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Originally posted by jjkenobi
Are you contending Obama's troops and mercenaries are in Iraq and Afghanistan to convert people to Christianity? Because he is the Commander in Chief now and he has increased troop levels instead of pulling them back home.
Originally posted by AlwaysQuestion
Personally I thought his speech was a little scary and certainly tied in with his goof about "My muslim faith".... I guess we will see, but from over here it seems like a president who indeed will bring change to the usa (not good change though)....
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
No this isnt just an Obama thing this is a US government thing Bush and Obama, we have had troops over since the beginning trying to convert Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan into Christianity. It's illegal to do but they do it through a loop hole saying that you can give gifts. They say that they are giving the "gift" of Christianity to the Muslims..... tell me that doesnt piss off the Muslims there....
[edit on 4-6-2009 by tjeffersonsghost]
Originally posted by blueorder
are you saying certain individuals may do it? Hell yeah, this is the land of humans.
Is it policy or the reason why the UK/US invaded? Hell no- the reasons are many fold, oil, crazy dictator whatever, but to pretend that it is some mass conversion to Christianity is just off the scale
[edit on 4-6-2009 by blueorder]
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
Originally posted by jjkenobi
Are you contending Obama's troops and mercenaries are in Iraq and Afghanistan to convert people to Christianity? Because he is the Commander in Chief now and he has increased troop levels instead of pulling them back home.
No this isnt just an Obama thing this is a US government thing Bush and Obama, we have had troops over since the beginning trying to convert Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan into Christianity. It's illegal to do but they do it through a loop hole saying that you can give gifts. They say that they are giving the "gift" of Christianity to the Muslims..... tell me that doesnt piss off the Muslims there....
[edit on 4-6-2009 by tjeffersonsghost]
Originally posted by jjkenobi
It probably pisses them off as much as when a Jehovah's Witness comes to my door.
I don't share your belief that our troops are all Christian and are trying to convert Muslims. Common sense would say a portion of our troops are Christian and a portion of those may try to convert others but that doesn't translate into some grand conspiracy. And it it no way equals convert to Christianity or die. Of all the conspiracies about the US govt I have not heard the one about the top secret high level group pulling the strings to convert the work to Christianity. If anything it seems like the govt is going the opposite direction to me.
Originally posted by jjkenobi
It probably pisses them off as much as when a Jehovah's Witness comes to my door.
I don't share your belief that our troops are all Christian and are trying to convert Muslims. Common sense would say a portion of our troops are Christian and a portion of those may try to convert others but that doesn't translate into some grand conspiracy. And it it no way equals convert to Christianity or die. Of all the conspiracies about the US govt I have not heard the one about the top secret high level group pulling the strings to convert the work to Christianity. If anything it seems like the govt is going the opposite direction to me.
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
No, it pisses them off MORE than a JW coming to my door. They take their religion serious over there.
I didnt say anything about a grand conspiracy I said that we are over there trying to convert them.
Not everyone is involved but a bigger group than you think is.
As I stated before it shouldnt be happening AT ALL.
First off its against the law
Originally posted by blueorder
how would you feel about a law in the US preventing conversion from Christianity- would you explain it away as Christians taking their religion "seriously" or would you condemn it as fundamentalist
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
No thats fine Im happy with the first amendment. That is just fine with me.
It is against the law for the military to push religion on countries we occupy. First off we are not a Christian Nation so we shouldnt be using our military to represent this.
I dont care if these people pray and do ceremonies on their private time and with each other while in the military and over seas. But to intentionally go out and try to convert people is illegal and will play right into the hands of those who hate us and feel that we ARE Christian invaders trying to convert them.
Originally posted by NatureBoy
Obama is trying to deal with the very complex problems caused by the former president bush,
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
and you dont think that we arent over there trying to convert them from Muslims to Christians?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
and you dont think that we arent over there trying to convert them from Muslims to Christians?
No.
reply to post by tjeffersonsghost
Prove it.
Good luck with that.
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
You mean my word isnt good enough for you?
Originally posted by blueorder
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
You mean my word isnt good enough for you?
clearly some individuals do, but you know what, they look like Christians who are "taking their religion seriously" to me
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost]
And look at all the bibles. They had to of gotten the money from somewhere to have all those bibles printed for distribution in the arab language. On top of this when the footage was shown to the Pentagon they did nothing. Im not saying there is a grand conspiracy but the government for sure knows this is happening and is indeed looking the other way.
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
You mean my word isnt good enough for you?
It is not clear that the Bibles were distributed to Afghans
U.S. military's Central Command that expressly forbid "proselytising of any religion, faith or practice
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
And look at all the bibles. They had to of gotten the money from somewhere to have all those bibles printed for distribution in the arab language.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
No. No one's is.
- That was quoted from Al-Jazzera. Gee .. no slant to be expected there.
- The military specifically forbids proselytising.
- If there is an Army Chaplain disobeying that direct US Mmilitary Central Command order, then it's just an Army Chaplain disobeying and it's NOT the purpose of the military action there.
- How many are 'all the bibles'.
- There are fundamentalist groups who make it their life mission to do that sort of thing. Jack Chick tracts, their version of 'correct' bibles, etc.
Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
No doubt you have some hard core religious guys but what separates us from the extremest Muslims is we do not force religion or shove it down peoples throats. We let you worship whoever you want. Its a private issue not a government or military issue. If your in the military Id like to hope you found your god and pray to him while there for the military is an ugly business. But to have bibles printed for the specific reason of conversion....there is no good that can come from this and these people should be punished.
"President Obama is a brave president. ... We hope he will open a new chapter with the Islamic world and Arab nations in particular." — Mithwan Hussein, a Baghdad resident.
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"Bush and Clinton said the same about a Palestinian state, but they've done nothing, so why should we believe this guy?" — Ali Tottah, 82, a Palestinian refugee at the Baqaa refugee camp in Jordan.
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"There is a change between the speech of President Obama and previous speeches made by George Bush. But today's remarks at Cairo University were based on soft diplomacy to brighten the image of the United States." — Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza.
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"Obama's speech is an attempt to mislead people and create more illusions to improve America's aggressive image in the Arab and Islamic world." — A joint statement by eight Damascus, Syria-based radical Palestinian factions, including Hamas.
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"We share President Obama's hope that the American effort will herald the beginning of the end of the conflict and a general Arab recognition of Israel as the state for the Jewish people living in security and peace in the Middle East." — an Israeli government statement.