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Rare Photos of Hitler Published

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posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 03:25 AM

Originally posted by jd140

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by Wachstum
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor

Think as you wish, but don't run around stating that Hitler was a wise man cause he had some great plan for worldpeace

Well I never stated that. Yeah but anyway...

I don't anyone stated what he suggested. He has been reduced to putting words in peoples mouths and stating "so what".

He indicates he is from Germany. And you know how much guilt that is instilled in them for that era. What is "funny" is that all groups of people have committed massacres at some point in time, yet Germans are seen as the only ones that have ever done something to that degree. I mean...most people probably don't know the extent of what Japan did during WW2 which was equal to what Germany did. But do you think Japanese kids are taught to hate themselves? No, they still visit the war memorials of generals who had Chinese villagers raped, murdered and experimented on.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 03:26 AM
reply to post by Wachstum

Nobody is defending him. I merely pointed out that you said that those who suffer mental disabilities is less evil then the one who is clear minded. Hitler was suffering from a mental disability so he would fall into you less evil category.

A person can be brilliant and insane at the same time. Hitler just so happens to be one of those people.

What he did was horrendous, that would be the insane part, but the way he went about doing it is the brilliant part. He convinced an entire nation to follow him. He convinced them that those who had jewish blood were impure even though it was well documented that he had jewish blood in his veins.

If you want to bring terroists into this then I might add that I think Bin Laden is also a brilliant man, but he is also evil.

There is nothing wrong with admiring the genius of those that do evil deeds.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 03:27 AM

Originally posted by Wachstum
reply to post by jd140

You are a bunch of funny guys who argue for hitler's genius, hitler's insanity, hitler's syphillis etc. but fail to see that theis syphillismadmangenius is responsible for one of the biggest crimes etc etc.

Come to your senses. You can never paint the crimes in any other light than pitch black. That's my only point, whether he had syphillis or not.

You may say, ah, there is more to it than that. Well, next time think about that, when you flame a guy who dares to defend some suicide bombers...

edit: Sure he was insane. So what? Nevertheless he is responsible

[edit on 7-6-2009 by Wachstum]

No one here is condoning Hitler's murders. If we did, I do not think we would be on ATS right now trying to inform people about the similar actions the elitists are currently trying to take on the U.S. citizens.

BTW: One can argue for his genius and yet still despise his methods. I personally do not argue this, but rather I am stating what others can do.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 03:41 AM
reply to post by Wachstum

Please dissuade yourself from bringing any type of religion oriented places into the argument. Since everyone does not believe in an "eternal damnation"
I.e. Hell, I do not think it to be fair to use that kind of argument.

This is rather presumptuous of me, but if you would like to go the way of "divine judgment", an infinite being could easily see that if one suffers from a mental disease that inhibits "moral/ethical" decisions, then it is not fair to punish that person with the same punishment as someone who was mentally healthy.

Although, we could argue that if God is able to see the future (since he is infinite), then why would God create someone who would eventually be put into eternal damnation?

[edit on 7-6-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 04:23 AM
At least i see where the problem of our communication lies: Me, i have a totally different definition of the term "Genius". Let me elaborate: Since Kant and Goethe, we, the germans, think of genius as

"Genius is the inborn predisposition of the mind (inge- nium) through which nature gives the rule to art"

Genius flows out of a deep feeling for the nature and the unbreakable rules, that govern everything, from the symmetrical flower to the just democracy. Genius allows the deep feeling human the construction of a meta-reality, a world, in which harmony and beauty governs everything.
Beautiful, eh?

Now i don't think that hitler had very much of a genius. Instead, what you call genius, the demagogic abillities and the clever tactical decisions, the cruelty with which he served his delusions of grandeur...

You know, this sh!t seems to me a sign of a mentally confused population. That includes the japanese population and the italians to different degrees.

If you really take the time to meditate, or at least think deeply about the visions i tried to paint in my first post, you will understand, that these cruelties can hardly be committed by some sane minds. Actually, there are psychological studies that allege Hitler, Goebbels and the german population some complex psychic disorders.

Erich Fromm, Wiki:

Fromm believed that freedom was an aspect of human nature that we either embrace or escape. He observed that embracing our freedom of will was healthy, whereas escaping freedom through the use of escape mechanisms was the root of psychological conflicts. Three main escape mechanisms that Fromm outlined are automaton conformity, authoritarianism, and destructiveness. Automaton conformity is changing one's ideal self to what is perceived as the preferred type of personality of society, losing one's true self. The use of automaton conformity displaces the burden of choice from the self to society. Authoritarianism is allowing oneself to be controlled by another. This removes the freedom of choice almost entirely by submitting that freedom to someone else. Lastly, destructiveness is any process which attempts to eliminate others or the world as a whole to escape freedom. Fromm said that "the destruction of the world is the last, almost desperate attempt to save myself from being crushed by it"

That's it, basically.

By the way, i mentioned hell kind of proverbial, not as a physical reality.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by Wachstum]

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 04:34 AM
What is interesting to me is the fact that Hitler would have amounted to nothing had there not been a gullible population susceptible to his means and thus willing to support him.

Bush would not have been able to nearly start Armageddon in the Middle East without a gullible and susceptible population of Americans willing to support him.

Where's the difference? Whose macabre agenda are we blindly supporting at this moment? Is it some crazy intelligent guy, or a savvy group of business men in black suits driving expensive sports cars?

Do any of us have our eyes open? Are we silently going along with the agenda? Will future historians point their fingers at us?

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 05:38 AM
reply to post by Wachstum

Wachstum, a person who has read the Bible knows this, The Jews were always prosperous and victorious as long as they were obedient and worshipped their Lord God and whenever they did not obey him terrible things happened to them. There are so many incidents of it portrayed in the Bible like how they won over the surrounding nations when they listened to their God and how the surrounding nations were permitted by their God to destroy them when they dis obeyed their Lord God. This is just the same as that. Its their own God who permitted this to happen for something wrong that they did. Think about it in these terms...Nebuchadenezar The Great, Cyrus The Great, Alexander The Great, Ceaser. All people from different nations who conquered the jews because God permitted it to happen other wise how could it happen to God's chosen people. Hitler fits the above category.
Hitler was christian, how could he do something like that to the people who are his own ancestors or why no investigation was ever taken place to the crime believed by many to be the greatest...?

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 05:58 AM
I agree with many others so far in this thread.

The mans actions and beliefs were atrocious and were more than enough to warrant his death. If the world was lucky he would have taken a bullet in the first putsch. But no, the guy next to him did.

However, the sheer might of the German machine under Hitler is unquestionable. Look at the technological edge they possessed, and the sheer fanaticism of their elite troops.

Some of the experimental weapons created under Hitler were decades before their time. The Me262 (A jet fighter in the 40's!) and others were amazing.

Their heavy tanks were unmatched, their weapons were superior in every way (compare the MP44 with today's AK47... very similar... and it was made 20 years before).

So yes, he was a B*****d that deserved a far more humiliating and public death than he ended up with, but the power he gave Germany was incredible.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 07:00 AM

Originally posted by whatukno
Ah Hitler, the poster child for abortion.
I don't care how much of a Genus the man was, he was a homicidal genocidal madman that should have been put down like a dog before he breached his mothers womb.

The only thing Hitler has done for this world is point out what NOT to do.

You're absolutely right. Unfortunately sometimes we need a terrible lesson before we can understand how and where we went wrong.

His actions are unforgivable, but at least we learned somthing about the nature of mankind.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 07:07 AM
Hmm... ok my thoughts

When a psychopath kills it is normally an orgy of insanity... the brain of a psychopath is not functioning correctly... they slash and hack indiscriminately and normally work alone or in very small groups.

What Hitler did was mechanise/industrialise the mass murder of a race of people. He, and his generals, made mass murder almost palatable. They didn’t charge through villages with lit touches raping and pillaging. They calmly loaded million on to trains and moved them to concentration camps where they would be gassed... Out of sight out of mind.

The logistics and organisation behind this atrocity was unprecedented.

in my mind, what makes Hitler "ONE" of the most evil men to walk the planet, is not how dirty he got his hands... it’s how clean he kept them. He persuaded so many others to all do their little bit towards a great evil.
With regards to Hitler being insane due to Syphilis... that is speculation and i have seen no solid evidence to back it up.
This is not to say that if someone is insane they can’t do evil things, of course they can, there is just something that makes me shudder when i think of a collective group of people (some sane, maybe some not) all calmly carrying out atrocities as if it’s a normal day at the office.

Hitler, Manipulator of millions, Murderer of Millions.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 07:07 AM

Originally posted by Djdoubt03

...who else after 5 or 6 decades could have groups still dedicated to his failed beliefs?


Sorry, had to do it...

Yeah, Hitler was an evil s.o.b, but if everyone just forgot about him then there's always the chance someone else with similar ideas could be allowed to incite hatred and lead us down another very dark path.

Lest we forget and all that...

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 07:16 AM
reply to post by sotp


Isn’t that the way religious hatred starts? Not very funny when you consider how many Christians have been killed for their beliefs.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 08:18 AM
Hitler had some the necessary attributes that ALL leaders need.

He was a great orator.
He had the ability to recognise able people and put them in positions that suited their abilities, Albert Speer being one example, he turned around an economy that was on it's knees.
He was in the right place at the right time and was thus able to exploit a series of vents for his good.

Unfortunately for Hitler he began to believe his own propoganda and thought he was a military genius taking control of military decisions instead of leaving it to professional soldiers.
The invasion of Russia sealed his fate.

Hitler was also a man ravaged with his own inner demons; his failure as an artist, the suicide of his niece Geli, Germany's loss in WWI, his possible repressed homosexuality.

His inability to accept any responsibility or blame for his part in any of these and his extreme reaction to them displays classic signs of acute psychosis.
This was aggravated by the stress of the leadership during war, and the onset of either one or both of Parkinson's Disease and Syphillis.
It has been suggested that Hitler was also a regular user of methamphetamine.

The atrocities commited in Hitler's name are inexcusable.
Any doubt that The Holocaust occurred is errant.
I have been to Auschwitz.
That it has been exploited to further a pro-Israeli agenda I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
But that does not detract from the absolute evilness that occurred.

But Hitler was not the first, or the last, to commit these type of acts.
History is littered with such appaling events.
The lesson that should be learnt is that we fail to learn anything from history.
Tyrants and despots of any shape or form should be resisted at all costs.

The biggest threat we face today comes from religous despots, not political one's.

Somewhere I have a book of colour only phot's of Hitler, I'll try to dig it out.
It proved invaluable to me when I was first trying to understand the attraction of Hitler to the general German masses.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 11:38 AM
I think the fascination with Hitler is that he is so recent that we have the "what if" factor. As much of a homicidal maniac as he was, he still somehow maintained a very efficient government. He started VW, invented the Autoban, had the most powerful military on earth, the finest medical advancements in modern history under his reign, the finest scientists and engineers, the best educational system on the planet (in terms of indoctrination and discipline...not saying what they taught was 100% correct). Sometimes I wonder, had he not been such a tremendous murderer would the world be a more efficient. When we think of leaders like him in modern terms we laugh, Kim Jun Ill, Saddam Hussein, Achminijad...but Hitler had the power of the modern U.S., and was respected even by his critics. Hitler somehow still has a mystique about him, such an interesting character that seems so perfect yet had so many problems. Also anything from the 1920s to the 1950s for some reason seems like an almost magic part of human history...think about all that was crammed into those years.

Just for collector's purposes, I would love to have a Hitler Youth knife, and various other Nazi swag. I don't think I'd ever buy it, I wouldn't want to end up on a watch list, but I find the period so interesting. I'm a die hard capitalist, and find that socialism is economically inefficient; but Hitler I think to even people who won't admit it in our governments, makes socialism somehow seem likely to work...even though History says otherwise.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by yellowcard]

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Wachstum - If you really take the time to meditate, or at least think deeply about the visions i tried to paint in my first post, you will understand, that these cruelties can hardly be committed by some sane minds. Actually, there are psychological studies that allege Hitler, Goebbels and the german population some complex psychic disorders.

Such deeds are be committed by people with sane minds, in some respects, the saner the better. Hitler obeyed his own interpretation of the laws of nature, namely, the right of the strong to rule over the weak. In his view, Aryan blood was manifest within Germany but the strong natural leaders were compromised by a Jewish conspiracy to undermine that society - a role enacted by the "untermenschen" in a number of racial and physical guises.

He most famously applied his view to the Jews and the East, but, interestingly he also applied it to the German people during the fall of Berlin. His "natural" view was that if the Germans were not strong enough to decide their fate via subjugation of the untermenschen then the German people were not worthy to continue. His orders to destroy the infrastructure of Germany (ignored by Albert Speer) were as much a punishment of the German people as a scorched Earth policy against the invading armies.

He saw no point in Germany as the pinnacle of the Aryan nation, continuing if the war was lost; basically, Germany would not deserve survival!

A sane mind is a haven for the ultimate objectivity required to follow through with a principle that is applied with such rigour. It is not useful to suggest that such thoughts are the workings of a mad-man. Fascism was (and is) an attempt to objectify social policies to a classified hierarchy of society - this is no different to capitalism or communism.

The key differences between Fascism and the others is the notion of "worth" and of an inherent compatibility between those social classes deemed as acceptable, as opposed to the worth of their function in society. As an example, this implicitly supports the use of forced labour by undesirables as a pragmatic process but the labourers can never redeem themselves since they are inherently classified as socially unacceptable.

In the "ideal" version of capitalism and communism the worker is to be lauded for the labour that is performed regardless of the nature of their inherited social standing.

Either way, sanity is no barrier to the objectivity of the mind and with it, the ability to create such heinous social systems.

** BTW, It is worth remembering that scientific racialism was advocated by an American, Lothrop Stoddard, who actually introduced the term "under man" as a way of classifying "the man who measures under the standards of capacity and adaptability imposed by the social order in which he lives."

Stoddard believed social progress was impossible unless it was guided by a "neo-aristocracy" made up of the most capable individuals and reconciled with the findings of science rather than based on abstract idealism and egalitarianism. One might regard this as indicative of sanity but look where it led...

Just as an example, this point of view may be creeping back

[edit on 7-6-2009 by SugarCube]

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 01:16 PM
reply to post by jd140

I do not want to say that there were no very evil people with "documented Jewish blood", there certainly were. But Hitler is not one of them. At least if by "documented" one means real hard facts and not speculations about his grand-grand-mother work place.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Djdoubt03

My opinion is he was a Genocidal Madman and a genius. Who else using the power of speech could have a whole country going for the "final solution", who else after 5 or 6 decades could have groups sill dedicated to his failed beliefs?

Are you kidding me? The "Final Solution" was a top-secret decision made by only a few who attended the meeting at Wansee near Berlin. Or do you think that Hitler turned to the nation to seek approval, like the US presidents do when there are difficulties with the Congress?

Btw, Hitler never signed anything; he just indicated to "take care of things" and Himmler with Heydrich pretty much understood what to do. It wasn't that easy, coz there were legal problems, but Heydrich made it clear to the opposition from the judicial side that even the laws enacted by the Nazis would have to be disregarded.

You know, folks are not that impressed by Hitler himself; it's the number of dead he left behind. But I think that the billions of dollars flying around the news today somewhat dwarf the number of killed during the time Hitler was in power, so Adolf may not be a big deal anymore, as you feel so.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Djdoubt03
Who else using the power of speech could have a whole country going for the "final solution

This reminds me of how so many are blindly following Obama, their self proclaimed Messiah. The similarities are striking when you consider all the fainting at speeches and praising him for his policy speeches which will only make them more dependent on government, hence control over them.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 03:02 PM
History has been so whitewashed in regards to World War I and World War II and well pretty much everything since 1776 on up to today in my humble opinion.

Who financed Hitler’s rise to power? For the most part it was pro Zionist American businessmen like Rockefeller, Morgan, DuPont, Mellon, Harriman and Bush.

They saw fascism as a model example of efficiency. What is fascism? It’s a corporate State, run by and for corporations, for the sake of efficiency and productivity.

Who put the Blitz in Blitzkrieg? General Motors with its lighting fast and efficient general purpose truck that was named the Blitz. Well that’s not entirely true at the time GMC which still stands for the Grabowski Motor Company was owned by two American Polish immigrant brothers named Max and Morris Grabowski whose company manufactured the Blitz and later sold the company to General Motors.

I wonder how the Polish Max and Morris felt when their truck was responsible for coining the name Blitzkrieg when it was their use against the people of Poland that led to that term.

Did Hitler persecute the Jews out of some obsessive prejudice or hatred or was it out of political machinations carried out by Germany’s Jewry regarding World War I in the aftermath of the Balfour agreement and a crushing peace treaty whose financial terms were so punitive and were negotiated on the part of Germany by the Reichsbank’s Max Warburg and the Federal Reserve’s Paul Warburg, who cares if they were biological brothers, or that the United States got stiffed on what England and France owed us in lend/lease in the process that led to the United States Bankruptcy and the Corporate American State and that it was all negotiated at the Palace of Versailles that just happened to be owned by the Lord Rothschild that the Balfour Declaration was personally addressed to from a then militarily defeated and bankrupt Great Brittan promising Palestine to the Jews and Zionists of the world even though they were out of bullets, money, their main allies the French were in near mutiny and the Ottoman Turks held on to Palestine and the British couldn’t even budge them in Gallipoli let alone the Germans after three long years of constant trench warfare in France.

Or did Hitler actually do former Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill and Lord Rothschild who bitterly complained in letters to one another about the slow pace of immigration by Jews and Zionists into Palestine and their poor quality a big favor by making a provincial dessert cultureless and relatively primitive backwater like Palestine seem like an awful desirable place?

Hitler did Hitler’s job, plain and simple, he was set up from the word go just like Barack Obama has been set up from the word go.

When on earth are people going to wake up that over 50 million people died in World War II, and the majority of them weren’t Jewish and stop listening to Jewish propaganda about World War I, World War II, Palestine and the state of affairs in the Middle East and terrorism and what really causes it?

The Bible isn’t a religion it’s a plan, it’s a plan to take over the world and indoctrinate the world to it before hand.

Hitler will be rehabilitated before all is said and done, not because the Jews of the world represent some evil scourge, but because the plan calls for the world turning against Israel right before the inception of a one world government.

Wake up people, get some real history from Newspaper archives, and people who were there, while there are still some people who were there left.

World War III is upon us, and just like Terminator I was followed by Terminator II and Terminator III, it’s all the same story, with the same goal, geared towards the same conclusion.

The United States of America fell completely and totally in 1949 to the international business cartel and no one not even Kennedy was able to rescue it.

They set Hitler up just the way we have been set up.

We need to take America back, restore the constitution and avoid anyone’s foolish religious and nationalistic propaganda to have any shot at it.

There is always a Puppet Master behind the throne, Hitler wasn’t the problem.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 04:15 PM
reply to post by Djdoubt03

Even after this new release, many of Jaeger's rare color photographs have yet to be published.

Gee, I wonder what prevented the pics to be published earlier. Maybe some of the images contradict the historical accounts written by the winners.

Think PhotoShop.
There you go . . .

[edit on 6/7/2009 by stander]

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