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Obama admits U.S. role in 1953 Iranian coup

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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by finemanm
For the US President to apologize for this Country's past conduct is atrocious. Why not apologize to Japan for nuking them, apologize to Mexico for taking California and Texas by force, apologize to the Native Americans for taking their land, apologize to the Chileans for rigging their elections, etc...

This is just another step towards Obama's goal of diminishing this Country. This is Change I can really believe in.


to apologize for past conduct is atrocious?
what kind of thinking is that anyhow?
is that even an opinion?

it's disgusting to apologize for past behavior?
wow dude
I guess i've finally heard it all

And as far as why not apologize for this and that... well
maybe he will, maybe those apologies will come
who knows

but what is very much a current issue is the islamic world
telling them that the cia overthrew their govt. is not going to increase terroism.
they all already know this
if anything they will apreciate his honesty
that might help curb terroism

but to say that saying sorry for past conduct is atricious is quite atrocious.




posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by David9176
He has been attacked by many people over his speech.

I don't like Obama much at all and hate almost ALL of his policies.

But damn...give credit where it is due. I've seen many just trashing this and I don't understand why no one wants the war to end?

We need peace. I thought he did a good job...even though there are still bombs dropping in the distance. I don't know what people were expecting him to say....but he was trying to bridge the gap of the strongly religious minded.

He also talked about Martin Luther King and how change can happen peacefully.

We need some common sense and learn to live with each other and our differences!

And on top of that...we don't have the money..we're destroying our economy and we need to fix our problems at home.



[edit on 4-6-2009 by David9176]



The only credit due toward POTUS Obama lies in his ability to consistently and utterly trash us while on his Overseas "Apology Tours". He did nothing but criticize America, Americans, and our Military, which is NOT the place of our leader when visiting International Locales. He also made himself look weak, timid, and downright naive, which will serve as nothing but a tool for encroachment and pressure to be placed upon us by our enemies and critics.

I also find it utterly hypocritical and ignorant that quite often the Liberal Americans are the ones constantly claiming that we need to respect the cultures of others, yet, at the same time they themselves are the individuals who completely lack any such understanding whatsoever. The individuals towards whom Obama was speaking, DO NOT respect Affability, Charm, nor Indecisiveness, as to the contrary, they respect Strength, Firmness, and Tenacity. Do you see men in Afghanistan and Pakistan skipping the streets with flowers and candy in tow? NO, they carry Knives and Rifles. Why? Because a weapon represents STRENGTH, it is as much a piece of apparel as it is a tool in likewise cultures. In Yemen, men customarily wear Daggers in their sash, again, as it represents Strength and Courage, not Nicety or Warmth. President Obama just made himself appear as the pushover he truly is, and he did nothing but to ensure us that true entrails into the Muslim world will not be made under his reign.

As for the War which you are discussing above, you speak of learning to live with eachother, but honestly, who is it that has the issue with such? America is FULL of Immigrants from EVERY Nation, Race, Ethnicity, and Religion the world over, and WE DO get along peacefully. YET, the Nations and people towards whom Obama was speaking today, are some of the most intolerable grouping of individuals the World over. They are the ones whom attacked us on 9/11, they are the ones who regularly slaughter innocent Women and Children, THEY are the ones killing uninvolved individuals in the name of Religion. So you tell me, who are the ones who need to "learn to live peacefully"?

As for the issue of Money, how can you place a price-tag upon the issuance of our Safety and Security? Isolationism and Neutrality, both of which you seem to believe in, have PROVEN themselves to be utter failures in terms of International Relations. If we do not forcefully face down our problems abroad, we will most certainly be confronting them at home. In that aspect you are correct, except it will not be the domestic based issues which you believe, but rather a penetrative international one brought about due to our failures overseas.

Do not get me wrong, I have agreed with you on MANY issues pertaining to politics before, but International Relations is simply not one of them.


As for POTUS Obama's "Iranian Shah" comment, there again we bear witness to a leader who is willing to hang this Nation out to dry, simply to support himself and his own self image.

[edit on 6-4-2009 by TheAgentNineteen]



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by finemanm
The United States government has done many things covertly in the world post WWII. Before WWII we were mostly a protectionist/isolationist country.

After WWII, the CIA was created and this country became in the Cold War. The CIA, NSA, and US covert military branches did many things to accomplish two goals:

a) To prevent the spread of communism, and
b) To protect US fiscal and economic interests abroad.

If you are from Iran, Vietnam, several South American countries and others, you have a rightful gripe about US foreign interventionism. However, these activities were always conducted with the best interest of the US in mind. Agree or disagree if you like, but that is the facts.

This type of activity has been carried out by the former USSR, UK, France, Germany, and every other powerful nation in this World's history.

For the US President to apologize for this Country's past conduct is atrocious. Why not apologize to Japan for nuking them, apologize to Mexico for taking California and Texas by force, apologize to the Native Americans for taking their land, apologize to the Chileans for rigging their elections, etc...

This is just another step towards Obama's goal of diminishing this Country. This is Change I can really believe in.


For those here disagreeing with the above get over it - it is true.
It is hard to swallow, and hard to understand but it is a fact.

Domestic US politics has almost always been about its role in foriegn relations - conservatives push for a isolationist stance - hence Ron Paul, however the neo-cons were actually disaffected democrats (true).

Anyway - there are several driving factors - the spread of capitalism (usually phrased as democracy), which necessarily required the opposition to communism HENCE Vietnam and Korean wars.

The power politics of global affairs required geo-political thinking, which is control over spheres of influence - a significant one has been south east Asia - Australia - but also Singapore and Indonesia.

Of course control of oil is the most significant factor of all.

The US has used the CIA to manipulate regimes around the world to install favourable leadership to US corporations - this has meant a consistent favouritism to despotic dictators who will allow US businesses into their countries to exploit the resources and spread US corporations.

It must be also noted that mimlitary invasions generally lead to democracy and capitalisation as countries attempt to recover from the horrors of war - socialism only comes about in very wealthy and stable countries and is the next phase AFTER capitalism (socialism is not an antithesis of democracy).

For a better understanding on these issues please read ;

"Economic Hitmen" and "A game as old as empire" also excellent on this issue is john pilger " New Rulers of the World" and Chomsky "Hegemeny or Survival"....

Its all true -



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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Excellent post. There are certain realities in the world that just aren't as pretty and idealistic as we would like for them to be.

When we are children we are taught all kinds of wonderfully idealistic things like sharing and playing nice with the other kids, but when we become adults, we learn, often too late, that the world is a harsh place. It is a place of eat or be eaten.

Obama's speech was beautiful in its idealism and naiveté; however, I want my leader to be a realist, a pragmatist, and an ADULT, not a idealistic child.

But I don't really believe that he is a child. I believe that it is part of his well thought out agenda to diminish this country's standing in the world. I know foreigners hate when us Americans chant USA, USA at the Olympics or shout USA number one! but that is the way we feel. You should too about your country. Your leaders should ruthlessly do everything they can to make your life better.

But beware, if your leaders do something to make my life worse, I hope my government does not allow it. I am glad my Country has the biggest stick on the block. If you don't like it, move here, its nice.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by finemanm
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Excellent post. There are certain realities in the world that just aren't as pretty and idealistic as we would like for them to be.

When we are children we are taught all kinds of wonderfully idealistic things like sharing and playing nice with the other kids, but when we become adults, we learn, often too late, that the world is a harsh place. It is a place of eat or be eaten.

Obama's speech was beautiful in its idealism and naiveté; however, I want my leader to be a realist, a pragmatist, and an ADULT, not a idealistic child.

But I don't really believe that he is a child. I believe that it is part of his well thought out agenda to diminish this country's standing in the world. I know foreigners hate when us Americans chant USA, USA at the Olympics or shout USA number one! but that is the way we feel. You should too about your country. Your leaders should ruthlessly do everything they can to make your life better.

But beware, if your leaders do something to make my life worse, I hope my government does not allow it. I am glad my Country has the biggest stick on the block. If you don't like it, move here, its nice.


No i disagree -

The exceptionally modern notion of sovereignty is in reality only about one hundred years old at the very best - I significantly prefer the notion of cultural identity.

Sovereignty is a notion cooked up by nefarious leaders to engender loyalty from the masses for a ready and willing supply of loyal subjects for war and other nefarious purposes - it is at the very heart of the wholesale slaughter of innocents in World War One and Two - prior to this notion of national fervour people were independent and armies needed to pay mercenaries in order to fight for their sovereign petty power grabs.

Cultural identity has no borders, is defined by customs, language and traditions and is the antithesis of what you have described.

It is very much where Obama and other NWO icons are .ed towards which is dismantling the nationalistic frontiers created during post colonialism (after 1945).

In reality the US is the oldest country on earth, hard to fathom but this is the absolute truth. All the others were only formed recently with Germany only being established in 1991.

The loyalty and commitment you feel towards your country is a manufactured one - in reality you are only expressing a personal desire of self recognition projected through national identity -which is entirely constructed. It is no different to supporting a football team which was made last week and the feelings of genuine personal connection expressed through this teams accomplishments as a reflection of personal vindication and acheivement - it is in short parochial petty mindedness.

The NWO seeks to move to a more culturally oriented and nationalisticly disenfranchised system - there are inredible dangers however with this - and I personally would like to see countries return to much - MUCH smaller entities - with what is known as Balkanisation occurring in the US and have states returned to being countries - similar with Australia -

Real thinking requires some hard realities to be accepted.




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