2012 is a lie, and I can prove it, page 1
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Topic started on 6-6-2009 @ 01:22 PM by Amenti
A little while back I did a video called "2012 Debunked"
Part 1
www.youtube.com...
Part 2
www.youtube.com...

I totally cracked the 2012 disinfo code by presenting the peer reviewed research in that video, and so when I saw Michael Tsarion's presentation from his Origins and Oracles DVD about 2012 it was really easy to show that he either knows absolutely nothing about astronomy and physics, or he is deliberately lying.

I did a video called Michael Tsarion is Wrong and I was able to expand a little more deeply on why and how the 2012 thing will lay in to the NWO plan.
but more importantly I also dug deeper in showing that many of the 2012 theories are scientifically untenable

Please, if you get a chance watch it conspiracyclothes.com... Im not sure how much longer I can keep it online, Im not joking when I say that Tsarion, or someone that works for him spend a LOT of time surfing the internet writing false DMCA claims on this video, for more info on all that, watch this: www.youtube.com...
My personal site is now one of the only places you can see it, if you don't believe me, try uploading it to a video sharing site like youtube or dailymotion and see how long it takes till you get a notice that Tsarion has contacted them.
You can download a copy in mp4 format here:
www.conspiracyclothes.com...
Or in flv format (smaller file) here conspiracyclothes.com...

Ok, back to the matter at hand, if you see nothing else see the first debunking of 2012 for the details on how unscientific the 2012 theories are. and if you see the Michael Tsarion is wrong video you will see how the "elightenment" thing will be used. but again, whats important here is two fold the details about why many 2012 are not possible, even though they are always presented with a quasi scientific flare. the other part is a motive, why such a propaganda blitz..the answer is mind blowing.

I detail another aspect of this in a video that is debunking the IHC, or Institute for Human Continuity website (part of viral promotion for the 2012 movie) Since then Sony has made it obvious that it is a viral promotion on the website but this was not the case at first, they have changed other details as well. Anyway that isnt why you should watch it, In fact I will only link here part two of this video, where I go through how this can be used as a catalyst for literally everything the NWO has been trying to do for some time, this is a crucial part
www.youtube.com...

recapping to figure this all out it requires watching three videos

1.) 2012 debunked (for the proof that its bogus)
Part 1
www.youtube.com...
Part 2
www.youtube.com...

2.) Michael Tsarion is Wrong (for more proof and to develop how this disinfo will be used against us)
conspiracyclothes.com...

3.) Institute for Human Continuity Part 2 (deeper development of the motive for the propaganda)
www.youtube.com...

For notes on the proof that 2012 is a lie here are some notes:

References:
The Sun's motion perpendicular to the galactic plane
www.nature.com...

Earth's Inconstant Magnetic Field
www.nasa.gov...

The Planet X Saga: The Scientific Arguments in a Nutshell
www.badastronomy.com...

Response to Counterarguments Appendix 5 to Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 by John Major Jenkins
www.alignment2012.com...

Texas A&M Oceanographer Challenges Plate Tectonics As Reason For Poles' Shift
www.sciencedaily.com...

What is that pole shift thing?
www.dailycommonsense.com...

The Myth of a 12th Planet:
A Brief Analysis of Cylinder Seal VA 243
www.sitchiniswrong.com/VA243seal.pdf

precession of the equinoxes
www.answers.com...

Our Galactic Plane
hypography.com...

MEANING OF THE BALL GAME IN MAYAN MYTHOLOGY
www.siloam.net...

Great Celestial Conjunction Crosses
www.soulsofdistortion.nl...

The World Age cosmology of the Maya calendar end-date in A.D.2012 and its basis in a rare astronomical alignment of the solstice sun with the Milky Way Galaxy
www.grahamhancock.com...

Planetary Alignments: Fact or Fiction?
www.etsu.edu...

The Platonic Year & the
Maya Long Count: Fractal
www.earthmatrix.com...

Confused about 2012 (yes, another one!)
www.bautforum.com...

Planet X? Nope, an admitted hoax!
www.zetatalk.com...

positon on galactic plane
hypography.com...


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 02:04 PM by titorite
reply to post by SharkBait


This site has been called Above top Secret since 98. So I doubt they will change their name sharkbait. Whats more your saying you have debunked something that has not happened yet and as such does not exist yet...

Your taking credit for disproving something that can not be measured because we are not in the year 2012 yet. You can only debunk that which has some sort of tangible reality to refute. As 2012 has not come around yet their is nothing to refute.... You could disagree with the speculations about 2012 but not debunk them because it is 2009...


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 02:25 PM by SharkBait
reply to post by titorite



I did not mean the site -The subscribers to ATS, like you and me changing their screen names-short of a better word!



reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 02:36 PM by SharkBait
reply to post by titorite


We de-bunking the very evidence and content that they using as a reason for events to unfold in 2012.So far everything has just been sensationalized. A perfect example is right in the small video clip that someone posted. When they talk about an Alignment, but this really happens every year. They should have maybe just mentioned that in their little story. NO WHY it sensationalizes that story more.

WHY : TO sell books, make movies and do talk shows and get paid for it. The very guy that first mentioned this story said that Niberu was going to do this in either 2002 or 2004. can’t remember right now. Its ALL PURE B.S

By the way Nibiru is the name of a Mayan God !not a ROUGE planet or Dwarf or star or whatever.



reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 02:55 PM by dragonsmusic
I have told a handful of my friends that the mayans were extraordinary astronomers and amazing architects. The calendar is an algorhythm, is it not? Some incredibly bright mayans calculated a calendar out to the date of 2012. Then when they were about to go farther their mayan wives said something along the lines of "get away from those astronomer buddies of yours and come help me with this thing or that thing" seriously they had no reason to calculate it any further. They were done. Who is the best astronomer of today? Whoever he is he is only an astronomer. I'm not going to go around saying he is a prophet just because he is good at astronomy. So I think the 2012 thing is nothing other than a date. The end of the world is always predicted in every culture and in every age. I learned so much about astronomy from your film, and while I respect the time and effort you put into this piece I was shocked and appalled at what you said about the bible at the end of the second piece. What happened to that scientific thought process you had going there? You threw it out the freaking window. How can you claim that the bible has 100% accuracy in predicting the future? How can you expect to be taken seriously when you believe that? And do you know why it was illegal to have a bible for so many years? Better yet, do you know who made it illegal? Catholic church did. Why? To have power over the people. They convinced people that the church was the only pathway to god. It was to have control. They were not keeping some great secrets from the masses. Please make a film showing me all these so called prophecies of the bible coming true. Which ones? You fail to be anything other than vague when you get to that part.


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 03:21 PM by Ayrton






Anybody got any clue what is being hidden there, more or less discreet?

Got the coordinates from this video.
Youtube

[edit on 6-6-2009 by Ayrton]
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