Ronald Reagan: Worst President Ever?

Ronald Reagan: Worst President Ever?

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[edit on 6-6-2009 by grover]

I was never enamored with Reagan or his portrayal of a President.

He was great if you were a rich white male or wanted to be... and by playing off of the lower classes desire to be upper class... is how he got to the oval office.

But if you were poor, a minority, a woman, had AIDS or were somehow part of the margins of society, he couldn't care less.

His promises to reign in government was totally hollow and we had a larger government and a bigger deficit than we did when he entered office...

Still I wouldn't call him the worst president but he was the first of what has become an ugly mantra of the current political situation in our nation...

He was the first partisan president as opposed to a national president... by that I mean that he was the first for whom someone could say depending on their political leanings that he's my president or he's not my president as opposed to our president regardless of party...

An ugly fact that has carried through since with both Bushes, Clinton and now Obama.

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[edit on 6-6-2009 by grover]

WRONG the starting point for everything goin to SH*T in this country was FDR's decision to borrow from the future to get out of the depression. Well guess what? THAT future is NOW, and payment is DUE...

[edit on 6-6-2009 by mostlyspoons]

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We've had several balanced budgets since FDR including the one Clinton left bush minor... but even with that you are wrong because the government has been running periodic deficits since the beginning of the nation.

The irreversible decline in the United States was entirely due to changes made under the Wilson presidency.

It's been one turd after another - some are just larger than others.

In case you didn't notice I actually disagreed with the article.

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Part of the reason we got such huge deficits under Reagan was because ever since Nixon abolished the Gold Standard we could print money how ever much we liked and it just kept growing and growing ever since. Also the 80's is where America started to focus on consumerism more and outsourcing. You can't solely blame that on Reagan, sure he gets way too much credit amongst conservatives, but he probably was one of the better republicans this country has had in a long long long time.

You can't nesisarily pin point where America had a lot of it's problems, heck this country was born with problems, but financially you can see them start with Woodrow Wilson then to Herbert Hoover and FDR, then to Lyndon Johnson & Nixon (to name the biggies).

In a word ...yes.
GWBush comes in a close second.
They both have destroyed the dream of the United States and the rights of man.
Way to go Gipper!

As far as I am concerned Reagan's biggest fault is that he really had no serious grasp on the issues that confronted him. He was hired to portray a president which he did faultlessly but all the strings were being pulled by the men behind the curtain... in many ways the same could be said for bush minor...

That is in essence the biggest differences between Reagan and bush minor... and Bush senior, Clinton and Obama... They had/have substance while RR and jr. were all show.

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Reagan did so many awful things to the US. But he started and was able to hide the borrow and spend policies of the Right and couch this policy in patriotism. Ugghhhh



He made dumb ass Americans feel good about their stupidity! What a dangerous man he was. A dagger into the heart of our republic!

Obama . . . substance?



Soory. There is no substance with Obama.

I whole heartily disagree. Reagan was very aware of the "big picture", which in his case, was the fall of the Soviet Empire. He knew that the Soviets could barely keep their country going and that the arms race was a way to bankrupt them into collapse and then into serious negoatiations.

Take a look at at all his unpopular stances ie (Reykjavík, Medium Range missiles in Europe, Star Wars) and his risky decisions (supporting Solidarity, Afghanistan). They were all targeting his major goal, the defeat of the Soviet Union. It wasn't happenstance, it was a grand design. Reagan knew what outcome he wanted and worked towards that goal. Each one of those decisions were his. To claim otherwise is to be disingenuous. You may not like the man but you have to admit his Presidency changed the world more than any President since.

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The Soviet Union was DOA before Reagan was elected.
That is a simple fact. 2nd line.

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Right after the fall of the Soviet Union it actually came out that the CIA and the American intelligence agency was surprised at how fragile they were so no you are wrong... all during the 70's and 80's we thought they were actually stronger than they were.

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Huh? The Soviets and their proxies were expanding their sphere of influence in Carter's four years just prior to Reagan. Without Reagan's initiatives, the Soviet Union would have lasted far longer then it did.

I Fully Agree...WE are still paying off his debt because our Government thinks it's a bright idea to KEEP borrowing

Reagan was not a good president, despite the major drive the immortalize the man back in the late 90s. He tripled the debt Carter left, he lowered taxes but in place of that towards the end of his presidency other taxes such as welfare taxes and certain product taxes increased.... Reagan also raised corporate taxes by $120 billion in total. The number of workers on the federal payroll rose by 61,000 under Reagan, compared to a decrease in over 300,000 under Clinton. He also agreed to $165 billion bail out of social security.

There was a short boom during the 80s under Reagan that many conservatives continue to reference, however this was an artificial boom, that would suffer the consequences for time to come. What this boom left was a nation triple in the amount of debt, more folks depending of "socialist" programmes than the previous administration and another rightwing presidency to once again double that debt.

I'll say this time and time again. Reagan played the part of president well. He was an actor nevertheless.

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Everything Panned out exactly the way our Government wanted it too...

seems as though he should of known this before he did it..I wonder why No one tried to stop him? hhmm

Strapping on my asbestos Undies. I'm going to get flamed. But So What.
The problem with that opinion is that some tend to forget who voted him in and then who reelected him.

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I say what good is a balanced budget if we all went up in a Nuclear Holocaust.

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