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Debris removed from the Atlantic is not from the airplane of Air France, says Aeronautics

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posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by tarifa37

Originally posted by komp_uk
I am sorry about the following video
please forgive me.



I am sorry but it is unforgivable posting a video that does not work.


"The URL contained a malformed video ID." ?




posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:04 AM
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I hope not and I did ask for mercy before posting it... but it is as plausible reason as we have (even tho its complete fiction)..

With nothing else to go on properly it was kind of apt for that moment...

quick lets get to page 7



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:09 AM
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Can not verify this. Found at :

www.sfgate.com.../n/a/2009/06/02/international/i073521D62.DTL

Found in comment section
vkkv6/2/2009 4:48:30 PM

* 61 French
* 58 Brazilians
* 26 Germans
* 9 Chinese
* 9 Italians
* 6 Swiss
* 5 Britons
* 5 Lebanese
* 4 Hungarian
* 3 Irish
* 3 Norwegians
* 3 Slovakians
* 2 Americans
* 2 Moroccans
* 2 Poles
* 2 Spanish
* 1 Argentinian
* 1 Austrian
* 1 Belgian
* 1 Canadian
* 1 Croatian
* 1 Danish
* 1 Dutch
* 1 Estonian
* 1 Filipino
* 1 Gambian
* 1 Icelandic
* 1 Romanian
* 1 Russian
* 1 South African
* 1 Swedish
* 1 Turk



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by lunchmanstan
I believe the debris feild found by the Brazilians indicates that the plane would have had to turn around. To me that dosent make sence because if you have time to turn around a plane at 400+ miles an hour you should have time to radio a distress call. This wasnt a fighter jet turning on a dime. So I beleive they are looking in the wrong place.

Weird to I would have expected all planes to be constantly tracked on some country's radar at all times. I guess that this is not the case though.



There are site which track flights such as www.flightexplorer.com...

I'm assuming the technology does cover the entire globe though. Seems to work over the North Atlantic.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:14 AM
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As said before.

Why could they not triangulate that mobile phone when it was ringable?

Something smells fishy here.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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Here's a BBC article claiming the same thing: Debris 'not from Air France jet'


Debris recovered from the Atlantic by Brazilian search teams is "sea trash" and not from a lost Air France jet, a Brazilian air force official has said.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:25 AM
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maybe ufo debris was found with the other debris...ok...but others here have had that thought too, so i'm not the only one. missle debris, maybe.
or it just could be that airbus has a crappy plane, and they don't want anybody to find out because of all the money they would have to pay out in lawsuits.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
maybe ufo debris was found with the other debris...ok...but others here have had that thought too, so i'm not the only one. missle debris, maybe.
or it just could be that airbus has a crappy plane, and they don't want anybody to find out because of all the money they would have to pay out in lawsuits.


Maybe the Yeti was stuck in the engines.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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This sounds like something from The Langoliers. Who knows something happened here and it's might be too incredulous to believe. Perhaps that "storm" opened a portal and they just disappeared.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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whoa this is a strange story... i love ATS for this reason, up-to-date breaking info constantly about the bizare, the unheard, the little heard, the paranormal.. the abnormal.. my dad and brother believe the plane has gone thru a hole in time ala stephen king's langoliers. the damn thing just disappeared, what else could it be..



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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Here's what happened...The final moments:

Experts have reconstructed the last minutes of the Airbus A330 using messages sent by the plane’s computer:


BBC


The most notable conclusion from the messages is that in the final moments, all the plane's important systems failed.

And at 2.14am GMT, Air France HQ received the last communication: THE CABIN PRESSURE IS DROPPING!

Here is what happened:

• At about 2am GMT, the pilot of the Airbus sent a manual signal. The plane was flying through a storm with black, electrically-charged clouds and strong winds and lightning. It battled against winds of around 160kmh.

• Quoting Air France information, Hamburg aviation expert Heinrich Großbongardt reported: “There was then for two to three minutes a flood of error messages: The navigation system failed, then display screens went blank.”

• The computer system was moved to an alternative energy supply.

• In the plane, an alarm was sounded. Passengers will probably have been sitting in the dark, expecting the worst.

• At 2.13am GMT, all important controls failed. Speed, height and direction could no longer be controlled.

• At 2.14am, the cabin pressure dropped.

Then the plane, with 228 people on board, fell into the Atlantic Ocean.


Now the point is, though modern aircraft are capable of flying in rough weather conditions, but what was the necessity of flying through a high intensity storm? Why can't airlines have SOPs to circumvent storm systems? Are they trying to save fuel and keep within the schedule? But what about the safety of passengers? Is saving fuel more important?

This incident just goes to show that aircraft stand no chance in a severe thunder storm in spite of on board redundant systems .

Guys, the next time you fly over the ocean, do check out the weather systems en route before boarding!!


Source



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Here are the pictures taken of the fireball seen:









Here is the link to the translated google page:

Translation




If these pictures are real has anyone noticed the massive storm surrounding the fireball?? Whats that ? you don't see any storm? strange I thought they were in the middle of a massive one??



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:47 AM
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Air France renamed the flight Rio-Paris from AF-447 to AF-445, the change takes effect next Sunday (7).

Folha de SP - source



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by TheCoffinman
whoa this is a strange story... i love ATS for this reason, up-to-date breaking info constantly about the bizare, the unheard, the little heard, the paranormal.. the abnormal.. my dad and brother believe the plane has gone thru a hole in time ala stephen king's langoliers. the damn thing just disappeared, what else could it be..



You mean a portal like this?




posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by komp_uk
As said before.

Why could they not triangulate that mobile phone when it was ringable?

Something smells fishy here.


I always fail at searching, but what mobile phone?



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Sakrateri
If these pictures are real has anyone noticed the massive storm surrounding the fireball?? Whats that ? you don't see any storm? strange I thought they were in the middle of a massive one??


NO! I don't see any CB clouds/storm system.
Looks like a beautiful summer's day! But I thought the crash occurred at night? Those pics are obviously a hoax!


Cheers!



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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No one is claiming loss of another jet, I was just thinking of it as a possibility. If discovered debris originates from an aircraft, and jet fuel was found in the area, then it could be possible that two jets collided midair. But that is just a speculation of what could have happened. Let us wait and see.

First of all, I'd like to know whether debris found so far originates from a jet airplane. Then can we discuss more. Same for the fuel.

And considering the fuel-first report indicated that fuel found in the ocean is jet fuel, and that there are are no traces of explosive in it. After this newest reports that indicated that debris is not that of the lost Air France airliner, a report came out which indicated that the fuel is diesel, probably from a ship. I know that diesel used to power ship engines and kerosene used as jet fuel are similar, but...



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Manouche
For what it's worth... News from the French side. France has never officially confirmed the Brazilian findings. Air France or the French government have been very cautious from the beginning saying they had no information about what the Brazilians have found, they couldn't comment and they were still looking for the plane.
French military jets are searching in another zone in the Atlantic. It is not reported where exactly or I couldn't find. It's said that Brazil and France are coordinating their actions so that is why they are not searching the same locations. I think if France believed the Brazilians had found the "real" debris, they would have rushed in the zone. But they didn't. They kept searching elsewhere. I think France knew from the start it couldn't be the real debris.
There were very conflicting reports about the zone the plane has disappeared. Many of them pointed to an area near the Canary Islands. Days after, it looks like it is still confused. I am short of a satisfying explanation.



I find it kind of interesting that France didn't rush into the zone, where the Brazilians said they found debris. Sounds like France knew they wouldn't find "real" debris from the Air France flight there.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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nice map but your explanation is too simple.. too mundane for me.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 09:04 AM
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? didnt see no video, link me again?



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