Originally posted by HugmyRek
I can't recall any offers that I have refused, in my military life, or in civi life.

Not even something seemingly innocent or expected like your buddies or superiors asking you to a whorehouse while in your combat days in the mid east or 'wherever'?

Nothing?? No offers of graft, take my 50 bucks or 6 grand officer, no one will notice, you deserve it.

No offers to view child or teen pornography or to take drugs or mess with the locals? No job description or volunteer deployment activity turned down?


These are some ideas for back thinking.

I am not a police person, but I feel you acted precisely to the model. I have a copy of the use of force model somewhere; it's good for regular people too who don't know how to handle violence situations. And Trigger is an excellent name.

I am sorry for what you, your pally, and your dear heart girlfriend are going through and feel there is much more the gov should and can do to reprimand the person or entity who threatenly harrassed you.

I believe this is a test in the shortcomings of law and justice. I wish we had an ATS Legal forum here.

I would caution about giving out samples of your handwriting; they can be reverse engineered to, for instance be used in the planting of a suicide note.

I would also wish to reccomend that you discuss this occurrace with your church members, being masonic and a bit up and up and out there on things unseen, they might, if even unwilling to let on or divulge be priveledged to the information if only for the opportunity to in future cases, if in the event of the other worldly of any type, be able to have at least a minimal plan of defense... for the community.

Please don't flame me. I don't think you will, but masons...otherworldly..strange talk...blah. Not something I would normally shudder to glance upon with an officer of the law.

I'm not going to flame you I believe you responded with your opinion and thats awesome, I seriously think of myself as very easy to get along with, and I sincerely appreciate everyones input here, well except the trollers who are just assy.

I was never offered to go to a whorehouse lol. I like to stay disease free, and I would definitely turn down child or teen porn if offered, thats just disturbing lol. My unit never mistreated locals, and I honestly don't recall cash offers or anything. I was offered cigarettes and chew, and I gladly accepted smokes or chew for when we couldn't smoke.

[edit on 6/7/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

So what do your cop coworkers think of this? And your supervisor?

Why would they put a huge folder with CIA all over it in your mailbox complete with letterhead? A little obvious, I would think. CIA does not seem to work that way. I do not believe they would be making some kind of super secret contact with you - all awhile announcing who they are in such a blatant way.

And what is this about "your security clearance is enclosed". A security clearance is not something you physically hold. It is not an ID card. As being in the military, you would know this.

Can you post a picture of this security clearance?

Sounds like a practical joke is being played on you.




[edit on 6/7/2009 by greeneyedleo]

That struckme ass odd about the "clearance" as well, the little hologram enclosed is the same size as the one on my army ID, but with a different federal logo. I'm guessing some sort of play on words, or something they feel I would know what it means. It did have a serial number on it.

As for the folder and letterhead...I have seen alot of the FBI and CIA operate in plain view, everyone knows who they are, and they know tampering with a mailbox is a fed offense and that just doesn't happen in my neighborhood.

I dunno, just my thoughts

Best thing to do would be to contact the CIA and the FBI with those documents as they could be total bs.

I once knew a guy who impersonated a Coast Guard official and ended up having a whole team of special forces thinking they were performing secret government missions- thankfully they escaped to Canada.

Um. Also, about stickers and telling people your personal plans on the net- "I'm off at one, going to sit up in the dark, no one ever folows me home, ect.."

Stickers themselves are used widely in retail to track products. I think I heard somewhere that even the police use some type of this tech to track suspicious cars, perhaps-maybe not. They are definately in almost everything we purchase.

The enemy if there is one is high tech. You could be being followed simply with that hologram-or a translucent sticker disc gps on your car? Microphones and cameras on pc's can be tapped into, right? Phones.

I'm over thinking. I'm the one paranoid :-)
That is really creepy, though, go up and talk to someone!

Why an agency would want to take a guy away from what he truly loves- I don't know.

Maybe now is a good time to cash in an unexpected month vacation and take you and your family anywhere but Paris for awhile until after the 17th. Cabo?

i beleive you, former marine here and i too have had 2 very strange and similiar circumstances. not going to say alot as the room has eyes persay, but keep both eyes open and your pistol very close and your wits even closer. if it gets worse you might want to move. the non beleivers will never beleive, the fools will always beleive in hope and change. so you must have your eyes wide open to the truth, if you know what i mean.

hopefully you have friends that can watch your back for awhile. best luck, cause my endevors took over a year and a move to get over

best luck cause i know exactly what your going through!

To be honest, a similar thing happened to my dad when he got out of the Air Force. He was approached by people who described themselves as mercs. He turned them down.

Honeslty, I would go to the nearest FBI or CIA branch office and have them check it out. This may be legit, or it may not be. They will be able to tell. I can totally see some two-bit merc group pulling something like this in an attempt to recruit you.

It was legit...I turned down the offer....again

so I'm left wondering Now what?

Originally posted by parisinflames
It was legit...I turned down the offer....again

so I'm left wondering Now what?

[edit on 6/8/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by parisinflames
It was legit...I turned down the offer....again

so I'm left wondering Now what?

How was it legit?

And again, can you take a picture of your "security clearance card". Im curious as to what it looks like and Im sure others are too.



[edit on 6/8/2009 by greeneyedleo]

There was no "card" I went directly to the federal building in Detroit and spoke to someone to verify it's authenticity, after about a half hour, I spoke with a gentleman from the CIA who apologized for his agents approach, and the trouble, and he explained tht my military records records, and overseas activities placed me in a high demand for their "division" and I would start asap and be placed at various locations, doing different tasks etc. I refused again, and asked kindly if I could stop being bothered with it. That I was happy as a police officer, and just wanted to be a happy peaceful perspn, he stated its payscale...and wow! It would have been nice, if I didn't have to oneday be KIA. He promised me Iwould be left alone from now on, I doubt thats true but...let's just find out


again thank you everyone for your info and help
much appreciated.

Paris,
I have read the entire thread and some things just do not add up for me. The patrol men arrived extremely quickly... what are the typical police response times for "persons acting suspicious" incidents?

Why would you even think of drawing your weapon on a guy who your dog was growling at and you felt uneasy with? You felt threatened by him? Whichever way you cut it, he DID NOT physically threaten you (or is it a "mens rea" thing in the USA?). How would you drawing a weapon on him in that scenario stand up in court? I am not familiar with USA off duty Police protocol on drawing weapons, perhaps you or someone else could enlighten me on the law.

(Photobucket uploaded photo) Is that a silencer on your MP 5? Why would anyone not involved in clandestine military operations need a silencer?

The CIA logo on the folder that you posted appears to be Fake..... go to CIA.com and check out their logo against that on the folder, notice the main horizontal points on the star and their alignment with the letters, then look at the feather details on the eagles neck.... nuff said.

Your story continues to drip feed information to keep the reader interested. It reminds me of the girl who spent lots of her time in daddy reptiles pouch.
I wish you and those around you all the best,

PEACE
RK.

Originally posted by Rigel Kent
Paris,
I have read the entire thread and some things just do not add up for me. The patrol men arrived extremely quickly... what are the typical police response times for "persons acting suspicious" incidents?

Why would you even think of drawing your weapon on a guy who your dog was growling at and you felt uneasy with? You felt threatened by him? Whichever way you cut it, he DID NOT physically threaten you (or is it a "mens rea" thing in the USA?). How would you drawing a weapon on him in that scenario stand up in court? I am not familiar with USA off duty Police protocol on drawing weapons, perhaps you or someone else could enlighten me on the law.

(Photobucket uploaded photo) Is that a silencer on your MP 5? Why would anyone not involved in clandestine military operations need a silencer?

The CIA logo on the folder that you posted appears to be Fake..... go to CIA.com and check out their logo against that on the folder, notice the main horizontal points on the star and their alignment with the letters, then look at the feather details on the eagles neck.... nuff said.

Your story continues to drip feed information to keep the reader interested. It reminds me of the girl who spent lots of her time in daddy reptiles pouch.
I wish you and those around you all the best,

PEACE
RK.

ok to answer your questions, since the police station is literally 120 yards away from the point where I was, response time is very quick, esp when officers are on a main patrol route alongside the main street that the park sits behind. I have already explained why I thought opf drawing my weapon, It did not come out, and my words were a deterrent, I dont think little kids should see my dog tearing someone apart, or see me choking someone down to the ground, it was a safer scenario for me and it followed protocol for an off duty officer. I put up with enough violence during work, you think I want to throw down in a park while I'm trying to relax? Since you are not familiar with the USA laws for citizens and officers I would just suggest..trust what I did was correct. I am a trained officer, and in the military I was highly trained in dangerous situations. I have a 6th sense for when I'm in danger.


Yes that is a silencer on my MP5..I have it simply because I can. we have this great thing in the US called the 2nd amendment, which basically allows any law abiding citizen the right to keep and bear arms. and since I am LE I am allowed to own a select fire suppressed MP5 whereas the regular civilian could as well, but just have to pay an arm and a leg. I also have many other select fire weapons, as well as silenced.

as for the CIA logo, I dunno, and I don't care. I turned it down, so as for its authenticity...I do not care. I was told what I was told ,by whom I was told it by, rejected the offer, and went on with my life. If it turned out to be a fake...that would have been better to know that someone was not interested in me but life goes on.

as for who believes it, I never cared about that either. I got the input I was hoping for, the situation is over, and I'm glad. I thanked those who needed to be thanked, and case closed.