It is time for Action! ATS Needs You! *points finger*

reply to post by getreadyalready

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To tap into this core belief you have to tap into what it means to be natural man. For example, imagine you woke up on an island, you had no social conditioning, NOTHING. You justwoke up on that island. If you see another human eating fruit, you would out of curiosity either walk up to him or run away from fear. Either way, you wouldnt consider killing him unless he posed a threat to you. Why? Simply because you are living and naturally dont want that to end.

Do onto others that you would want done unto yourself. ? This is core belief?

Love?

Other than that, everything is down to perspective.

I dont think you have to worry about this to be honest. I think, once realising, western culture has been brainwashed to adhere to christian ideals, you can just tap into what they have already been brainwashed to believe?

No?

Cheers,

Brad

P.s. Thanks for link

reply to post by The Shade

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Shade you have a very solid point here. This has been proven. If you disagree, look at all the good movies ever released then I GUARANTEE they had a good "score", (background music).

Thanks

reply to post by Toughiv

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All true, but can we expand it to our political situation?

Immigration is controversial, but, is there a common theme that pervades all the different opinions? Such as, only an example, but we know the country was built on immigration, so no one denies the need for it in some fashion. We know that some menial jobs won't be filled any other way (i.e. fruit picking, turkey plants, etc.) We know that "illegal immigration" is dangerous for National Defense and costly to our social programs.

SO: How do we lump the "common sense" arguments together and avoid the controversial aspects. Get away from the details of How? and get to the meat of What? needs fixing.
1. Our borders must be secure at all costs seems like common sense. We don't want Al Qaeda or N. Korea marching across undetected, that seems a universal truth, and I for one am appalled to know that we don't even have a complete fence up! I have a fence around my yard!
2. We also don't want to deport the millions of illegals that are propping up our construction and farming industries, supporting our economy and so on.
3. We don't want non-citizens draining our social systems of assets meant for the citizens, and bankrupting states like California.
4. We don't want illegals working for lower wages and not paying taxes, it gives them an unfair advantage to American workers.
----> Ok, so my opinion on that one is kind of obvious.

There are many, many topics like this, and with a healthy (non-partisan, non-racial, non-politically correct) open, direct discussion. I believe the intelligent people here could hammer out some core principles regarding all these issues.

Abortion is another good example. Nobody believes third trimester abortion for the sake of birth control is right or just. The murkiness comes from what and when does the state decide, what and when does the woman decide, what and when does the doctor decide, etc. We don't have to know at what point "life" begins, or address any religious issues, we can academically discuss the situation and hammer out the few ideals that nobody (at least very few fringe idealists) dispute.



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reply to post by getreadyalready

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For immigration yeh it is necessary. However, its very simple to stop illegal immagrants working / draining social systems. VERY easy.

You know you have your national insurance cards? (UK anyway) it has your special citizen number on it, unique to you. Make it so that when you go to work in the morning you have to swipe it, in and out. Or when you collect your benefits as unemployed or something, you HAVE to swipe it to receive your benefits.

Secondly, im not sure you understand how powerful TBTB are. All this Al-queda etc is started and maintained by them on purpose.

Wars, Disease and famine are started, maintained and caused by TPTB.

reply to post by Toughiv

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Great idea with the card. Swiping the card, proving you are contributing and eligible, or you don't get benefits.

This sounds a little NWO, Socialist though, and may get some backlash.

And TPTB are extremely powerful currently, but it is a mirage. If people will unite behind a core set of principles, all the power of the elite is gone. A small fraction of the people could destroy any corporation they wanted to. Boycotts currently work for PETA and others, but the mainstream citizen doesn't buy into all their ideals.

If we wanted to render TPTB useless, all we have to do is quit banking, quit buying gas, quit voting for any mainstream polished politician, etc.

Sure easier said than done, but the reason TPTB latch onto their power so fiercely is because they know that it is only a mirage, and they have to keep up the appearance or it dissolves away.

im on board my friend i agree action needs to be taken. im from scotland peace

reply to post by getreadyalready

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You all have great points, not just this post that I'm replying to... however, when I saw the activist rhetoric, I was expecting a SuperMod to show up and remind of recruiting.

When I looked at it again, you aren't really recruiting for a 'cause' unless trying to overturn the status quo via offering voters an alternative in their district. Going off track now...

Personally, with all of the ACORN crap that hit the fan with voter registration fraud and then experiencing our local voting procedure in the general elections, it came to me that there is a very viable solution to eliminating voter registration fraud and doing away with Diebold counting issues permanently.

I won't expand on my ideas in this post but I believe that every voter can confidently vote in the system I've reasoned out; A way to make voting absolutely infallible and actually might be fun...

Of course, that would be too easy for Franken and Coleman. That would mean a clear winner at the end of counting. No crybabies.

Anyhow, back on track ...

Your 'recruiting' ; Which I can't see would be ANY kind of recruiting to a specific agenda; except the anti-NWO; which in itself is debatable.

I'm all for the mods leaving the thread open, minus any agenda specifics.

Would this thread be Candidates That Endorse Above Politics?

Can we have contact info? The ModernSense sites that I've looked at are a GoDaddy place holder and a Coming Soon site.

If your web host has Fantastico you should be able to slip stream a solid BBS style site together with an attractive theme within a week or so... Or overnight, just get SOMETHING going. Else, you are stuck here and tempting the 'agenda' fate.

Anyhow, If you add sound to the site (background music)... I might suggest the theme to Terminator Movie? Scare the BJesus out of status quo'ers.

Are we there yet?

reply to post by DrMattMaddix

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LOL! Thanks for the advice, and I apologize the sites aren't up right now. They were up for a few months last fall. My brother designed them. We also had flowers4congress.com. I don't know if that is still up or not. I doubt it, as he didn't pursue the seat.

The Modern Sense website had the "Declaration of Independence" as the background, some good links, and some articles written by us.

I will get with him, and try to at least get the basic frame back up. Then I would love everyone's help in improving it.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by getreadyalready]

Count me in. Los Angeles California. If face to face meetings ever take place, bear in mind the slave masters will have under covers take place in this as well. Thats the thing that sucks, I can never fully trust any of you, and you can never fully trust me. We here on ATS are a group of people that cant trust each other, if you can then you shouldn't be here. So just all keep in mind, As bad as it sounds, dont trust anybody on here, the slave masters have moles all over this site.

reply to post by tac109

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Hear Hear.

(Claps..)

reply to post by Toughiv

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I think what would be the best and easiest thing to accomplish first is to get a pettition up and signed that would get on the docketts faster and gain a lotta support for the restricting and unlawful presence of any party supporters of all sides to be present at all voting polls on any election day!

This would include lobbyists, campaign supporters, delegates, the candidates themselves, and anybody operating entry or exit polls! Nobody should be there but the people running the polls and the folks voting!

This would go a long way in the means of doing away with "poll-bullying",
intimidating voters, and soliciting voters in any way.

All personell that this ordinance applied to would be made to remain at a distance of 1 mile away from the said polling site for the entire duration of the voting process.

After you have achieved this feat, you might be able to somewhat not level the playing field, but at least tilt it a little in your favor. I have seen voters break down and cry while being aggravated at voting polls and such places. It's notta pretty site!

just stop using money. it is nothing. it doesnt even exist. its numbers on a computer. bull paper printed by a company(company i.e. a group designed to make profits) and has no true power over your life. its a lie to make you all pay debt. each household owes $681,000 on the national debt.

and i think core values that most "ats-ers" or as i prefer to call them "people that arent blind" (i know many people like this) would share is pretty simple.

we are sick of being lied to.
we are sick of being ripped off.
we are sick of not being represented by the legislature in place to represent us. (the legislature that doesnt even exist)
we demand the truth.

i would assume we all believe that each man should live his life with as little interference from the government as possible. people should be able to do what they want as long as it doesnt effect other people in a negative way.

we believe each person is born with the RIGHT to certain freedoms. to have an equal chance at success as anyone else from birth.
the freedoms to speak your mind in any given place, at any given time.
the freedoms to keep a personal firearm for protection or recreation.
the freedoms to no unreasonable search/seizures, the right to habeas corpus, and all those others.

we believe the elite classes of this country have banded together in an attempt to suppress knowledge, limit personal freedoms, manipulate mass groups of people, slowly poison its inhabitants, and eventually to create a fascist nation ruled by an elite class of bankers, corporation owners, and "politicians"

we believe the people may have to rise up, and by politcal(doubtful) or forceful(doubtful) means, take back our country. all we need is the people. all the huge masses of people. once the government does somethin noticeably bad, and large numbers of people start questioning things. we need to make them understand that we cant be apathetic lazy machines. we have to stand up.

the american people have never really had to stand up and fight before, at least, not much of my generation. i have my doubts that we can. i know i'll be fightin til i die though.

those are things i think we can all agree on. we have to get over the petty bull# if we're gonna band together in any way.

you really think you couldnt hole up for 3 months with people with idealogical differences when you're both FIGHTING for the same IDEALS? when you both have the same primary concern? thats pathetic. its so much more imporant than that.



the rights given to us in our bill of rights have been taken away. they've slowly been taken away, and it will get worse. if you give em an inch, you know they'll take a mile. even if you didnt give them the inch they'd still take it. you givin them the inch just makes it easier for them.

they have the legal right to imprison people with no trial. if they're suspected of "terrorist acts" and are deemed a threat to this country.

well guess what. almost every single person on this website makes comments that could most definetly get you imprisoned. its doubtful it'll happen..pretty much 0%people talkin on the internet pose pretty much no threat to the establishment. but

but they have LEGAL RIGHTS to imprison you JUST for talking about this.
and whats our 1st amendment? Freedom of speech.

WE NEED TO RISE UP

but as i said i dont have much faith


if one of the number of things that could go wrong happens. let me rephrase that, WHEN one of those things happens, all theose arguments about abortion, gay marriage, drug laws, creationism, socialism, gun control, blah blah blah that # AINT GONNA MATTER anymore.

we're gonna have to band together, regardless of our differences. we'll have to suspend all our political correctness, and all this pointless arguing over those matters so insignificant that they dont even exist anyway, the matters created by the media for people to bicker over and seperate to belive there was big differences in political party ideas.



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Please see here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

see...people dont even talk about it..and you expect them to "rise up" and do somethin abou it?

I think the main way to beat these guys is for the masses to gain control of the monetary system, what you think?

[edit on 8-6-2009 by Toughiv]

I am glad we have a little leniency to talk. Thank you.

I would like to share some childhood experience in relation to part of an answer for your topic.. When I was a child I had a very clear walk with my, "higher power".

So much so that when someone asked me a question, though I allready had what might be a wise response for them I would ask God how he felt about it.

Every time He instantly showed me the true answer which was infinately higher, yet simpler, than my own. The lies/falsehood were exposed by this truth making it obviously wrong to move any other direction.

The moral to the story?
Fighting the lie is one way which is necessary many times. However revealing the truth exposes the lie in a way that demands the support of those choosing, or they are blatently fighting their own knowledge.

There is no help for them. These are only overcome by force. Otherwise; don't worry! They won't stop their advance upon the human race! The sad thing is our children will pay the price for our shortcomings.

In other words, please count me in..

I am an American. I whole-heartedly support Israel.

Count me in. Something needs to happend.

If you want to fight the NWO it is simple:

* Clean out & close your bankaccounts
* Destroy all your credit & ATM cards
* Destroy all your government issued ID cards
* Stop any payments to government including taxes
* Get out of debt if you can (if not simply move and assume another name)
* Stop using money all together
* Form diversy and tight communities of like minded people
* Arm yourself
* Grow your own food
* Filter your own water
* Get your children out of the system
* Save as many as you can

And do not worry, they cannot WACO everyone, especially if the communities are large enough.

Independence of the system is key.

If one in ten would do ths in the US, the financial system would collapse within a month, and we would be well on our way via a neo agrarian phase into a true and just society without the banksters and their political puppets.

If you are wondering: yes I am now part of such a community with exactly these goals.

T4H

reply to post by Truth4hire

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Love the idea! I would slightly disagree with the tax paying and pulling kids. No need to draw attention to yourself in this way. If you choose to homeschool, follow the procedures, and make sure to file your taxes whether you owe or not.

Otherwise, that is a great list!

Bartering, growing your own food, going off-grid with solar, wind, wells, septic, etc. is a great idea in any setting. The sales taxes and fees you save will impact TPTB more than withholding your Federal Income tax.

I am on the same path, and I should be autonomous by the end of the year, although I am going to keep my job for the foreseeable future, I will wait until things are more clear before totally abandoning society!

No need to abandon sociey, but rather create your own, and follow the universal Laws of the Land with respect for others.

No need for their laws anymore, humans are quite capable of surviving themselves without government interfering and imposing their petty statutes.

Every individual of sane mind knows how to behave, work, create and love.

We can beat them who have enslaved us, a process that started with the industrial revolution, and is going to end with an awakening of the many.

T4H