Official 2009 European and UK local elections thread, page 2
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reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 07:03 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by 44soulslayer



The Conservatives are no better than Labour; some of the problems we are facing today have their roots in the last Conservative term in office.
However, Labour had ample time to address the situation and did nothing.
Both parties are totally incompetent.
David Cameron is so wishy-washy it scares me to think that the security of this country maybe in his hands!
He has no coherent policies and reeks of popularism.
But then again, Brown is the most indecisive leader ever.

It is no suprise that The Tories cleaned up, especially with their funded UKIP splitting the anti-European / Immigration vote.

It will be interesting to see the Euro results tomorrow as that was nationwide and maybe more representative.

My instincts are that there will be an exceptionally low turnout, even for Euro elections.
Talking to a lot of regulars in my pub I get the feeling of general apathy and disgust at ALL parties and they feel that it's pointless voting as it doesn't matter who they vote for they are all self-serving and don't have the countries best interests at heart.
Pretty damning and very sad, but very true.

[edit on 6/6/09 by Freeborn]


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 10:00 AM by 44soulslayer
reply to post by Freeborn



Unfortunately the British public have no-one to blame but ourselves.

The Tories consistently tried more right of centre candidates such as Hague, yet the electorate didn't acknowledge them. The general public aren't interested in policy, they just want a popular totemkopf.

Cameron is playing precisely that role. When he's in power, he will enact his policies. Until then, he's saying as little as possible while gaining ground via the popularity game.



reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 12:05 PM by jimminycricket
It's been very interesting stuff...

Here's a map I was following, it's interesting, because you can slide it back and look at previous local elections too, back to 1985.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I was kind of pleased to see Labour take a beating, but it was a bit of a shame to see all the gains go to Conservative, I was hoping personally the Lib Dems would make some gains. Although not a perfect party by any means, they have some more 'commonsense' policies in my view, and are slightly 'newer blood', which I think we could use.

This convinces me even more of what I and some others have been thinking, that Conservatives could be taking power at the next general.

I'm not sure just how bad I think that is, I think that in a time of bad economics like now, we could use a slightly conservative fiscal policy, kind of like after the problems of the 1970s, we needed a short term kick in the pants to get back on track. But, I felt that the Conservatives held on too long with Thatcher, and rather than just the kick in the pants we needed, we got hospitalised instead, I hope that doesn't end up happening again.


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 12:32 PM by jimminycricket
reply to post by Foppezao



Hah, thank you for that dutch debate, very lively, are these the leaders of the parties? I only know Wilders in that group. I wish our UK politicians could hold such debate.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by jimminycricket]


reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 06:37 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by infinite



As much as I respect your opinion and acknowledge your political and economic awareness I fear you have got that a tadge wrong.

Trust me, I live in what is traditional Labour heartland in North East England and you underestimate how ingrained into the psyche of the majority of people are traditional voting habits.
The Lib Dems will never replace Labour, they are considered a complete joke and waste of time. (All the major political parties are in my humble opinion).
If Labour is ever replaced it will be with either apathy and a complete lack of desire to vote or with a Nationalistic or anti-European party.
BNP or UKIP or possibly even the English Democrats have more potential than the Lib Dems in North East England.


reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 09:08 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by infinite



If there is a general low turn out across the whole of Europe would you consider this to be a condemnation of the EU as a whole and proof positive of the need to debate and vote on the UK's continued membership of a antiquadated orgamisation that does nothing but offer beuraucratic and tyrannic anti-UK legislation.


reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 09:51 AM by infinite
reply to post by Freeborn



The European Union is, sadly, becoming pointless. The Parliamentary elections are being decided on domestic issues - not European - and voters have absolutely no interest [or understanding] in the European Parliament.
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