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Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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This website news was sent to me and I wanted to share it here.


Cancer prevention works. Some treatments of low level cancers, like Hodgkins disease work. Chemotherapy can work. Surgery as well.


Conventional cancer treatments for Hodgkin's Disease are extremely dangerous to your health. Both radiation and chemotherapy are extremely toxic, and according to the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, undergoing such treatments increases the risk of future cancers by three hundred percent.
One of the most common side effects of chemotherapy is, ironically, cancer. It's a classic example of conventional medicine: The "treatment" for the disease promotes yet more disease, resulting in guaranteed repeat business from patients ("customers") who are never allowed to cure anything. Instead, diseases are "managed" with a lifetime of drugs, repeat doctor visits and complete isolation from anything that might actually cure the patient and end the cycle of dependency on doctors and pharmaceuticals.
www.naturalnews.com...

Half of general practitioners and rheumatologists regularly prescribe their patients drugs just to produce a psychological effect, according to a survey conducted by researchers from the National Institutes of Health and published in the British Medical Journal.

www.naturalnews.com...

Glioblastoma multiforme is one of the most dreaded, and most hopeless, diagnoses a doctor can give a patient. It's not only the most malignant form of brain tumor, but it grows rapidly and is usually quickly fatal. Subjecting patients to chemo, radiation and brain surgery typically only prolongs life for a matter of months. This form of brain cancer is so deadly and considered so hopeless that M. D. Anderson Cancer Center researcher Eric Holland, writing in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, referred to it by the insensitive but accurate nickname "the terminator".
Now, however, there could finally be a glimmer of hope for those diagnosed with glioblastoma multiforme. It's not stronger radiation or a new surgery technique but a treatment derived from nature -- cottonseed.

www.naturalnews.com...




posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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hi,
i am new to this post.

1. wondering if one knows where to get some of this?
2. can it be made (acetate is acetic acid, which is vinegar) and say ? chlorax? (h3clo4)?
3. jim humbolt's formula is basically the cl20 molecule, when mixed with ascorbic acid and h20, i think produces essentially h3cl04, chlorax, which as we know is severely toxic directly, yet is used universally to sterilize everything, and works even on viruses, in washing vessels, counter tops, etc. (note: jim humbolt's mms is a very specific formula which is significantly diluted, but he does share his experience of higher doses for specific maladies in his book, still the stuff smells and looks like chlorax to me.
4. could all this be basically keeping the body in a slightly alkaline state, as the slightly acidic state we are in because of our american diet leads to inflammation, and chronic inflammation/toxin build up, leads to dna changes, etc? research seems to be showing, and personal experience for me shows that if i stay clear of basic substances that produce the acid state metabolically (too much coffee, or simple processed carbohydrates), i do not get my arthritis flairs (an acute inflammatory state). this is a pattern and confirmed for me and countless others i have encountered who watch their diet in this manner.
and 5. then what is the ph of the dichloroacetate ion, and if it is above 7 and closer to 10 (putting it in quite a powerful alkaline range) then it may just be taking the body out of the toxic inflammation state, as well, to give the body a chance to start on healing rather than dealing with the assaults. . . .


thoughts for any chemists with more recent memories of chem? or biochem?





posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:50 AM
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I got sick of reading all these posts so forgive me if someone pointed this out... www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... Sum
Basically your "cancer cure" causes liver cancer. There are 100's of "cancer cures" out there that we never hear of because we live in the USA and you cant patent something that is not chemicaly altered. Where do you think ALL our drugs come from? They find something in nature they like that treats a disease or disorder, then they alter it so its worth the drug company marketing. Thank all your local congressmen for bloating health care cost and profiting off the sick. They can cure arteriosclerosis with HDL infusions, BUT no one will develop it untill they find a HDL molecule they can patent! Hmm... I thought people went into the medical field to help people?!



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 04:30 AM
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I found this wonderful thread on causes of diseases this morning, www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anyone who has developed cancer or any other life threatening disease should remove all chemicals from their household. I clean my house with vinegar and aluminum free baking soda. It is ridiculous to treat a disease without removing the cause, sometimes it is a toxic person in your life who is causing you stress.

and dodadoom thank you for being



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 04:38 AM
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Wormwood treats wormtype parasites



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 04:53 AM
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I was totally sick with the last NWO chemtrail attack, so were some of my friends, seriously this is good medicine MMS protocol, along with mount capra and greens. I did not get the flu I got chest pains heart and lungs, parts of my face were burned especially around my nose...They are attacking us from all directions and people are so unaware...


This is also effective, make your own

(click to open player in new window)



[edit on 8-6-2009 by HulaAnglers]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by timfwheeler
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I got sick of reading all these posts so forgive me if someone pointed this out... www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... Sum
Basically your "cancer cure" causes liver cancer. There are 100's of "cancer cures" out there that we never hear of because we live in the USA and you cant patent something that is not chemicaly altered. Where do you think ALL our drugs come from? They find something in nature they like that treats a disease or disorder, then they alter it so its worth the drug company marketing. Thank all your local congressmen for bloating health care cost and profiting off the sick. They can cure arteriosclerosis with HDL infusions, BUT no one will develop it untill they find a HDL molecule they can patent! Hmm... I thought people went into the medical field to help people?!




Yes and ChemoTherapy ALSO causes Leukemia... in fact some people survive the first cancer only to die of the second...

So given that... what's your point about DCA? If yer dying... yer dying mate...



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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First, (assuming anyone cares what I think) I understand the angst; I understand the fear, doubt and hatred of “Big Pharma”. I get all that, I really do. In many cases, I agree with a lot of the sentiments presented here on ATS on a daily basis.

But before you post the next "evil" or "greedy" rant, keep in mind that the Pharmaceuticals industry is there to make money, period. It is comprised of corporations, not individuals; they are run to make a profit, to provide financial incentive to investors (present and potential). This is capitalism. A corporation cannot have an “evil” agenda, only people can. Competing corporations will not collude on the scale that many of you believe, they do not get together in a room and discuss what treatment they are going to release next month. They do not get together in a room and discuss what college grad to kill of who’s research is promising, or what poison they want to use to kill off the populace that is providing them profit.

And many of you conveniently forget or discount the hundreds if not thousands of life saving medicines, drugs and devices that these companies have produced and still do on a almost daily basis. You can wax on about how bad they are, but good does come out of them. Money and resources can make a difference.

Please don’t get me wrong, I am not defending them, Big Pharma is not innocent, there are people who are unscrupulous, who lie, cheat and steal, conspire to charge enormous prices for the simplest of drugs, who ration life saving medicine, and who inadvertently kill people with unneeded and harmful drugs, prey on our fears (that they create).

However….
Some of the ideas presented here ARE JUST AS BAD in terms of hurting us all as ANY conspiracy perceived or otherwise by “Big Pharma”

The problem is NOISE, there is too much of it.

There are as many agents of insanity here as there are commercials for Viagra. For every unneeded restless leg syndrome drug pushed on to patients who didn’t know they had it, there are 15 guys on ATS (and elsewhere) telling us how sunflower seeds cure brain tumors, another 10 tells us how Homeopathy cures all ills.

NOISE NOISE NOISE.

Lets get a few facts on the table:

1. Cancer isn’t one thing that can be “cured” with one pill.

Cancer is anything that effects the health of a healthy cell (simplified)
Anyone who tells you that cancer can be “cured” is lying to you, and if you can not accept that, you need to pick up some medical textbooks and read some journals. Some of you express doubt just because you think we should have cured all diseases by now, as if it were really that simple. Our bodies aren't TV sets, they are superior genetic designs of evolution.

2. Not all research and development of “cures” are done by “Big Pharma”

In fact most of “Big Pharmas” research is done on the educational side of the fence. In order for “Big Pharma” to control all of the developments they would have to kill off or pay off all of the up and coming researchers and bury all the advances. This isn’t happening, if you follow any medical journals you can follow the careers of many individuals who are clearly not bought or buried. You can also see non pharama sponsored clinical trials that do not pan out as hoped. They are trying…

3. Expounding on #2 above, Big Pharmas goal is profit, and therefore all outlay resources go towards that goal, marketing mostly.

They want to sell drugs to the widest range of people, sleep disorders, Viagra, anxiety.. that kind of thing. A “cure” for cancer would actually be in the best interest of the bottom line of any Pharmaceutical, everyone would buy it.. everyone, as we will almost ALL get a cancer or two in our lifetimes. However, since the research and development cost for a cancer “cure” would be staggering (ignoring the overlying impossibility) “Big Pharma” therefore focuses on easy, safe (not as in medically safe) drugs they can manufacture for the masses. That’s not inherently evil. That’s just good business sense.

4. There is no cover up.

Every year thousands (in the US alone) of really smart men and women, plus current and recent grads are looking to make names of themselves, they are all looking for the thesis, the publication, the collaboration that will stand out, the career builder, the career maker, the nobel prize. Most of them, are not doing it for the money.. they are truly wanting for a better world. You can't buy that off.

To think that Big Pharma has a stranglehold on all advancement is not only silly but it goes against common sense. Unless you truly believe Big Pharma is killing wholesale or buying up everyone with a brain, then you must admit.. there is no cover up.

And I haven’t even touched on the media’s insatiable need to report the slightest advance in medical technology…

“News at 11, sunflower seeds cure brain tumors”

My point here isn’t to call anyone out, like I said, I understand why we feel the way we do, but in many cases we are wrong.
Natural remedies exist of course, but the sheer amount of disinformation on ATS on fake cures is a match for any junk ”Big Pharma” puts out.

Relax people; the world isn’t out to get you (all the time)



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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First off, cancer is just an umbrella term.

There are many types of cancers, with many types of causes, and many types of cells. It is not a one size fits all. They are completely seperate kinds of diseases. Which is why some are very managble now, and others have a 90% mortality rate.

So there will never be a "cure" for all cancer. Indivicual research must be done on each type. You will hear of each one getting a cure, but not a blanket cure.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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Cheers




posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Green Tea is alkaline, which is probably why it helps. Fruits and vegetables tend to be higher alkaline, which is probably what makes them effective as a diet against cancer.

For Co-enzyme Q10, however, you need to eat raw meats, or meats that have are cooked on the rare side. If I am not mistaken, lamb has one of the highest q10 rates while being lower in acidity.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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That is what I have heard, cancer mainly is a result of being too acidic. Processed foods, therefore fast foods, are all acidic, throw in coffee and alcohol, and that makes for a very acidic diet.

I have gotten into the back habit of drinking a lot of coffee lately, and suddenly I am getting pains in my forearms, and hands, and even at my Achilles tendon. I think I will get completely away from coffee, and start drinking more green tea and see how well that works.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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But before you post the next "evil" or "greedy" rant, keep in mind that the Pharmaceuticals industry is there to make money, period. It is comprised of corporations, not individuals; they are run to make a profit, to provide financial incentive to investors (present and potential). This is capitalism. A corporation cannot have an “evil” agenda, only people can.


Yeah, but the people who are able to hide behind the corporate identity, who can put their personal gain above all else and avoid being held responsible for their action often do have an evil agenda, which they rationalize in the name of profit and capitalism. This is a basic fact about the corporate entity that makes these organizations so dangerous when added to the wealth and the power, and numerous people working together behind the corporate mask towards a purely profit based agenda. The end result of nobody being held responsible for their actions is that corporations often commit some of the most evil, dastardly deeds that humanity is guilty of committing.


Competing corporations will not collude on the scale that many of you believe, they do not get together in a room and discuss what treatment they are going to release next month. They do not get together in a room and discuss what college grad to kill of who’s research is promising, or what poison they want to use to kill off the populace that is providing them profit.


No, they don't sit in some board room together hatching evil plans, but they do have the same agenda, profit, and any obstacle to their goal, becomes a target of all corporations whose profits are threatened. This leaves cures that threaten big pharma profits with numerous very powerful enemies.


And many of you conveniently forget or discount the hundreds if not thousands of life saving medicines, drugs and devices that these companies have produced and still do on a almost daily basis. You can wax on about how bad they are, but good does come out of them. Money and resources can make a difference.


I would say that is highly questionable. Exactly how many of the critical breakthroughs have big pharma made? When was the last time big pharma did something really good to improve the lives of their customers? It is the small start ups that usually take all the risks, and make the breakthroughs. Then, when they become competitive and start making money, the big pharmas buy them out, screw the employees, and collect all the profits.

Since the eighties and the selling of the free market concept and the idea that greed is a virtue and not a vice, I think it is hard to find anything good that giant corporations have done. Most of the new advances have came from start ups. IMO, corporations have become more of a hinderance to progress and prosperity than enablers.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 10:06 PM
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And perhaps, your statements sir, are the most presumptuous I have ever heard.




It makes more sense to cure cancer and sell the medicine to more people for longer times than it does not to.

It makes more money!


If the cancer is cured and there are no side effects along the way, then this is the less profitable path.

I do not usually play this card, but I cannot tell you how much money the insurance companies have payed out to hospitals due to my mom's cancer. Thankfully she has been in remission for the last 5 or so years.

With no cure, cancer is able to come back and one may have to go through more treatments once again, I.e. More money from insurance companies to hospitals.

With particular "cures" for particular cancers, there may be a whole array of easily obtained "cures" that may not cost that much for the average person.

It all comes down to how evil you believe other humans can be.

In one hand you have a cure, that presents only the initial profit (unknown price for the cure). In the other hand, you have a definite profit, perhaps more if cancer returns, and possible death. You pick which one based on your beliefs on how evil humans can be.

You may already know this, but in the long run, if everyone was cured of all diseases, then no need for insurance companies. No need for drug companies. The U.S. would cease to be the biggest drug cartel in the world.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Its good they found DCA, because its worth more research.
It "Almost" works, which means we are not that far from something that works.
But in its current form its very risky and doesn't help everyone.
Especially when peddled by lying vitamin salesmen on the internet with their slimy websites and testimonials.
You probably wont even be getting the real thing you are probably paying $100 for baking soda.
One of these vitamin liar company's in Canada was ordered to pay back millions for defrauding customers selling pretend DCA.
Don't be fooled, don't try buy this off some liar on the internet.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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Why is government warning that Apricot seeds are poisonous? Is it true or do they deliberately want us not to find a cure? They are explicitly denying that it can cure cancer....

See source: Apricot seeds are poisonous



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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poet 1b, please let me know.

seems everyone i know that i have shared this with who can modify diet, gets results, and quickly.

sadly, mainstream medicine does not consider this (we are all hypnotised by 'standard of care based on the 'research' in the journals, presented at our lectures, conferences, etc, all, of course, funded by. . . ultimately the ptb, so we are hypnotised, and most truly believe the research, , by that which is being presented to us, rather than the profound authoritative research of 'experience'. it is profound how 'stuck' in the 'little box' one can become entrained.

so your feedback is important. please let me know. my best
namaste (peace and love, i honor the divine in you.

btw: green tea rocks, was a pretty easy switch. still has caffiene (or i get the decaf for evenings, etc). works great, one of the few teas that are alkaline.





tlc



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 12:15 AM
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Apricot seeds are 'laetrile'. they actually have in them a 'cyanide' compound, and if you taste or smell them they have the characteristic 'almond' taste, smell. then again a cyanide compound is now being used in emergency rooms to rapidly 'glue' and close clean wounds. sooo. . . . .


they are available though, since they are used in recipes of macaroon recipes, and are the only reason one can now purchase them. Apparently there has been promise with this laetrile when it was used the 70's (if i recall my research correctly, that is why it was made illegal, of course, for reasons, ?) can still get it in mexico. also, there is cyanide compounds in apple seeds also, but i have never seen anyone have any problems from eating them, just interesting info.

and apples as of yet have not become illegal to my knowledge though should have if it was truly the 'cyanide' that was the problem in the pits. (mixed messages here, so something smells,me thinks)





posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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You have a point and hopefully it is worth it to be noted again
as many have noted this already. (as I have)
Once again the point is made:
that corporations aren't all bad and do some good.
Yes we know that, we understand all that already.
I would rather listen to someone who is here trying to help out, out
of sheer compassion for another human being with tried and true
methods for better health, than a multi billion dollar company only
interested in making MORE profits off me. Yes that is capitalism.
But you beleive who you want to, fo sho!
BTW, its a cottonseed nutrient in this article, not sunflower seeds!
(no wonder we are always so mixed up)

Cottonseed Nutrient Halts Growth of Brain Cancer Tumors



Glioblastoma multiforme is one of the most dreaded, and most hopeless, diagnoses a doctor can give a patient. It's not only the most malignant form of brain tumor, but it grows rapidly and is usually quickly fatal... The UAB study was a phase II clinical trial of AT-101, a pill made from a potent compound found in cottonseed that appears to overcome the out-of-control growth patterns of malignant cells. So far in the clinical tests, AT-101 stopped the usually lethal brain cancer's progression in many of the 56 patients treated, Dr. Fiveash said at the meeting...
Research into cottonseed over the past decade has shown it to have numerous health-promoting qualities. For example, previous animal research at the University of Michigan concluded that a therapy made from cottonseed oil could boost the effectiveness of treatment for prostate cancer and possibly other common cancers, as well. Another study from Texas Medical Center researchers found that consuming cottonseed oil may help fight heart disease because it is rich in vitamin E and lowers cholesterol naturally.

www.naturalnews.com...
Don't know if I'd knock it or not. Just may save a life of
someone you care about. What is that worth? A billion?
I was wondering how long before viagra was brought up
on a cancer thread!(go figure)(a buddy of mine got MS from viagra btw)
Please dont lump us all in(get it, lump?)with this crowd also.
We are here for the truth in whatever form it takes.
We are "relaxed" already thanks AND comfortable in the knowledge that
we can thankfully see both sides to this(and other) issues.
We dont rely on MSM OR big pharma to have a fantastic quality of life!
We use what ALREADY works and HAS WORKED for centuries!
We already have our "cures" and they are affordable too,even!
Until big pharma gets ahold of them that is...

(and,.. oh ya,.. no side effects!)
Thanks though!

Btw, have you tried any of these "fake cures" found only on ATS,
to see if they are just that?









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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 04:10 AM
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Well the medical industry will loose millions of dollars and jobs when certain cures for different cancers become more popular. This for me is the real issue.



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