Analysis and Debunking of Obama's Speech to the Muslim World

reply to post by masonwatcher

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Wow that was an extreme statement you just made. Why does this hit your emotional chord hmmm? Have you an investment in this? When someone criticizes or questions you come out swinging. Slow down with the punches and show some tolerance you want others to have, or should we say that is for others!

Not an Obama fan, but sorry, the fabrication of Israel has nothing to do with true followers of Judaism. It is opposed by them to this day. It is the Zionists who persecuted the "Jews" even under "Nazi" Germany. Millions of "Jews" where not killed in WWII. Much of the expulsion of Jews is more likely the work of Zionists who are infiltrators of Judaism and fabricators of the term "Jew".

The act of Obama has to differentiate itself from it's predecessors. This is just an act. The idea that "Obama" fabricates US policy is just a way of promoting the concept of the "President" as dictator. The President has no such authority and the federal system is not truly a controlling power over the states. The purpose of these tours and speeches is to perpetuate the idea of the President as dictator and the central government as ruling over the states. What these "Presidents" say has little or no merit. Sides are played off each other ad perpetuity. It's just a stage act. Yes, some policy of the NWO/Illuminati may is always at work.

Oh yes ! Obama is an anti-Semite. That is why he has David Axelrod as top advisor and campaign strategist and Rahm Emmanuel as White House Chief of Staff to name only a couple of Jewish people around him

Couple of things...1st no where in his speech does he say he is Muslim or that his father was Muslim, simply stated he has Muslim family members from his fathers side, check your own quote, finemanm. 2ndly, I'm not one too throw someone I don't know under a bus, but you kind of sound like your lumping all Muslims into a single gigantic group of extremist, I hope you are smart enough to know they are not all terrorist, 1% or so are crazy, but no more crazy in my eyes than the Sunday Morning Evangelicals who talk craziness about the world only being 5000 years old, or the Mormons who think Eden is in Missouri. Or God put Dinosaur bones on Earth to test or faith or a laundry list of other American Religious movements that have taken hold. Basically, all I took from your multiple posting rant is your not okay at all with anything that's not Christian or American. Buddy you need to really stop for a minute and reel yourself back in from the point of no return. I have never seen so many people rush to point out their hate and bigotry like some of you on here, it actually surprises me, I don't know why...

We can't keep going around the world telling everybody else what to do and how to go about that. Who are Americans to tell anyone what to think or say. You sound like a Fascist, you realize. Americans have developed a sense of entitlement that the rest of the world is bent on taking away. We can either conform to the changes needed for a safer and more tolerant world. Or we are doomed to be hated and loathed by the world at large. Personally I just want my kids to live in a world where they have choice and freedom of mind and free will.

reply to post by FlyersFan

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I have no problem with snubbing the "Israelis" we have been kissing their butts far too long.

But as usual the speech is nothing but political garbage to make the public happy and the middle east happy.

I Also noticed that Obama is a "Christian" when he is in the US and turns into a "Muslin" when he is in the middle east, I wonder what he will be when he goes to India and China.

I guess is call diversification.

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It sounds like to me America has been duped the same way the 9/11 job was infiltrated.

Or he wants peace between the Muslim and Christian world, and which Biblical character would do that you have to ask?

Or he is scared he might have another terrorist attack on America and it will be of his own doing so he is grovelling up to Islam as Dhimmi's do, he might give them some money just in case they make more threats.

It might be a blessing and finally Muslims might be set free to believe in some form of Christianity and the Middle East changes for the better, but I doubt it, prophecy says no to that meaning he cannot change the leopards spots.

Unless of course Egypt changes for the better and joins with the aid to help Israel since they are not enemies and have a common enemy such is the palistines.

The scarey part is seeing Bin Laden video's they seem so related its scarey.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by The time lord]

reply to post by marg6043

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He is outsourcing his faith

reply to post by Manouche

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Darn I didn't think about that one, you are right he is outsourcing religion all over the world.

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The Saudi flag is not a symbol of Islam, although the 'shahada' is included per the Saudi population being 100% Islam. Form of association really, between culture and religion. The two swords with a tree in the middle is a symbol of culture. The curved sword is a form of art. I fail to see both; the relevance to this topic, and the point you were attempting to make.

Regards,

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Now I really shouldn't have to educate anyone but we don't need this

constant religious bias on every single thread I read about Obama.

Since everyone is shooting down Islam/Muslims, how about a quick history

lesson on the start of the new world after the fall of the romans. The

roman dictator Constantine embraced Christianity on his deathbed and

instated it into Roman law upon his death. At first the newly founded

Christian religion was tolerant of other religions then they turned south

and started to systematically kill and burn anything to do with the old ways

of Pagan Symbolism. With this the world lost years (ruffly 2000) of

scientific progress, a world that was known to be round since ancient

Alexandria was now thought to be flat, women no longer had a place when

put next to a man, and anything scientific was thought To be magic or

witchcraft. If anything what Obama said is quite true, the Muslims may not

have invented many of these new forms of math and scientific devices.

BUT IT WAS THE MUSLIMS THAT SALVAGED MANY MANY MANY PAGAN

WORKS AND KEPT THEM AND MADE COPIES, THEREFOR GIVING THE

MUSLIM WORLD CREDIT FOR ALOT OF WORKS THAT WERENT THEIR

OWN. THE CHRISTIANS ON THE OTHER HAND SOUGHT OUT TO BURN

AND COMPLETELY DESTROY ANYTHING PAGAN AND DID A DAMN FINE

JOB OF SETTING US BACK A HECK OF A LONG TIME. THE STUPIDER THE

PEOPLE ARE THE EASIER THEY ARE TO CONTROL, SIMPLY PUT. IN

CONCLUSION WITHOUT THE MUSLIM WORLD OUR WORLD AS WE KNOW

IT WOULD STILL BE LEFT IN THE DARK AGES THINKING THAT FIRE WAS

THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE LIGHT. Thank you christianity I would know alot

less with you.


P.S. ANCIENT BABYLON WAS LOCATED SOUTH OF BAGHDAD I'D SAY THATS PRETTY MUCH THE MUSLIM REGION WOULDNT YOU. AND SINCE THE MUSLIMS SALVAGED ALL OF THE PAGAN SCIENTIFIC WORKS WE WOULDN'T BE ANYWHERE WITHOUT THEM. IT IS THE RELIGIOUS BIAS OF CHRISTIANITY THAT MAKES THE WORLD THINK THAT MUSLIMS SIMPLY PILAGED, RAPED, AND BURNED ALL IN THEIR PATH, THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE SAVIORS OF MODERN SCIENCE AND MATHMATICS.

MY TWO CENTS TO THIS BIAS POPULATION. GREAT SPEECH PRESIDENT OBAMA, GREAT SPEECH. ALSO THANK YOU MUSLIM WORLD.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by NoJoker13]

Before Obama ever got elected I told people that he would try kissing everyone's butt and making friends with the enemy. He was elected and this is exactly what he is doing.

Please research his official "seal" which shows the sun rising over the American flag and the Muslim prophecy that has to do with that.

Here is a hint... MAHDI

God bless.

I thought it was a stunning and well thought out speech. Maybe his best.

Consider this... If in the aftermath of 9/11 while the United States had the sympathy of the world including most of the Muslim states... bush minor had given a speech like this reaching out to the Arab world and addressing not only the differences that divide us but the issues that unite us as well... the history of the past 8 years could have been vastly different...

But no... he got all bellicose and aggressive and used it as an excuse to invade Afghanistan, which I will give him, but Iraq as well which did us far more damage than good throughout the world.

I was pretty amazed how he said the Islam had ushered Enlightment for the Western world [something in that line]...right some parts of Arabia where tolerant before the Enlightment but that period was really a western product, French, German, English, Italian Spanish, Dutch and Scandinavian etc. etc. By Moses Mendelssohn, Immanuel Kant etc.
That is the whole problem in Islam in this day and age, they have not experienced enlightment in their religion, that's why we see the rebirth of such fundamentalists today across the world..
And btw, Marocco was not the first country to recognize US independence, it were the Netherlands.





[edit on 5-6-2009 by Foppezao]

What do you mean official seal? Obama has his own personally-designed official seal?

reply to post by finemanm

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this is coming from a hindu agnostic ....

another stupid christian zionist thread based on bashing Islam . level of american stupidity , people can write such BS for trying to cover up for the genocide that USA has waged in ME , its disgusting

despite the fact that the satanist-jewish zionist NWO is screwing Christians and muslims and trying to inflame t hem against each other , most people are still in 'lalala' land , believed propaganda like a sheeple

looking at the kind of things americans preach , the russians use the right term for americans : 'yankistani goyim '

, when the jews and their NWO bring a communist revolution to USA , only then will the Americans awaken to see their real enemy

That is wrong on so many levels... up until the 17th century the Islamic world was the most technologically advanced in the world.

The work of Islamic scholars at the height of the middle ages helped bring Aristotle to the west and the universities of Cordova and Cairo among others where the best in the world at the time.

Some points which I disagree with OP on:

1. You misinterpret. Obama said his "father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims". This does not mean that Obama Sr was Muslim but in fact came from a family which for generations are Muslim. In fact he was born Muslim but he became an atheist by choice prior to entering the United States. Oddly enough. Obama Sr's own father was a Roman Catholic who converted to Islam.
source: en.wikipedia.org...

2. Yes so he fluffed up the Arabs a bit, made them feel good. Why not? Anyway you might say its implicit in the wordings, however at no point did he say the Arabs were the sole inventors or founders of those technologies to the exclusion of every other culture. Anyway my belief is that technologies often times spring up together across different cultures at the same time.

3. About Obama blaming the previous administration, are you advocating we do not call a duck, a duck but lie about it? Anyway where is the jab at the Bush administration? The only jab you see are the ones you are imagining.

4. About the Israel Palestinian situation: You advocate not dwelling on the past in the above point & yet this does not seem to apply to Palestinian's past. Stick to one stance please otherwise its seems a bit hypocritical when you start choosing when to use the past as a way to support your argument.

Gonna end off here first as I'm running out of time. Rest of your post is really seeing things where there isn't any. I don't understand why you would say things like "Muslim will never accept Israel". That sounds like a hate rant & is just presumptuous.

You are, what we say locally, picking bones from an egg.

Yep he had to re-address the consitution again with Bible because the Holy Spirit was at work and he could not confront it, made him weary I guess.
Test the spirits the Bible says.

I think some middle east peace might be garnered if he continues to talk like that. I give up on figuring out if he is Christian or Muslim or what, imo he probably fed us a line to get elected, but what politician doesn't? I have been uneasy about it in the past, and while it does seem he has more affection for Islam than Christianity, if his bullcrap talks can start some peace and people talking over there, then I personally couldn't care less anymore what his spiritual beliefs are; if he can string some ridiculous stories together and it gets those people in the ME to ooh and awe all over themselves like it did, and it starts them thinking about putting some of their differences aside then I guess he has some kudos coming.





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I am not talking about exact science and political science, i mean the philosophy as a reaction on the dogmatic authority beliefs..The [human] reason and mankind as the centre of interest, instead of god and religion.
Look up some Enlightment literature, you will not find a single muslim name, and more important look at today's communities, most Muslim communities are not enlighted, give me a single muslim nation which has the tolerance and free society like we have in Europe for instance...



[edit on 5-6-2009 by Foppezao]