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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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PM told to go as minister quits


news.bbc.co.uk

James Purnell has stepped down from the cabinet and told Prime Minister Gordon Brown to "stand aside".

In a letter to the Sun and the Times, the work and pensions secretary said he was not seeking the leadership but wanted to trigger a debate.

Mr Purnell is the third cabinet member to announce in the past few days that they are standing down from cabinet.

BBC political editor Nick Robinson said it was the first direct challenge to Mr Brown from a cabinet minister.
(visit the link for the full news article)


[edit on 4/6/2009 by Mirthful Me]




posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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This is the seismic event that could trigger the tidal wave that takes out the current Prime Minister and possibly triggers a general election.

Rumors of a growing conspiracy among backbenchers to oust Mr Brown have been rife over the past week or two. Now it is completely undeniable:


Live coverage of the resignation here! -

news.bbc.co.uk...

Surely the days of this government are now numbered. Opposition parties can largely sit back and watch it destroy itself....


news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 4/6/2009 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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If Brown is ousted which looks extremely likely, a general election would have to be called.
The country would not stand for another unelected leader from a party that is totally incompetent.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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I agree. The momentum now seems unstoppable!

Are you watching the live commentary (linked to above)? They've just said so many leading Labour MPs are now against Brown's continued leadership that it's difficult to see who would be willing to join him in the cabinet even if he decided he wants to limp on!

Although Labour would doubtless lose a general election, many Labour MPs realize they are more likely to keep their seats under a new leader than under the present one.

What an irony: a party forcing an election they can't win! Extraordinary.

Stop Press: David Milliband has decided to stay put. I suppose staying on board a sinking ship is a noble act...





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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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This is an interesting way to take down a hated PM.I guess the ones who are staying put are doing so to ensure that in case Brown survives this they won't be sacked.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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You could be right about their motivation. But it depends on who gains the leadership: you could envisage certain candidates wanting to dissociate themselves from Brown's government as far as possible.

Boy this is going to get nasty. A political bloodbath.

I know this is going to sound surreal, but does anyone think the labour party might go as far as to conspire to bring back Blair?

The way things are going, they are certainly going to need a desperate solution.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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Oh crap here come the Tories again.

Vote Lib Dem please !



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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If you're that anti-Conservative you'd better vote for them yourself. Labour is handing them such a poisoned chalice it could put the nail in their coffin for yet another generation.

So is 4 years too high a price to pay? *cat whines as it lands among the pigeons*

I certainly agree with your tacit implication that Labour is now so shambolic the best thing that could happen to it is a catastrophic defeat leading to a complete shake-up and possible reinvigoration.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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No I must admit I'm not afraid of the current incarnation of the Tories however what I am afraid about is having them at the helm of the country during the turbulence which is about to come.

All conspiracies of doomsday aside, big war and big economic shutdown is going to happen, and probably during the next term (I'd say very likely), maybe I am a paranoid conspiracy freak, but at the least I say big war and big economic problems.

The traditional Tory means of handling this, is going to make things hard for us in England, faster than I had hoped. 4 years in power only ? I doubt it, 8 years more like, if we are lucky, because 4 years is just a rocky ride into another rocky ride.

I wish had faith that a party who wasn't one of the big two could win, I guess your right I will have to vote this time.

Sure people will blame whatever power is in control at the time of the meltdown, but they will also expect that party to see the fix through, traditionally that means 8 years at least, unless Labor magics up the Messiah from somewhere.

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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:56 PM
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I don't think they would pick a former PM.In these situations whatever party is in control will look for a fresh face while the opposing party makes whoever they shove forward as leader look like it's the same old same old.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 07:06 PM
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Starred your very thoughtful post. Reading between the lines I see you are by implication backing up your pro Lib-Dem position: we all know Tony Blair turned out as gun-ho as the Iron Lady.

You almost persuade me to consider voting LibDem.


The question you leave me is: 'Would 8 years of political correctness be a price worth paying?'

But looking at it that way, war becomes quite an attractive option...



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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The Tories are about the only party with any track record of putting straight Labour's economic fudge ups. It will mean hardship for the country, but to be honest we've been molly coddled by labour handing out money like it's going out of fashion that a period of austerity and leaner budgets might actually be a good thing for the country and us Brits.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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Seriously ? How quickly we forget Thatcher.

At the end of the day I'm not blind, hard choices need to be made, belt tightening, bridge building, etc

But the Tories do not really have a strong leadership, David Cameron, will be a less openly stupid version of a hybrid between Blair and Bush, pushed into traditional party lines in order to maintain control of his party once the initial election is over.

Given the support shown on a grassroot level for the BNP and UKiP, the Torys will mess around holding us out of Europe until we are in such a weak position that we have no choice but to go in on other countries terms.

Now I know a lot of people support the idea of remaining truly independent, but get real people, when TSHTF, better to be part of a community rather than a faded memory of an imperial power.

We will be taxed hard, policed hard, and the corporations will gain further powers in England as our government kowtows to their blood money.

Now things wouldn't be much better under labor, but they will have the grace to pretend they aren't doing it, and who knows what the heck the lib dems would do, honestly I have no idea, but I can see labor bouncing back after 4 years if somehow the Lib Dems managed to get into office, and a real younger wave of Labour MPs manage to rise up in the interim.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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Thatcher did some god awful things yes, but she also did quite a bit of good and alot of what she did was necessary, considering the mess they inherited from the last labour Government. Needless to say, whatever Thatcher did, it cannot have been that bad as the Tories survived an election after she left.

Labour on the other hand have managed to basically repeat what they did last time and leave the country close to Bankruptcy in their quest to give money to everyone, taxing the working people to the hilt and ruining the economy. They are still hardcore socialists at heart and everytime they ruin the country with their social experiments.

Looking at preliminary reports from the elections yesterday, it would seem that Labour have been blown out of the water and I really see no way for them back after this.

The only reason they got in in 1997 was because they underwent a major shift under Blair, but even that was proven to be just a veneer with the old "tax and spend" policies still being there under the skin.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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To be honest you can say that the current situation is all Labor fault but I think that's a massive over simplification of whats going on at the moment, in terms of global affairs, sure a lot of that could be said to be Blair's fault, he certainly didn't help the situation.

Truth is though that if the Tory's had been in charge we would still be in the same mess we are in now, because they would have been into Bush even more, heck you could easily speculate we would be in an even worse mess.

Now Brown is incompetent, he knew he would never be Prime Minister if we were allowed to vote on it, he did not do a sterling job even when he was working under Blair, and has done an even worse one as PM, also clearly Labor don't have an obvious candidate to step up to the front, and so they are pretty screwed, him doubly because he will be remembered as the one who made the mess, even though really its a lot of different things, including his predecessor's terms.

So who do we vote for now ? I said it in another thread that came up about uk voting recently, its like asking what kind of stick you want to be beaten with, metal or wood, I'd rather not be beaten by a stick at all but there's no magic wand option.

I think the Tories will take the country in the wrong direction, true I don't see any party stepping up and taking us in a real right direction, but I do think things will be unnecessarily rough under the Tories rule, and I would expect THEM to get at least 8 years out of it, and depending on global affairs and labor maybe even longer, we could see some viscous english neo con ideology developed in the not too distant future, something I do not want to see.

Labor is not going to win, Lib Dem's are the only option that MAY surprise everyone, and maybe we need a really fresh hand on the rudder.

Also "tax and spend" is surely better then "tax and embezzle", again i feel the argument is like choosing the flavor of your poison.

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posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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Also "tax and spend" is surely better then "tax and embezzle", again i feel the argument is like choosing the flavor of your poison.

I understand the 'anything but the Tories' position. But in the light of recent events Labour doesn't exactly outshine the rest when it comes to trustworthiness.

So many people are going to be confused by the quandries you have laid out that I forsee even UKIP gaining an interesting number of seats.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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Gordon Brown Live News Conference coming onstream in a few minutes:

Live Stream

What should really be a resignation speech will most likely be a lame duck trying to sell the unsellable. The pressure from colleagues is now a double whammy as the results of the local elections pour in: blue, blue, blue, blue...

Resignation or the most cringe-worthy press-conference in recent history?


[edit to add:]

I've heard quite enough, thank you:

"The lesson we have learned from the last three weeks is that we must press a...."

Utter buffoonery.






[edit on 5/6/09 by pause4thought]



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