Ronald Reagan: Worst President Ever?

reply to post by dooper

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Once again, dead on Dooper. Woodrow Wilson is the worst we've had and since Grover seems to lack this bit of history(establishment of the Fed and the Federal Income Tax), I really pay no attention his posts because it appears to me as factless political trolling. No history, no knowledge, no substance.

Sorry Grover, you're barkin' up the wrong tree.

Presidents always inherit things from their predecessors. Obama is inheriting Bushes problems to be sure. The real question should be, did a President solve the problems he inherited and leave less problems on the table?

Very few Presidents seem to leave office with a good economy going behind them. Sure at reelection they manage to do that, but not after they serve their two terms lately. Both Clinton and Bush left recessions looming, Reagan was the exception to that in modern history.

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The rest of the article- Reagan war crimes

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Recently, a statue of Reagan was unveiled by Obama with a fair amount of fanfare. I think this stuck in the craw of a lot of left wingers. They can't abide the fact that conservatives AND some non-conservatives give him (Reagan) a lot of credit and respect. (although, the liberals that do, do it begrudgingly)

Liberals just can't stand any conservative being given credit for ANYTHING.
So, now the "campaign to tear down Reagan" has begun here and other places on the internet. I've noticed several articles/blogs like this in the last few days. I guess that they all got their "talking points" via twitter or their secret decoder rings from the DNC elite. lol

Was he perfect? No, no president is or can ever be perfect. But, he was damn sure better than any other president in the last 30 years or so.

The worst President? Yep, it was Carter.

And that's something I find really odd - just how very conservative the members of ATS are....in general. I'm very interested in UFO's and a number of conspiracies being discussed on ATS but I really wonder why so many conservatives are drawn to this site. I believe the attraction is fear. If anything conservatives have shown themselves to be motivated by fear and foster it and create it where it furthers their political agendas.

I really truly did not want to get drawn into the politics at this site but there appears to be an overwhelming number of conservatives and political operatives at work here though I think some people, you included are starting to speak up effectively against all of this foolishness.

I knew in 1980 that the middle class of the USA was going to ultimately bite the dust and I believe trickle down economics has done the job.

reply to post by pavil

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No. I think that the Soviet Union would have fallen around the the same time it did if we'd had 8 years of Carter followed by Mondale... It delt itself the death blow when it invaded Afghanistan.

If it hadn't it may have lasted a few years longer but even during the 60's the cracks were showing and and by the 70's it was obvious.

reply to post by Oldnslo

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Since historically speaking conservatism is the losing gambit in history who is barking up the wrong tree?

reply to post by grover

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To each their own I guess. So Reagan's pressure on an already shaky Soviet Union had no effect on it? I find that hard to believe, when even former Soviets admit that he played a part in hastening the fall.

reply to post by pavil

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I didn't say that... I said that it would have fallen on its own without Reagan... but did his pressure on it help... possibly but in my humble opinion Gorbechov's changes had a far greater impact... it opened the door for the expression of discontent and once people started expressing that, it was just a matter of time.

Oh, you're just being emotional, again.
But if you want to compare and see who shot up the debt, lets do it:



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reply to post by grover

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Boy, it must be really hard for you to admit that Reagan helped speed the fall of the Soviet Union. You seem loathe to give him credit for that. That's ok, I won't tell anyone.......

reply to post by pavil

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It has nothing to do with loathing Reagan... I just believe the Soviet Union would have fallen regardless... his policies may have hastened its fall but not by much. They may have survived into the 90's perhaps but they would have still fallen long before now. Their system was simply too rigid. I honestly believe that the Afghan invasion sealed its fate and Gorby's internal policies were just as critical.

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We'll just have to see whose barking up the wrong tree. There are more conservative's in this country than you might think. Obama's STEALING of the people's life long earnings and savings will convert many more to a more conservatism outlook. Everything is cyclical and what goes around comes around!!

For your own sake, read up on the Wilson administration and what was done to the American people, and also look for anything on his thoughts prior to his death. He knew he had betrayed those that elected him - The American people. Many historians believe his remorse hastened his death. At least the SOB went to his grave knowning he was used as a tool by TPTB and he had @$*%*# the American people, big time.

Justice.

I hope he rotted in Hell!

Grover, Reagan was a saint compaired to the ex-president of Princeton - Woodrow Wilson.

(You say Iran/Contra was Reagan's, but it was a GHWB/CIA operation, by the way, and it got hung on RR. The Bush family did as it please no matter what any President wanted back to the days of R. Milhaus Nixon-- Nixon tapes - and possibly to the JFK administration). Ollie worked for GHWB

As I said before, you're a little short on history.

Compared to Reagan, Omama looks like a college kid short on experience when he speaks. He couldn't talk me out of a piece of gum. Ahh, um, um, um, ahh. I would think he would have a better comand of the English language, at least be a decent speaker, with an ability to think on his feet. I guess that's asking too much these days.

Grover, you shovelled %&#* on Bush for the way he spoke, but BO and his wife are at a loss without a prepared speech on a teleprompter. Without one, they are at a loss for words ......... In my book, the nod goes to Bush, not the guy in the empty suit.

Reagan doesn't hold a candle to the likes of good ole Woodrow Wilson, the man that let the US and Internation Bankers begin their takeover of the America banking system.. What we are witnessing now is the beginning of the "end-game" of what began in 1913, the complete takeover of the US by the Internation Banking Cartel.

All this lost in one generation of Americans. What a shame.

And you don't know this, Grover?? Shame on you oh great oricle of knowledge.



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