Can Obama be Stopped in 2012?

reply to post by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
But that is not happening at the present moment. Without getting into the causality argument because it is too soon for it, current economic indicators are showing a glimmer of hope for the forseable future.

Like what? Like unemployment numbers exceeding predictions?

Unemployment rate jumps to 9.4 percent

Plus I think a great part of the American public welcomes a more cerebral and considered approach to world affairs than the saber rattling of the last eight years.

Right...our latest response to NK was 'cerebral'.@::@ You gotta love that threat of a UN resolution.

And inviting Iranian diplomats over for hotdogs was the stroke of a Mensa master.

As long as the Republican party is led by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Gingrich, and those of their ilk, it ain't going nowhere.

Not a single one of those is an elected official or an official leader of the Republican party.

You can only fear monger, incite, and divide for so long before people stop taking you seriously and see you as a mere caricature of yourself.

Fear mongering? As in, "We must pass this TARP bill or else we will face catastrophe!" ?

and it was. Jso.... Whatever was just saying how McCain didnt allow the use of Obama's middle name. Oh yeah that is excellent ammunition against him. Clearly what the original poster is trying to say is that we need to put MORE fear into peoples hearts by using name association. I'm normally a peaceful person and ones beliefs is there own and i could give two *snip* what you believe. Your belief is your own and it should be kept that way. The Anti-Obamas (what ill call you until i can think of a better name, Extreme Right Wings just doesnt work) seem that the only way they can win is to scare people into their arms. Why the *snip* would you think this is a good idea. I believe the term is ....Oh what was that word oh yeah TERRORISTS. There we go right wing terrorists are trying to scare people by using name associations and such to scare a group of frightened irrational people. A friend of mine who said "I hate Obama. I just hate that man" tried to argue his reasoning behind it to me but in the end he was ill informed. He suggested that Obama was taking away our gun rights. NOT happening. Fully automatic Assualt rifles yeah. Who the *snip* needs a weapon that can shoot 900 rounds a min. the average citizen? For what Zombies, Aliens, Osama bin Laden. I can only ever take what right wing terrorists say with little consideration because everytime i look into the hate they're spouting the information is either incorrect, taken out of context or a complete fabrication. For the people who follow these hateful leaders ie.. Rush Limbaugh, Fox and many others please make sure your getting the whole story before throwing handfuls of *snip* at each other. I'm just sick of having to listen to ill-informed people taking stories they hear from people who have some sort of vendetta and taking it as truth and then spreading a hateful message. ]

PS A note to the Author of Thread....
Ronald Wilson Reagan
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Beware of the beast whos name is 666

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Originally posted by jsobecky

Fear mongering? As in, "We must pass this TARP bill or else we will face catastrophe!" ?

Exactly.

The authority of the United States Department of the Treasury to establish and manage TARP under a newly created Office of Financial Stability became law October 3, 2008, the result of an initial proposal that ultimately was passed by Congress as H.R. 1424, enacting the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 and several other acts.

On October 14, 2008, Secretary of the Treasury Paulson and President Bush separately announced revisions in the TARP program.

wiki

However, like I said in my post, I assigned causality to neither the Bush or Obama administration.

My point, and take it as you will, is that as it stands the GOP seems to be mostly led by those as you said, that are not the actual elected representatives of the people. Heck half of said representatives are afraid to contradict their own pundits and cower to them apologetically.

It's all the same to me quite frankly, I'm just sharing my opinion. Ignore it at your pleasure, but do not be surprised when the GOP get trounced again in the next elections.

The GOP needs real leaders with strong backbones and fresh ideas, and those ain't coming from misters Limbaugh and Hannity.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Barack Obama is riding high in the polls, despite some very bad-for-America decisions he has made. He has nationalized the auto industry and the banks.

As I recall back in September when those measures/bailouts were taken, Bush Jr was still in office. Under the Bush administration, it was decided which banks were going to make it and which banks were to be closed down (Lehman Brothers...) And lets not forget The Bush Administration Overpaid $78 Billion to Banks in Bail Out Not that I support Obama or what he stands for, there ain't much difference between the Dems or GOP for they are of the same filth, but to blame someone who wasn't even in office for all the wrongs that was done, is ridiculous

Originally posted by miss_silver

Originally posted by jsobecky
Barack Obama is riding high in the polls, despite some very bad-for-America decisions he has made. He has nationalized the auto industry and the banks.

As I recall back in September when those measures/bailouts were taken, Bush Jr was still in office. Under the Bush administration, it was decided which banks were going to make it and which banks were to be closed down (Lehman Brothers...) And lets not forget The Bush Administration Overpaid $78 Billion to Banks in Bail Out Not that I support Obama or what he stands for, there ain't much difference between the Dems or GOP for they are of the same filth, but to blame someone who wasn't even in office for all the wrongs that was done, is ridiculous

He should get the blame also. You fail to realize He was in the senate and voted for these same bail outs that everyone is so up in arms about. I don't know why bush gets so much of the blame especially since all he does is sign a piece of paper just like everyone else in congress and the senate. In my opinion any congressman or senator that votes on any unconstitutional piece of legislation deserves just as much blame as the next guy.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Can Obama be Stopped in 2012?

Yes ...

- if the press actually starts reporting the truth instead of propaganda.

- if the republicans put forth a viable candidate (McCain wasn't) such as Jindal or Crist.

- if the Swine Flu in the fall doesn't come back as a killer and so tea parties can take off and gather major support for third party candidates.

- if the people stop driniking the partisan koolaide and look at facts.

- if the people wake the hell up and demand REAL CHANGE - (which Obama, the dems, and the republicans have shown they can't, or won't, do)

- if the people vote according to what is best for America instead of rock star status, skin color, religion, gender, age, or tired old partisan mantras.

- if the people see the rotten fruit of Obama's socialist policies and see the destruction that they mean for our country. (but this can only happen if the press finally starts to tell the news instead of their agendas.)

- if the people see our open borders and see how both the republicans and democrats have left it wide open and therefore they finally vote in a third party administration that will do the will of the people and finally secure our borders.

- if the truth about Obama's numerous citizenships and name changes finally get widely reported and the fact that the American people were bamboozled by this lawyer-politician is properly reported.

- if Obama's racism and participation in the Black Liberation Theology Cult finally sinks in with Americans and is finally fully discussed for what it is. (again - the press would have to actually report the facts, which it's not doing).

- Ditto for Michelle's racism and participation ...

- if people wake up to the fact that all these socialist bailouts are really generational theft and that our children and grandchildren will be paying for them .. if there is a country left by then. (if people figure this out then ALL OF D.C. will be voted out and a third party landslide would happen.)

- if Hillary wants to be in office in 2012 she'll pull the plug on this guy (in a deadly way), and as Biden is named POTUS she'll be named V.P.

- if the Mayans are right and the world as we know it ends in 2012 through earth upheavels, comets impacting, fires, etc etc etc ...

- if Christ returns and separates the goats and the sheep ....

Just a few situations that could help Obama to be stopped in 2012

Originally posted by jkm1864



He should get the blame also. You fail to realize He was in the senate and voted for these same bail outs that everyone is so up in arms about. I don't know why bush gets so much of the blame especially since all he does is sign a piece of paper just like everyone else in congress and the senate.

All that was written was my opinion on the subject, truly wished you didn't turn it into a personal debate ~sigh~

In my opinion any congressman or senator that votes on any unconstitutional piece of legislation deserves just as much blame as the next guy.

Ah yes, the proverbial and fruitless ping pong blame game

As far as I am concerned, every single politician is to blame for a greater or lesser evil. Obama signed it and Bush Jr approved it... Match point? 1-1.

I couldn't care less that Obama is the president. Big Bird could be president and he would still be blamed for those bailouts as his own doing that Bush Jr left as a legacy before vacating the white house.



I could only hope that Bush Jr will be remembered as he truly is, a bumbling idiot who was reading along with an upside down book, a war time president who cannot figure out that the mission is not accomplished and as a jellyfish lacking the spinal cord to veto those insane bailouts.





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No, most of the damage is already done. Though there is a chance that the American people will vote in a huge change in power in the house and senate leaving the president somewhat of a lame duck for the last half of his term, but it is unlikely, and even if it happens the time between now and then will provide the extreme left a huge opportunity to push through even more damaging agendas.

The problem is there is no balance of power, and the people have gone from one extreme to another, each have done irreparable damage.

If America goes far right in the future it will again cause similar problems.

Sit back and enjoy the show, there really isn't anything else you can do about it for quite some time.

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its about time we kept redneck hill billies out of politics. Why dont you just go back to your stupid farms and your stinkin ass swamps

that was a good laugh, thank you. I keep thinking..... Hill Billies, as opposed to Mountain Billies.........

I think you exemplify the polarity that has stricken this nation. I don't mean that as an insult, just a point. There has always been those in favor of the administration-of-the-day, and those opposed, but it seems like the divisiion today is really sharp. It's like -- hate him or love him, and nothing in between.

Look. The U.S. has President Obama now. Win or loose next election, he is in an extremely pivotal and important position now. Perhaps the most important presidentcy in American history [or perhaps not].

I think the important question is........ is there anything we, the people can do to further the interests and concerns of the American people? I think the time for pissing and moaning should be over. We had enough of that for the past 8 years. That dog don't hunt no' mo'.

No, I seriously think that Obama is to charismatic. The Republican party is in shambles and will be for quite some time. The press, as cynical as it sounds, seems to really like Obama too. For some reason they just never get the important stories right. If they manage to report them at all. Obama is in tighter with the green scam artist folks, too. There is a lot of money floating around that area now. Even McCain couldn't resist trying to get some.

Obama will get many free passes, second chances, and 'looks the other way' because his presidency is such a "historic" one.

Originally posted by born2BWild
We could all take action, everyone here on ATS who would think Ron Paul would be a fit candidate could start a nationwide campaign?

Well we need to do something real soon.

The Republican party will probably split into two different party's with the lunatics who hate gays more then deficits in one camp and the sane and moderate Republicans in the other camp. Currently the Republican Party and most of its supporters have lost touched with the center right American electorate . This is why the Republican party is not yet ready to embrace a candidate that is capable of winning back the White House .

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by jsobecky
Can Obama be Stopped in 2012?

Yes ...

- if the press actually starts reporting the truth instead of propaganda.

- if the republicans put forth a viable candidate (McCain wasn't) such as Jindal or Crist.

It's your lucky day: the CFR seems to like Jindal.

As for Obama's odds at re-election, history gives us a straightforward answer: if the economy is better in his fourth year, he'll win. If the economy is worse (or still lousy) in his fourth year, he'll lose. Voters make their selection largely based on the economy, and they mostly disregard the first three years in office.

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Originally posted by miss_silver
Under the Bush administration, it was decided which banks were going to make it and which banks were to be closed down (Lehman Brothers...) And lets not forget The Bush Administration Overpaid $78 Billion to Banks in Bail Out Not that I support Obama or what he stands for, there ain't much difference between the Dems or GOP for they are of the same filth, but to blame someone who wasn't even in office for all the wrongs that was done, is ridiculous

Yes, absolutely.
I hope that one day Politics stop beeing like football teams.

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Originally posted by SchefSalad
and it was. Jso.... Whatever was just saying how McCain didnt allow the use of Obama's middle name. Oh yeah that is excellent ammunition against him. Clearly what the original poster is trying to say is that we need to put MORE fear into peoples hearts by using name association.

As much as your post is disjointed and all over the place, I will try to respond to it.

You are missing the McCain point entirely. He was too soft and too much 'reach across the aisle' to run for president. All the while, Obama's staff tried to destroy a very successful governor from Alaska by slandering her family. And McCain and the MSM in Obama's back pocket just stood by and watched it happen.

He was not tough enough to run for POTUS.

But all you could take away from my post was 'instill fear by name association'. I think that speaks more to your own fears than anything else. The '666' reference says it all, imo.

Obama sycophants refuse to see the blunders he commits on a daily basis.

To SD:

Obama has gone above and beyond what Bush did with TARP. Bush argued that TARP was meant for financial institutions, not automakers. Obama flaunted the laws and destroyed GM and Chrysler. No president should have the power to fire the CEO of GM or any other company. Obama has parlayed the original $700 billion of TARP into trillions, which we will pick up the tab for. He paid back his union contributors by handing GM to them on a silver platter.

He is a shyster and a crook. My opinion of him has not changed one whit since the first time I saw him.

Stop Obama? Require a birth certificate when he registers for the election. To spend large amounts of money fighting the lawsuits over the matter when a copy of a valid birth certificate would have ended it right there means he is hiding something.

I think no matter how things work out he is only a one term prez. The Weimar republic level inflation we will be having in a year or 2 should end that.

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you obviously dont listen to any of these so called fear mongers, your description is in itself fear mongering, reading your post is like hearing pelosi or reid or some s@#* like that!! these people are not spewing rhetorical nonsense, but are calling it as they and MANY others see it. and they are NOT the leaders of the GOP,never claimed to be, but have the courage to say what others wont. obama has done this country wrong with a smug smile amidst his chops, and will continue to lie to the american citizens and the world so long as the MSM and TPTB have his back. we need to take our country BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We should just vote out all the incumbents.
At every level.

There's your change