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reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 09:41 AM by DarkStormCrow
The Holocaust Denial industry is one of those things that make me feel like I am living in Bizarro world its like up is down and down is up. I have found that Holocaust Deniers fall into to three main catagories.

1. Judeophobes (I dont use the term anti Semite as there folks other than Jewish that are Semites)(KKK and certain so called christians)

2. Naziphiles (Who for some reason seem to think the Nazi Third Reich is a good thing and seek to rehabilitate Adolph Hitler and his Ilk in the eyes of the world)(StormFront and various Neo Nazi groups)
3. Activist Moslem Leaders (Who use Holocaust denial to rally thier people against Israel.) (Ahmadinejad and the Muslim Brotherhood.)

As someone who has actually walked the grounds at Dachau and seen the ovens,lampshades made of human skin and clothing made of human hair I have to seriously question the sanity of those involved in the denial of this immense human tragedy. While Dachau wasnt a Jewish Death Camp it was the prototype that the Nazi used in constructing other camps, Dachau was a camp that housed resistance fighters , clergy, homosexuals and other enemies of the Reich, While I would never be one to take away from some one the ability to Deny the Holocaust as I am a firm believer in free speech and thought, Truthfully by letting the Denier speak and write thier revised histories they expose themselves for the frauds and haters that they are and it is a good thing that right minded people can see them.

Previously in this thread it has been stated that there were only 6 million Jewish folks in Europe in 1939. This can be proven false by picking up any world almanac of the time period in question. Even the Nazis who were meticulous in thier record keeping put the number at 11 million in Nazi Occupied territory in 1942. You can see this by the minutes of the Wannsee Conference held in 1942. Most sources will place the numbers of the European Jeish population at 9.5-10 million.

The Wannsee Conference

The Holocaust

In 1950 there were approximately 3.5-4 million Jewish folks in remaining in Europe. So where did these Jewish folks go to?. To use Nazi terminolgy they were evacuated , used as slave labor , gassed , shot and buried in mass graves or burned in crematoria. Read your history speak to survivors and to the soldiers that liberated these camps. Also now you can look through 50 million pages of Nazi documents that were opened to the public in 2006.

Revisiting The Horrors Of The Holocaust

Germany Agrees to Open Holocaust Archive

One of the tactics used by the Holocaust Denier is the fact that more folks of other groups were killed by the Nazis, they will freely admit that the Nazis killed over 11 million Slavics, Gypsies, Communists, Witches , Mason, Astrologers, Homosexuals , Clergy and many others. The only number they will ever call into questions is the figure of 6 million Jewish folks. To deny an anti Jewish agenda on the part of the Holocaust denier is to be part of the insanty ourselves.


If someone denied that African Americans were slaves in the United States would we take this person seriously?

If someone denied the Bataan Death March took place or the Rape of Nanking took place would we take them seriously.

Would we deny that European colonialism in the New World resulted in the Death of between 10 million and 20 million Native Americans on 2 continents?


If you want to oppose the policies of the Israeli Government then oppose them based on the merits, do not bring the Holocaust into it, you have lost the arguement against the Israeli government as soon as a denial of the Holocaust comes into play.


reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 10:10 AM by Dark Ghost
reply to post by DarkStormCrow



You basically summed up what I meant to say in my previous post.

However, your post was more detailed, better worded and backed up by many accurate facts. Great post. Starred.


reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 10:34 AM by DarkStormCrow
According to Wikipedia , and I know its not the most reliable source the number of Jewish folks in Palestine was approximately 800,000 in 1948 on the eve of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War

Of course while great amounts of grief is made by Arab countries over the influx of European Jews to Israel port 1948. They tend to forget about the Jewish exodus from Arab lands

The Arabic Leaders played a significant role in the creation of Israel and did so at the expense of thier Palestinian brothers, they use the Palestinians as fodder they dont care about them one bit, any attention given to them is lip service.


reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 10:37 AM by blueorder
Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
According to Wikipedia , and I know its not the most reliable source the number of Jewish folks in Palestine was approximately 800,000 in 1948 on the eve of the
1948 Arab–Israeli War

Of course while great amounts of grief is made by Arab countries over the influx of European Jews to Israel port 1948. They tend to forget about the Jewish exodus from Arab lands

The Arabic Leaders played a significant role in the creation of Israel and did so at the expense of thier Palestinian brothers, they use the Palestinians as fodder they dont care about them one bit, any attention given to them is lip service.


tbh, the whole Israel/Palestine thing requires two states- the whole "legtimacy" of a state is largely meaningless after 60 years and millions of people reside there (especially when one has nukes!)


I just hate the way this conflict receives maximium media/political exposure, when one considers the number who die in conflicts such as Sudan or Sri Lanka


reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 02:32 PM by bobbylove321
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge



There's a ton of sources saying the 6 million Jew idea is fake and a lie. Go to Google and look it up yourself.

Every time I reference to multiple news sources people come out and say, "Oh but that's not CNN or FOX so it's fake."

So go look it up yourself, but the 6 million is bogus and a lie. Israel is a nation of lies.



reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 02:37 PM by bobbylove321
reply to post by FlyersFan



The Iranian leadership DIDN'T say it didn't happen. The U.S. media said the Iranian leadership said it didn't happen.

The president of Iran said the way Israel is saying the Holocaust happened is a lie, and that is true. It is a lie.

There's a big difference.


reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 06:05 PM by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by bobbylove321




Israel is a nation of lies.

Ok. But we can count. Let me demonstrate how counting works:
Poland. Part of Europe. Jews in 1931 - 3100000 Jews.
books.google.com...
Hungary. Part of Europe.
725000
hgs.oxfordjournals.org...
Soviet Union - Ukraine - 1.6 million
Bielorussia - 407000
Romania 700000
upload.wikimedia.org...
So, 3100000 plus 725000 plus 2000000 plus 700000 = 6500000.
6500000 is more then 6000000.
And i did not add German (240000), French (300000) , Dutch (120000) ,Yugoslavian ,Baltic countries (250000) and ctr.
So - are you Israeli? Because you just lied... There were much more then 6 million Jews in Europe in 1930s- early 1940s
Or counting is a problem? Then i hope i helped you out with that.


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 09:16 AM by ZeroKnowledge
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So since you surely know what happened in world war 2, how many Jews were in Hungary? Or in Europe? Because you know, to take all the water and heart of world from such a proud naation as Hungarians one one need a big army. So 4 or 5 Jews were in Hungary before the war to steal all Hungarian stuff??
Edit:
There was a census by Hungarians (not nDvk Jews so it must be true) in 1941. So check it out, how many Jews were in Hungary in 1941.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by ZeroKnowledge]


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 11:38 AM by ShadowIntelligence
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


If you don't know the history, that's not my problem. I just highlighted how it is really happened. If you're dark as the wet swamp sand, that's not my problem.


reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 03:51 AM by bobbylove321
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge



And count how many of the Jews left before the war actually broke out. Yes, exactly then you get a number less than 3 million. And from there on is where the lies begin.

Israel lies and is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. There were 3 reasons for World War 2:

1)Population Reduction

2)To create the United Nations

3)So the Jews move down to Israel, so that they can use it for a later excuse (remember all these people want to re-enact the bible, complete psychos)

And let us not forget it was JEWISH bankers that financed Hitler.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by bobbylove321]



reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 12:33 PM by ZeroKnowledge
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Yes. Lies is good word. When used properly. Show me, no need links to Nazi sites, just show me with numbers, how 3 millions remained and were the missing millions appeared. In what country/ies. With numbers.
The rest is just as correct as your primary idea, so lets go from lie to lie. First prove that there were 3 millions Jews in Europe prior to WW2. Or counting is again a problem?
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