Originally posted by exponent
NIST NCSTAR 1-3C p229-233
This is not the FEMA 403 Appendix C WTC7 segment, but identifiable material from WTC1/2 (Steel from WTC7 was not uniquely marked)
From the NIST NCSTAR 1-3C p229:
Of all the recovered steel examined, this was the only case where this degradation was observed on a perimeter column or core column.
Really? What about the other sample from WTC 7? I guess that doesn't count since it's from 7?
Finally, as this piece was clearly in a prone position during the corrosive attack and was located no higher than the 53rd floor of the building,
this degredation phenomenom had no bearing on the weakening of the steel structure or the collapse of the building.
So, because it might interfere with our already pre-concieved notion that damage and fire on the upper floors caused collapse, we will simply state
that this column from lower down
must have been erroded in the debris pile. Even though there WAS NO testing performed on these samples to
determine cause.
Also, we didn't even bother to mention the other column from WTC 7 ( except for a small mention) where the exact same thing happened.
Maybe we should find out if gypsum is a hazard that errodes steel at higher temperatures since we are the National Institute of STANDARDS and
Technology? NAH.
Nobody ignored it, FEMA did not, NIST did not. Analysis was carried out on both parts and it is understood what caused this erosion. It is
unlikely to have occured pre collapse.
Um yeah they did.
NIST ignored the WTC 7 steel.
NIST assumed that the column was in a horizontal position when erroded therefore couldn't have been pre-collapse because it goes against their
pre-concieved theory.
NIST did NO further testing of these pieces (not to mention didn't even have the steel from WTC 7 at all)
Shall I continue? You people crap on Jones and his thermite studies but are all gung-ho when it comes to NIST who doesn't even do ANY testing and
just assumes. Typical GL's.
True, but because they had no access to it. You can't blame NIST for this I don't think.
What? The FEMA BPAT team became the NIST team. So, why would they have no access to the steel? Also, I keep hearing from the GL's that there are
plenty of pieces of steel still at fresh kills. So, why didn't NIST have access to the steel especially when they had subpeana power?
Untrue as far as I know, SAP2000 models have already been released, can you point me to their refusal?
They refuse to release the other SAP2000 models that don't show collapse.
Incorrect, they did not fire "bullets" they fired representative debris at representative samples at correct kinetic energy
scales.
They fired a shotgun at it. Is this
really representative in your mind? If so, I really don't want to hear from your mouth about Jone's
work and the oxygen testing.
Why do people quote him so much, he thinks conspiracy theories around the towers are ludicrous, you obviously disagree with him on that so do
you think it is beneficial to pick out his statement and go "AHA!" when he's actually saying that the WTC could collapse from fire alone?
Maybe you should actually realize that Quintiere doesn't feel that the towers would collapse from fire alone. He states that the NIST testing on the
fireproofing is erroneous and he feels that the thickness was insufficient. Not that it was dislodged. It was insufficient to begin with. Yet, we
have the government covering up that fact. Why? Because there are probably more buildings with insufficient fireproofing?
[edit on 7-6-2009 by Foxy Nutz]
