Its like this, people can believe what they want to believe and nothing should be illegal

after expressing the opposition to isreal's settlement policy in WEST BANK in his Cario's speech, Obama has to do something to soothe the jews' nerves since Isreal is not listed on the schedule of Obama's visit to ME.

politically smart move.

Originally posted by wwssii
after expressing the opposition to isreal's settlement policy in WEST BANK in his Cario's speech, Obama has to do something to soothe the jews' nerves since Isreal is not listed on the schedule of Obama's visit to ME.

politically smart move.

only so long that "EVERYMAN" dance can last for

I just hope he's not going there to learn how efficiently the Nazis ran the extermination camps so he can duplicate it with today's technology here

Originally posted by redhatty
I just hope he's not going there to learn how efficiently the Nazis ran the extermination camps so he can duplicate it with today's technology here

It would be night and day I'm affraid but scary thought none the less. I hope you are wrong.

There really is nothing left to say.
We all know what happened there, and we shun anyone that denies the truth.

All we can do is remember and hope this tragedy isn't repeated.
But it already has been, and it will continue to happen.

Attempted genocide isn't restricted to the likes of Hitler, it's part of the human condition.
Do you want me to list them ???


Talk all you want Obama, it won't change American history.

No one thinks the Holocaust didn't happen. They just think it didn't happen the way in which Israel says it did.

I can't really blame them either. I mean it was not a few short months ago when Israel was lying to the world about the Palestinians being a threat when in reality the suppressors and the Nazi's were the Zionists themselves.

So how can you believe anything they say?

You can't. They are all liars.

The whole "holocaust denial" thing is obsurd, not perticularly the people who deny it, but how people respond to them.

When someone says, "it was not a jewsih holocaust, it was a holocaust of many different people" isreal labels them as "deniers/anti-semite".

or when someone says, "It is impossible to know if it was a holocaust has actualy happend, because the number of deaths are unknown" = holocaust deniers/anti-semite.

Many people have lost their jobs and are hated world round for bringing up these point, yet these points are very valid.

I myself do not deny that many many many people died, and the most likley chance is that it was a holocaust, but i dont see why the jews jump on it making out it was purley a jewish holocaust. There were many blacks, gays, gypsies and war prisoners in thouse camps, yet when everyone mentions the holocuast, its, "oh, so horrible what they did to them jews", "what about the black, cays, gypsies and war prisoners?", "Oh, well they didnt die in the holocaust, they killed them in a different time" Or some other rediclules excuse of looking past them.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
No one thinks the Holocaust didn't happen. They just think it didn't happen the way in which Israel says it did.

I can't really blame them either. I mean it was not a few short months ago when Israel was lying to the world about the Palestinians being a threat when in reality the suppressors and the Nazi's were the Zionists themselves.

So how can you believe anything they say?

You can't. They are all liars.

You are wrong. many holocaust deniers don't believe an actual holocaust happened, that the prisoners were well cared for, that only a couple of thousand Jews died from diseases that were rampant at the time, blah blah blah. That the concentration camps were Club Meds.

I've spoken to plenty of Holocaust deniers. The fairy tales and crap that these people believe is unreal.

Iran's leadership denies the holocaust. IF Obama really delivers some kind of speech that says the holocaust happened and the deniers are wrong ... then kudos to Obama for doing so.

We'll have to wait and see what he says.

The fact of the matter is that nobody can confirm anything has ever happened unless they directly experience the event themselves.

What I find striking is that nobody seems to want to question how many people Stalin killed, or Mao or Pal Pot etc. Nobody really makes jokes about these events or refer to the guards in popular culture. (When it's to do with the Holocaust, it's a different matter.)

Do you think the great grandson of a Russian who was killed by Stalin would find any jokes made about the event to be humorous?

Do you think a descendent of somebody who got killed in Cambodia would accept people questioning how many really died?

It is all a matter of respect. All you have to do is ask yourself "what is the motive for asking these questions?" Holocaust denial is very rarely about wanting to find out the truth. It is more to do with trying to cement the idea that Zionists grossly exaggerated the number of Jews killed so that they could gain enough sympathy to allow them to take Palestinian land.

Of course many secular Jews overreact when any mention of the Holocaust is made. And this is partly why "Holocaust Revisionism" will continue to grow. Also, I have seen many instances where Jews acknowledge only the Jews who died in the Holocaust. This again is something that only encourages more attention and ridicule.

There is a responsibility in the Jewish world to better educate their people that more than half the victims of the Holocaust were non-Jews.

However, this does not give people the right to defame the State of Israel by insinuating that such a horrible event was grossly exaggerated and used purely for political points to ensure its establishment. There is enough evidence available to strongly suggest that millions died in the Holocaust, and at least at one point, there was a plan to exclusively target Jews.

[edit on 5/6/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledgeAs for Obama's behaviour in general - i think that so far it is positive, he clearly wants things to calm down on every front , and US can only gain from it.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by ZeroKnowledge]

yeah, that is why he is increasing troop levels in Afghanistan- honestly, it's like David Koresh followers with some people, the abandoment of reason replaced with "hope" and "hysteria"