Christians, it is your responsibility

Religion is nothing but a belief system, which drives man away from the natural world and into the world of HATE which YOU have clear displayed in your words which is VILE, CRUEL, UNNATURAL AND INHUMAN AND TOXIC TO THE PSYCHE OF MANKIND I guess Jesus supports that because you have shown the true face of your God and RELIGION. On top of that you also support the slaughter of mankind for your BELIEF system. Tell me how many innocent are you going to slaughter for you religiouse righteousness is your god not happy with all the murders that your religion caused under his name? Oh well psychopathic and fearmungering society has been classified: Fundamentalist christians.

BTW you need to wake up because time is ticking and your about to face your self soon, sorry jesus the fictional character cannot save you from yourself because he does not exist, christianity is a cult in nature its the solar cult, you pray to the Sun every Sunday.

Good Luck when you start feeling "heavy" you will know what I mean when hell breaks loose in your mind. Oh on more thing its INSANE not INSINE thats exactly whats going to happen

The message of Christ was also to stop sinning. Christ spoke of that many times.
Paul the Apostle who seen Jesus Christ said that the government doesn't wield the sword for nothing. When we are attacked we have to defend ourselves just like the Founding Father of America.




Where are you getting your info at?
There's nothing wrong with being obedient. There's nothing wrong with strict moral codes, I never heard of 'punishment of non-believers disguised as compassion (please elaborate more), there is nothing wrong with defending your family. Redemption comes through Christ not a moral structure.




You can't speak for Christians because I don't believe your one of them.
Which politicians are using Christian beliefs to push war? What beliefs are they using?



For me it doesn't matter who does wrong. I'll let them know.



You can question them all day long but the only impact will be to vote them out of office.
Who is vulnerable?
Try getting one person to talk to millions of Christians. I think that scope is way to big unless you have billions of dollars for TV ads, etc...



I do my little part by contacting my congress people.



That is ridiculous. You can't force a congress person to vote the way you want them to.



That's ridiculous also. You can't lump everyone in for what a few have done.



You have no idea what your talking about.



Read my replies above.

Thanks,
TT

Honestly, I can't say that that is empirically true. There are a lot of things that "feel good" or "seem true" that I don't "buy" into at all. I think that any search, particularly a spiritual one, that is not supported by self-research is foolhardy.

It has been my experience with "most" churchgoers that they tend to take what the pastor says at face value. They tend to be, at least in my estimation, way to willing to say, "Yeah, yeah, that must be right. After all, my priest, preacher or rabbi said it."

So shouldn't we change the definition of Religious Fundamentalism to mean ANYONE that follows a doctrine that is more strict or more in coherence with the written words of that religions scripture than the one that you yourself follow?


Example 1)
A Muslim who interprets the Koran to say that all women must completely cover up EVERY single part of their body including the eyes.

Example 2)
A Muslim who interprets the Koran to say that all women must completely cover up ALMOST every single part of their body BUT they can leave the face uncovered.

Example 3)
A Muslim who interprets the Koran to say that all women must completely cover up every single part of the body EXCEPT they do not have to wear a face veil OR a head scarf.

Example 4)
A Muslim who interprets the Koran to say that all women do NOT have to cover themselves up.



Comparing example 1 to example 2 would make 1 look like a fundamentalist and 2 look like a moderate.

Comparing Example 2 to example 3 would make 2 look like a fundamentalist and 3 look like a moderate.

Comparing example 3 to example 4 would make 3 look like a fundamentalist and 4 look like a moderate.

I think the term "Fundamentalist" itself is completely misconstrued.

Um perhaps it's because she isn't quite ready to be raped and burned just yet. Just a thought!

Just want to thank everyone for sharing your comments in this thread. You all have made a difference in adapting the views I stated in the OP. One of the reasons I love ATS is that if your serious about posting, all the flaws in your POV are challenged.

That's a good thing. Most of the new posts, though, are from people who do not have the time to read through the whole thread and see how the conversation has evolved. Since I don't want to rehash the same ground, I'll only be checking back on this thread occasionally.

Meanwhile, I will be pursuing this. I'll be trying to hook up a local pastor or two with a marketing professional and see where that takes us. Like I said before, we'll probably fail miserably, but it's worth putting a few weekends effort into to see if its possible to take it to the next level. At the least, I'll have increased my knowledge and experience with the psychology of Christian beliefs. . .that can't be bad from any perspective.

Thanks again.

I am a Christian. Christians are human too, thus still make errors (sin). The Bible does preach against judging others. It is not our place to judge others. The bible does preach standing up for the truth and fighting against erroneous principalities.

A hot topic is homosexuality. It is a perversion of the natural use of our bodies. How many Christians masturbate? Engage in straight oral sex? Straight anal sex? Those are homosexual acts that go against the natural use of how our bodies operate.

It is our place to speak out against these erroneous principalities. It is not our place to judge those engaging in them though. Even us Christians sin and make mistakes ourselves. None of us are perfect. It is vital to acknowledge this, repent, and pray to God for healing. We must remain humbled to this fact.

It is sad that that Christianity is now looked down upon and blamed for so much. I cannot say who is a true Christian and who is not but one's fruits are telling. As Christians, we must correct one another when we are in the wrong. It is wrong to judge or murder in the name of God. It is our job to heal. The New Testament's rule overwrites the Old Testament and is the updated mandate which we must follow.

The Bible does state that this is a time when we will be hated. Those that do not want to hear our message will always look for reasons to discredit us to maintain their current way of life. All we can do is show unconditional love and continue preaching the truth regardless of persecution.

God bless!

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LoL! Seeing as to how you are starting this post off with a silly incorrect generalization. *I do not let what others do or believe define me, sorry, prefer to think for myself. I know how hard it is for others that allow others to do their thinking for them to understand that though.* I must admit I do find it hard to take take you seriously enough to respond but the rest of the massive assumptions you make are hillarious.
Let's see, the problems with your statements.
1) You found it in a book that just happens to be Russian? Which is convient because I do not know Russian so you can claim it says he had a pink bunny fetish and I wouldn't have a clue. And the link you provided says nothing more than it's about Stalin. And even then, just because it's a book that isn't "mainstream" as you so ignorantly put it, doesn't make it correct even if it does say what you claim. Sorry.
2) You do not know me thusly you do not know how I would respond should you provide your proof or even what I think about anything. Though I have been forced to the opinion based on your mirad of other silly statements of fact despite not knowing me would be little more than myth and fluff. You are the one that spoke about him not being an atheist because you claim he rejected evolution and etc. Despite me never even broaching those topics. Ergo, you consider those things to be intregal, which I proceeded to bust up and you then tried to insultingly squirm your way out. Didn't suceed though.
3) And, since when is it ok to answer a request for proof with "you wouldn't change your mind anyway" acceptable or more to the point proving ANYTHING?

Any more massive assumptions you wish to treat as fact?


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