Me being paranoid...or am I...paranoid

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


I don't think that the well dressed man had . . . how to put it . . .

any psychotic sort of disorder.

I somewhat doubt he was sociopathic . . .

He could be manipulative and whatever other list of psychological personality features go with black ops sorts of blokes . . .

But he sounded quite in control of himself; quite resourceful; quite confident; extra brazen; smug; arrogant; piercing . . . somehow;

not, per se, overtly flakey.

imho.

So you left a note now, did you get a response Yet?
My thought on this is that, and bear with me, the 'Being' Was in fact communicating telepathically, dogs are great receptors, and have been known as familiars or guardians for times and times past. That means your dog could've intercepted the message to protect your interests, I know you aren't into the occult, but the fact doesn't change that your dog may be a special kind of gaurdian. And this being might not have been worldy at all. Not sure what type; it may be an angel, an ET, who knows, maybe even a interdimensional being that crossed over to make you an offer.Is there any special scientific knowledge you may have? Or special knowledge of any sort? Just the fact of it being out of place or sending telepathic messages could've been what set the dog off. Regardless of the beings true intent.

Hi Paris. Brought myself up to date on the postings, and I have some further thoughts about this.

You had something very bizarre happen to you, and brought it here, as well any ATS member would have. You do not owe anybody your life story in living color because of this. You do not owe anybody photos of your dog or gun.

I would think this was just a chance happening by a stranger in a public place, and I although I would never forget it, I wouldn't be intimadated by it. Except for the other red flag.

He knows where you live, and has had the audacity to go there. (Could he have followed you home?)

There is enough of a trail here for an investigation. I would commence this asap. There were bystanders. Somebody called 911. Track the callers number from the 911 office, and listen to the tape of what they reported. Talk to that reporter. What prompted them to make the call? Interview everybody else who was there that day. Someone might have seen him get into a vehicle, or noticed other behaviors or concrete evidence you could use to locate him. Any surveillance equipment in that area you could review?

I definitely would return there often, notebook in hand, and try to talk to anybody who might have been there that day. See what they observed that I might have missed. Take some buddies.

At this point I would be more curious than frightened I guess, but that is just the way I'm wired. I would want to be the one who initiated another "meeting". Catch him off guard and let him explain himself.

I'm thinking this is just going to be some kind of random prank on his part, but I would have to know for sure, and he would have to know that I had taken the upper hand.

Investigate Investigate Investigate. If I couldn't do it myself, I would hire someone to do it for me.

Best to you.....keep us posted.

LIW

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by ladyinwaiting

 

But he sounded quite in control of himself; quite resourceful; quite confident; extra brazen; smug; arrogant; piercing . . . somehow;

not, per se, overtly flakey.

imho.

Interesting event, id like to meet this guy since he seems to know alot of things that one can learn from, but what i come to understand about this experience and what you describe is that he have made alot of work himself to understand the flow.
Since to understand that one can not dubt oneself, but imo you do not have anything to worry about since he wanted to offer you a deal and it was your choice to accept the thing or just wanted to show off hes skills abit since he probably knew you were active within this site.

This was one of the best things ive read, it could be scary at first since the unknown usually starts with fear or resemblemts.

Thanks you for sharing this.
Johan

reply to post by parisinflames


So you were walking your dog "TRIGGER", when a stranger started looking at you... wait.. glaring at you...

Before he had even got to where you were sitting you were telling people around you "I may have to use violence here, call the police".. Nice...Following the military example of "pre-emptive" violence ..Nicely done..Then he gets to you, you have your dog between you.. You're heavily trained in a boatload of holds, as well as you are probably knowledgable of vital pressure points to bring a guy down quick..oh yah.. and hes skinny and gaunt like willam dafoe..

So..... YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN..

"i didnt need to see a weapon, mine was used as a possible deterrent"

Another shell shocked officer reacting out of fear.


"And if my dog bit him, he could sue"


What if your other "TRIGGER" went off accidentally????

Put all your guns away and go do some more of that relaxing sun watching, minus the crazy "pre-emptive" guns a blazing garbage.






[edit on 6-6-2009 by SneakerChimp]

reply to post by parisinflames



In another thread you mentioned that you were a Mason.

Perhaps therein lies the crux of the matter.

There is no humor apparently. I was flamed for being a police officer and giving my opinion , and not even in anger, I was flamed for defending freemasons because..I am one and some people are ignorant to it.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by whaaa]

Originally posted by SneakerChimp
reply to post by parisinflames

 

So you were walking your dog "TRIGGER", when a stranger started looking at you... wait.. glaring at you...

Before he had even got to where you were sitting you were telling people around you "I may have to use violence here, call the police".. Nice...Following the military example of "pre-emptive" violence ..Nicely done..Then he gets to you, you have your dog between you.. You're heavily trained in a boatload of holds, as well as you are probably knowledgable of vital pressure points to bring a guy down quick..oh yah.. and hes skinny and gaunt like willam dafoe..

So..... YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN..

"i didnt need to see a weapon, mine was used as a possible deterrent"

Another shell shocked officer reacting out of fear.


"And if my dog bit him, he could sue"


What if your other "TRIGGER" went off accidentally????

Put all your guns away and go do some more of that relaxing sun watching, minus the crazy "pre-emptive" guns a blazing garbage.






[edit on 6-6-2009 by SneakerChimp]

My gun never left the holster, if you would have read correctly...shut up
accidental discharge on a double action only, trigger and grip safety semi auto pistol is impossible plain and simple.

I wasnt going to use hand to hand because my dog would have eaten him alive and I wasn't taking the chance of getting sued and having my best friend put down.I never told people " i may have to use violence" your terarted, in a potential threat situation in public, I am supposed to inform those around I am a peace officer, incase a weapon comes out, it wont cause more panic, and those around feel safer. The fact he's skinny NEVER means you underestimate a person. And by the way you explain things, and your opinions presented show me that you could not handle a situation correctly or safely at all. You would bust out pressure points, and choke holds, get real.

Maybe I am a little shell shocked, but I went through it so people like you have the freedom to bash and try to belittle the ones who risked their lives or died to uphold and protect your freedom to do so.



and do you have a problem with my dogs name? does it not suit your taste?


God I love how people play with my words



[edit on 06/02/2009 by parisinflames]

But here's an update, I was a little sidetracked a minute ago sorry


I woke up today and the paper I placed on my car was gone, there was no paper left, it was just gone.

I don't know if someone grabbed it off, or if the wind blew it, or he took it..but it is infact gone. I'm going to wait until tonight and take my usual walk again, and just see what happens.

reply to post by parisinflames


Easy there trigger.. I had the exact same thing happen to me recently..
This guy was a bit taller, gaunt and creepy..




My solution was just to turn Phantasm off.

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Some people do expect the cops to use their physical training first. Like heaven forbid there might be a chance you'll get scrapped up or even seriously hurt.

"But...were cops... we don't use physical force anymore. Sh*t, I might even break a nail. See, they trained us all this combat hand to hand to improve our dancing skills.. Were actually going to have a "Boys in Blue - Dancing with the stars"

You guys make me sick. Kind of like the cop that recently tazed the grandma.. Or the case in Vancouver with the 6 "Large" RCMP officers that were unable to detain a man with a stapler. "Sh*t, he might've punched us.. And I've got a dance recital tonight"


Yah man.. You handle situations the "safe" American way..

Kind of like the smart bombs they drop all over hospitals.. "ITS SAFE AND SMART"..."And we don't get our hands dirty".

.....

Hope your dancing recital goes well..

Paris,

Very troubling story. And unlike some trollers (usually, I just ignore them) on here who seem to want to pick apart your story for tiny little flaws, I don't see anything wrong or discontinuitous with the words you used, the sequence of events, or the fact that you are a very good writer. You are a cop and ex-military, after all, so writing reports is a big part of the job.

One thing I would have expected to see on this thread by now is the actual note he wrote. I don't know if it would mean anything at all, but it would nice to see it. Maybe there are some handwriting analyzers out there who can tell us a little something about the guy.

I am intruiged by the raction of the active duty officers to his ID. It *would* be normal to take the ID back to the car and check it - unless there was a connection to an intelligence agency. I hope the guy shows again tonight. There is a chance that he wouldn't even know that you contacted others about this. My experience with large organizations is that the larger they get, the worse the communication. Therefore, anyone monitoring your internet traffic would not necessarilly have gotten word to the recruiters yet.

How curious..

It seems to me that the main issue at hand here involves a certain "offer".
You could all too easily label this man 'psychotic' or a bit of a 'sociopath' by judging his behaviour. . But it could be something more than that.

I have to admit, the first thing that came into my head and stuck there was this thread by antar:
What you should know about lower astrals.
Of course, this may not help or give any insight but you have obviously posted on here for a reason.
And this scenario seems something out of the ordinary. . .

When I get home tonight, I will take a pic of the first note and link it. Since my car is at home, I doubt to find anything there obviously, but I will keep you all posted.

The trollers make me laugh if anything, professional analyzers, and they obviously have these amazing talents, and know the correct way to handle everything spoken of.

If only lurking in your mom's basement was a paying job.

[snip]'ing armchair commandos



[edit on 06/02/2009 by parisinflames]

Originally posted by pretty_vacant
How curious..

It seems to me that the main issue at hand here involves a certain "offer".
You could all too easily label this man 'psychotic' or a bit of a 'sociopath' by judging his behaviour. . But it could be something more than that.

I agree. Men in black belong more in the paranormal/high strangeness realm. I still think that Paris's Masonic connection may hold the key to this mystery. Paris has your girl friend experienced any anomalous events lately? Or any of your other family members? Oz factor?
UFOs seen by people close to you? Cluster effect in operation?



[edit on 6-6-2009 by whaaa]

No, she hasn't. I don't think my Masonic connection has much to do with it. I haven't been to meetings for awhile, and I have never seen any strange activity from anyone there ever. It's always just been the typical friendly cohabitation.

But I could be wrong. I will be home by around 1 am tonight, and i will update.

This is a test to see if you remember getting the offer. I'd try hypnosis and see if you can route out the memory of the offer. Or maybe that isn't a good idea. Don't know if anyone else posted simular to this, if so,please ignore. I didnt have time to go thru all the posts.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by Barkster]

Another thing, what was the purpose of him immersing in a crowd, having an audience?
He must have known something of your routine to have met you there. . .

The fact that he said "You have no idea" seems to me like he was more than ok with inflicting some form of harm on you, despite you possessing a gun, your size and your aggravated dog to boot..
The impression I received was that he was thoroughly enjoying the experience, even mocking you in a way by laughing at you.

Since you are a cop, the solution is simple -

Just carry your taser with you, a can of OC, and then when you see the guy again, pop him with the taser, mace him in the face, and then beat him within an inch of his life with a PR24 or an asp baton.

Just be sure you get the cuffs on him before you start stomping his head into the asphalt.

Then charge him with resisting arrest, criminal trespass, obstruction, or some such charge, along with possession of a controlled substance, which would of course be the small baggie of methamphetamine you planted on him as he lay on the ground unconscious and bleeding.

Also allege that he is running a meth lab out of his residence, so that any assets he may have will be seized during the search, which will obviously involve tearing his home apart, destroying his personal belongings, and charging each of his family members as accessory to conspiracy to manufacture and distribute controlled substances.

Be sure to call the state Dept. of Family and Children's services in order to have his children taken into permanent foster custody and placed into either an orphanage or a group home.

During the trial, be sure to present false and misleading evidence in order to ensure a conviction and definite prison time.

Problem solved, in a distinctly American law-enforcement kind of way!

Originally posted by SneakerChimp
reply to post by parisinflames

 

So you were walking your dog "TRIGGER", when a stranger started looking at you... wait.. glaring at you...

Before he had even got to where you were sitting you were telling people around you "I may have to use violence here, call the police".. Nice...Following the military example of "pre-emptive" violence ..Nicely done..Then he gets to you, you have your dog between you.. You're heavily trained in a boatload of holds, as well as you are probably knowledgable of vital pressure points to bring a guy down quick..oh yah.. and hes skinny and gaunt like willam dafoe..

So..... YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN..

"i didnt need to see a weapon, mine was used as a possible deterrent"

Another shell shocked officer reacting out of fear.


"And if my dog bit him, he could sue"


What if your other "TRIGGER" went off accidentally????

Put all your guns away and go do some more of that relaxing sun watching, minus the crazy "pre-emptive" guns a blazing garbage.


[edit on 6-6-2009 by SneakerChimp]

And what is YOUR background of experience in this type of scenario? Or are you just a cop hater?

Do you have any ex-military (specialized training) or know anyone who has had specialized training? Most have a sixth sense of crap about to hit the fan. It saves lives and I would trust that anyday. I am a lucky individual who can sense danger most of the time myself. It's only when I ignore that bad feeling that I get into trouble.

From what I understand he followed procedure in notifying the individual he was an off-duty officer, he gave witnesses info to explain to cops if it hit the fan.

What part do you have a problem with exactly?

I can't recall any offers that I have refused, in my military life, or in civi life.

Not even something seemingly innocent or expected like your buddies or superiors asking you to a whorehouse while in your combat days in the mid east or 'wherever'?

Nothing?? No offers of graft, take my 50 bucks or 6 grand officer, no one will notice, you deserve it.

No offers to view child or teen pornography or to take drugs or mess with the locals? No job description or volunteer deployment activity turned down?


These are some ideas for back thinking.

I am not a police person, but I feel you acted precisely to the model. I have a copy of the use of force model somewhere; it's good for regular people too who don't know how to handle violence situations. And Trigger is an excellent name.

I am sorry for what you, your pally, and your dear heart girlfriend are going through and feel there is much more the gov should and can do to reprimand the person or entity who threatenly harrassed you.

I believe this is a test in the shortcomings of law and justice. I wish we had an ATS Legal forum here.

I would caution about giving out samples of your handwriting; they can be reverse engineered to, for instance be used in the planting of a suicide note.

I would also wish to reccomend that you discuss this occurrace with your church members, being masonic and a bit up and up and out there on things unseen, they might, if even unwilling to let on or divulge be priveledged to the information if only for the opportunity to in future cases, if in the event of the other worldly of any type, be able to have at least a minimal plan of defense... for the community.

Please don't flame me. I don't think you will, but masons...otherworldly..strange talk...blah. Not something I would normally shudder to glance upon with an officer of the law.

I'm rather appalled that this conversation has degenerated to bashing law enforcement officers. Pathethic.

Everybody knows you can find "bad professionals" in every discipline from psychiatrists to surgeons, from stock brokers to accountants. They are there. Of course.

The few times in my life I have needed the police, I called them; they came; they helped me.

Our society could not function without law enforcment. Period.

And for those of you who are so closed minded that you can't stick to the topic here: SHAME ON YOU.