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And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth...and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire...
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the world...
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made.
You were in Eden, the Garden of God...
...you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned...Your heart was pround because of your beauty...
How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!
Originally posted by DaisyAnne
Originally posted by derekcollins79
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth
I know that some that practice the occult do not believe in an actual being called Satan or Lucifer. Some, do, though. For some it's an idea, for others it's a real being they believe in.
Is there any actual scripture that states that Lucifer and Satan are in fact the same being?
Because I have never come across any.
Related, yes. Same being? Nope.
Would like you to know that when I posted "Sorry but I think most Christians are the same" I had you in mind, any other time I would have posted ALL christians are the same.
I'm confused I thought you were suposed to put your life into the hands of God, that he knows what is best and will always protect you?
If xtians really believed this, then they would never need a doctor, never need medical insurance, never need home insurance or contraception.
Xtianity is a joke my friend, a make it up as you go along cult with millions of sheeple blindly doing as the pastor bleats because they can't be bothered to read any of the bibles.If they did the they probably wouldn't be xtians for much longer
Except Octotom lol he's hardcore the Chuck Norris of xtianity
God wants us to live our lives with wisdom and to care for our families.
In fact Jesus refers to himself as the Morning Star in Revelations.
So, assuming that god/jesus is the creator of all that there is/was/ever will be, how is it possible, for god not to get what god wants ?
If god wants something this clearly implies that god lacks something, lacking something implies that there is something not of god, which is impossible if god is the creator of all that there is and therefore "all" that there is.
He himself clearly states in his first commandments that he is a "jealous" god, and humans are to have no other gods other than him. Those that did choose other gods were killed by jesus or one of his reps eg moses, "by the thousands"!
So yahweh/jesus not only claims to be jealous but goes out and proves how jealous he actually is by killing (or worse?) the ones that chose not to love him above all else (plenty of men like this spending time in jail no?)
There are other gods so Yahweh /Jesus is not the creator of everything.
There are other gods and Yahweh/jesus created them in order for men to be tempted to worship and then be killed for doing so.
Yet again Yawhweh/ jesus alludes to the other gods in genesis when he discuses the creation of man " --make him in our image), of course apologists decry this reasoning claiming that he was talking to himself ie Jesus/or yahweh, he'd not announced his name at that point.
Whatever way we look at it, we cannot but observe that the emotion of jealousy was created by yahweh/jesus himself (if the bible is truth) negating his own omniscience/omnipresence and breaking one of his own commandments to boot.
Things then gets really ridiculous when the xtians then explain that the message from god, they gave to them in the form of the bibles, needs someone else to explain to them what it all means.
People can read, it's such a shame yahwe/jesus couldn't write.
This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground.