Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447

Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on board the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged.

French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31st.

While it is certain that there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out.

Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil.

It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic.

A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L’Express that the link was "highly significant".

Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections.

There is a possibility that the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously".

France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan. Security chiefs have been particularly worried about airborne suicide attacks similar to the ones on the United States on September 11th 2001.

As Agit8dChop has mentioned in another thread, this list would have to be a "no-fly list" of that kind of thing would it not?

How exactly does the no fly list work? Is it striclty that....you cannot fly....or are you restricted as to where you can fly to?

If it's a case that you cannot fly at all, then something has gone wrong somewhere in France for them to have even been on the flight.

I can see there being a lot of hacked off relatives if this were the case.

CX.

Another member highlighted that this may have been a "Dummy" run. The Terrorists would not want to claim responsibility for fear of exposing their method of destruction too early, before other operations have been conducted.

I found it quite unbelieveable that only days earlier a Bomb threat was made towards Air France in Brazil and the actual plane in question was searched but allowed to fly.

Was the bomb placed on board by airport staff or carried by the two Terrorists in a new undetectable fashion?

Originally posted by CX
How exactly does the no fly list work? Is it striclty that....you cannot fly....or are you restricted as to where you can fly to?
CX.

I don't know cx, something doesn't add up here surely if they were restricted they would not be able to travel to france????

I don't buy it. Maybe the other member is right, when the aircraft was taken in for bomb checks maybe the bomb was planted then. The question is why?

Why target a flight going to france?



[edit on 10-6-2009 by franspeakfree]

It's not a no-fly list rather intelligence records.
Anyway, 10 days and still at the point of checking the passengers list ?

Originally posted by BLUE ARMS
Another member highlighted that this may have been a "Dummy" run. The Terrorists would not want to claim responsibility for fear of exposing their method of destruction too early, before other operations have been conducted.

I found it quite unbelieveable that only days earlier a Bomb threat was made towards Air France in Brazil and the actual plane in question was searched but allowed to fly.

Was the bomb placed on board by airport staff or carried by the two Terrorists in a new undetectable fashion?

If there were terrorists they may not ever claim responsibility.

No-one claimed responsibility for Lockerbie - ok someone confessed years later but at the time fingers were pointed at Libya but no-one actually claimed responsibility.

No-one claimed responsibility for 9/11 either - we've been told it was AQ but they've never actually claimed responsibility.

I've seen a few ppl claiming that the terrorists would want the glory but some of those same ppl also don't believe that AQ carried out the 9/11 attacks so they must know that no-one has ever claimed responsibility for those.

I have no idea if it was terrorists that caused this plane to ditch - my mind is still open to all possibilities.

Originally posted by BLUE ARMS


A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L’Express that the link was "highly significant".

Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections.

There is a possibility that the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously".

Some very curious statements given here.

If they are trying to determine dates of birth, why don't they just ask the airline for the passport numbers, then go to the Passport Authority and get their personal details?

A quick succession of phone calls.

I cannot understand this. If I had found details of "terrorists" on a flight, it stands to reason that lots of information about these characters would already be on file. It also stands to reason that dates of birth would have already been gathered and recorded.

Something about them trying to determine dates of birth just doesn't seem to fit here.

Hi I read somewhere that the plane could have been brought down by an elecromagnectic pulse planted on the plane. Could this happen ? if so was this a trial run to see how well it worked. How many planes are in the sky at any one time and could someone be planning to bring down all in a new 9/11 attack. Is that why nobody has given the game away by claiming responsibility? It would be like hell on earth and a feather in the cap for all those intent on destroying u

It seems the link above doesnt take you to the skynews site. It reports error
It is a valid link you will just have to copy and paste into your browser.
My apologies for any inconvenience. Must be a skynews thing.

This is the text from the article.

"Sounds In Ocean 'Not From Air France Plane'
5:59pm UK, Tuesday June 23, 2009

Sounds detected in the Atlantic did not come from the black boxes of the Air France plane which crashed into the ocean, a French official has said.
Le Monde newspaper earlier reported that French naval vessels had picked up signals from the jet's flight data recorders.
A mini-submarine, the Nautile, had been sent to try to find the boxes on the bottom of the ocean floor, the paper added.
But the sounds were not signals from the flight's voice or data recorders, an aide to French minister Jean-Louise Borloo said.
She confirmed the black boxes had not yet been detected.
The boxes could contain vital information which may explain what happened when the Airbus A330 crashed into the water, killing all 228 people on board.
Locator beacons, known as "pingers", on the flight recorders send out an electronic impulse every second for at least 30 days after a crash.
The signal can be heard up to 2km (1.2 miles) away.

Flight AF447 fell into the ocean en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris on May 31, meaning its black boxes will only send signals until the end of the month.
French vessels involved in the search operation include a nuclear submarine with advanced sonar equipment and a research ship equipped with mini-submarines.
Ten of the 50 bodies recovered from the crash have been identified as Brazilians, five men and five women.
One "foreigner of the male sex" has also been identified, although his nationality has not been revealed.
The location of the crash, as well as the depth and surface of the ocean floor, have made the search for bodies and debris difficult.
The wreckage of the plane is thought to lie anywhere between a depth of 1km (0.6 miles) and 4km (2.5 miles)."

Interestinlgy there is nothing I can find on the Le Monde website with regard to the earlier reference in this report. Here is the link

www.lemonde.fr/

AF447 was intact at the time of impact. It was wings level, with a high rate of vertical speed. The leading theory is icing causing faulty readings to the flight computer. This would cause the autopilot disconnect, as well as keep the pilots from knowing what was really going on with the aircraft. Shortly after AF447 it was found that pitot tubes manufactured by Thales would provide faulty readings under normal conditions. The EASA recommended that all Thales pitot tubes be replaced by tubes made in the US.

Thats werid flight AK47 SHOOT PLANE GOES DOWN.

I am bumping this thread due to the fact that the black boxes have been located and the findings made public today. I am still convinced that despite the official reports published today that this plane was deliberately taken out of the air. Most probably to remove some unwanted people from the chess board.