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No Charges For Mob That Beat Alleged Child Rapist

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posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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No Charges For Mob That Beat Alleged Child Rapist


cbs13.com

Philadelphia's police commissioner says there will be no charges against neighbors who beat a man sought for questioning in the rape of an 11-year-old girl.

About a dozen residents of the city's West Kensington neighborhood pummeled 26-year-old Jose Carrasquillo for several minutes on Tuesday before police arrived.
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posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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No matter what community this stuff happens in, good people do come to the aid of victims. While this is not the best approach, I can completely understand the reaction of the neighborhood.

The father was on cnn and stated that it was a good thing that he was not the one to find this guy. It is a heartbreaking thing to have a child hurt in this way, I can only hope this guy gets the maximum and runs into some big nasty inmates that will make him remember the crime for the rest of his life.

cbs13.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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Good for them.

My only complaint is that they didn't curb check him.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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'Lynch them high and hang them dry'. Don't you folk realise that mob rule can never win nor should it in a civilised society.

More mob rule = more police power... eventually .



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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More coverage from a local station. This just goes to show the power of community, no matter what people do protect their own. ''

www.nbcphiladelphia.com...



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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This is great...............if he was guilty.

The article said "wanted for questioning." That is a scary thought, what if he used to be roommates with the guilty guy, or was the neighborhood busy body and so he might have seen something?

I am all for vigilanteism, as long as they are certain they got the right guy. Maybe the police know that they did, and that is why there are no charges.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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I'm amazed how people's brains just shut off when the trm "child rape" comes up. Suddenly any other violation of the law becomes A-OK.

He was wanted for questioning. He was not a suspect (at least not yet). and he was mobbed and beaten, and the mob gets no charges.

And people are apparently cheering. I have to wonder what they feel about all the "alleged rapists" who got lynched down south a few decades back.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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I'm split on this. Arrest some yes, beat them to a pulp no. If we value freedoms as being presumed innocent then giving the government or media power over us to presume guilt only because someone reported it is giving away our freedoms in the long run.

While the situation may change if the people doing the beating actually observed the crime, in this circumstance I don't know how beating someone that is "presumed innocent" is not a crime in itself. That being said, I totally understand the reasoning in the mind of the average person to justify their actions.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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Why the heck would somebody be wanted in questioning about the rape? Do you think the police phoned the negihbourhood up and told them the name and address of a witness to the rape or something?
And where the heck is this civilized society?
north america? ha!

In a civilized society rapists don't serve less time than say, tax evaders and stuff. Money over human life is not civilized. period.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 02:24 PM
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I'm torn on this too.

Mob Rules never should be allowed. Vigilantes are criminals too. Innocence should always be presumed until proven Guilty. These are the ideals which we stand by that make us better than the criminals.

On the other hand, I can appreciate the community outrage at such a violent crime to an innocent child. I can also appreciate that if the person was indeed guilty of the crime , then he deserved a whoopin' in the very least on top of whatever sentence he will ultimately get by the Justice System.

Thankfully, he was only beaten, and not critically injured or killed, so he can now face Justice, and if found Guilty, be penalized by the Law. For that community to heal, no one needs blood on their hands.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 02:29 PM
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This reminds of a case that was featured on A&E one time.

True story. Kid gets abducted by his karate trainer, and is taken to California. The parents knew he was going to California with the trainer, so when he didn't come back they sent the police looking. He was soon found, and the child quickly claimed that his trainer had been sexually molesting him for years.

Well, they capture the guy and get him onto a plane to be shipped back to home state. Upon arriving at the airport, with a police escort he was brought through. News media cameras were all focused on him, when, unexpectedly, the father of the molested boy jumped out from a phone booth pulled a gun, and blew the guys head off.

Many, many witnesses, including police and news video.

Never spent a day in prison for it.

Justice served, no lengthy trial and appeal process, no wasted time and tax payers money. I say, great success.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by king9072]



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by king9072
This reminds of a case that was featured on A&E one time.

True story. Kid gets abducted by his karate trainer, and is taken to California. The parents knew he was going to California with the trainer, so when he didn't come back they sent the police looking. He was soon found, and the child quickly claimed that his trainer had been sexually molesting him for years.

Well, they capture the guy and get him onto a plane to be shipped back to home state. Upon arriving at the airport, with a police escort he was brought through. News media cameras were all focused on him, when, unexpectedly, the father of the molested boy jumped out from a phone booth pulled a gun, and blew the guys head off.

Many, many witnesses, including police and news video.

Never spent a day in prison for it.

Justice served, no lengthy trial and appeal process, no wasted time and tax payers money. I say, great success.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by king9072]


That is a good vigilante story. I love it. Saved the taxpayers a ton of money. Provided closure for the family. Sent a message to all would-be abductors. Served justice. Neatly packaged and broadcast for the community. Great!



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 03:41 PM
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Amazing! The people who beat the guy up don't have telephones? None of them could have called the police to tell them they spotted this man from the video? They could have followed the guy until the police showed up.

I do believe the vigilantes are just as bad as any other criminal walking the street.

What if this is a case of mistaken identity? What if the alleged rapist had a gun on him? This could have been a very dangerous situation for the people who were just watching.

A lot of what if's.

Who's going to pay the medical bills for this alleged rapist? I wonder if he can sue the people who beat him up?

Let the police do thier jobs. That's what they get paid for!

Also, if this person is indeed guilty, he should be locked up for life in some prison where he can be beaten by his peers, not by some people on the street, who should be upholding the law, not breaking it!



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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They shouldn't touch him until he gets a trial. If he's found guilty, then he gets to be publicly killed and a warning gets issued that this is what happens to child rapists.

It saves so much time and money.

Fair enough?



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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Yeah when this happened there was a huge manhunt for him.
When I went up to PA that day it was crazy his picture was everywhere.

I am the happy cops didn't press charges he got what he deserved.
It's about time people take a pro active role in the horrible things that go on in this world god knows the often don't get what the truly deserve in prison, the guys who were there had no intentions of killing him or anything they just wanted to rough him up if they wanted to kill him or anything they would have and could have and never would have called the cops.
I think it's better sign that people reacted this way then just going on in with their lives, there's probably some people who would have just passed him by even if they noticed him.
This guy was arrested over 20 some times for similiar things, he had huge red flags of progression with his drug addiction and criminal acts he should have been locked up long ago and let out.
The government doesn't want to do its job, so the people need to.
When you're dealing with drug addicts you need a in depth psychological study done of the person because if they are not able to be rehabbed it is only going to increase, this can be used to prevent so many needless deaths and emotional pain for others.
Some people are lost causes and instead of trying to be politically correct people need to take a harsh dose of reality.

Philadelphia is a strange place, a entirely different culture inside of a world of it's own that many would not be able to understand if they don't live near by or know anything about what goes on there, people are sick of these people taking their children using them and abusing them, they are frustrated and angry that on a daily basis people like this man get to go free, and even when they are caught they are back on the streets much too soon.
This is a place of hurt and turmoil where they have come to the conclusion that only them themselves can be the active members of their own society that the police and courts simply aren't doing.

I feel that when people do not have a strong emotional reaction to something of this nature there is something wrong with them it is only emotional human nature to have such a strong repulsive reaction to something like this, if you don't something is off kilt, maybe a sign of the desensitization of the world.


Oh and to add, just on the news right now, the people who caught this guy got a check for 11,000 dollars, two young men who are living lives that most could never understand and would shine a ignorant blind eyes towards and probably judge and ridicule them.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by pop_science]



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by dizzylizzy
'Lynch them high and hang them dry'. Don't you folk realise that mob rule can never win nor should it in a civilised society.

More mob rule = more police power... eventually .


Ahem...

Only in the past 50 years has "Civilized" come to mean taking child rapist, murders, and the rest of the scum and putting them away in a nice prison with cable tv and three meals a day.

In fact.. in EVERY civilized society from time remembered a child rapist, a murderer a corrupted politician... it means the Guillotine.. or the Gallows.. or the Firing Squad.. or put to the Sword...

If the guy is guilty, he should be publicly executed.. so all those with the urging to rape a little girl can think back to the first day they saw a rapist, with fear in his eyes in the moment before the blade dropped... perhaps they would think twice. It's all we could hope for. hiding the perpetrators, putting them away for "rehabilitation" dehumanizes the crimes and the criminals.. there is no fear.

Want to install fear in the hearts of these animals? Begin killing them in the city centers once more.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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it is a fact that corpral punishment is more effective when administered by the right people as soon after the incident as possible. Not that that matters, the actions of these people are completely justified. some people just wont learn until you teach them



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Ahem...

Only in the past 50 years has "Civilized" come to mean taking child rapist, murders, and the rest of the scum and putting them away in a nice prison with cable tv and three meals a day.

In fact.. in EVERY civilized society from time remembered a child rapist, a murderer a corrupted politician... it means the Guillotine.. or the Gallows.. or the Firing Squad.. or put to the Sword...


You do understand that sex with young children and even rape were not crimes in most "civilized" societies that long ago, right?

Grown men taking 12 year old girls for brides never even raised eyebrows, once upon a time. Until the Age of Marriage Act in 1929, girls of 12 were considered at the age of consent.

Raping a woman wasn't a crime all that long ago because women were treated as property, just like cattle.

These weren't death sentence offenses because they were once considered acceptable practices, just like slavery once was.

Now that we are much wiser and significantly more civilized, we realize how these practices are morally wrong, emotionally damaging, and criminal, and deal with them appropriately.

As emotional of a subject as it may be (I know I would be sorely tempted to take matters in my own hands if anyone hurt my daughter), it wasn't always a heated issue for anyone but the victims of these crimes until relatively recent years. You cannot justify acts of violence and vigilantism by making false claims to death sentences in yesteryear when they did not share the same emotional outrage that we have today for what we now perceive to be crimes that were not perceived to be criminal back then.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck

Want to install fear in the hearts of these animals? Begin killing them in the city centers once more.


Hmmm. So, should we sell tickets? Put up t-shirt vendors, sell cotton candy at these events?

Should these exections be for general public viewing, or will there be an age limit to whom is allowed to attend?

Sorry, but I don't think I would want MY children to attend a public execution!



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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If this story was about 4 cops getting away with beating the suspect the majority of ATS members would be all over it and (rightfully) condemning their actions. The usual arguments of "innocent until proven guilty" and "It's the courts job, not theirs, to dispense justice" would be dropped left and right.

Those arguments still hold true in this situation. While I absolutely understand that emotions were running high, it's my opinion that their actions were wrong. Countless "legitimate" crimes are commited in the heat of the moment. High emotions are not a get out of trouble free card.



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