Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
Fran, you are committing logical fallacy after logical fallacy. First you are making a base assertion fallacy; that your premise is true just because you say it is true. Then a negative proof fallacy; that because your premise cannot be proven false then it must be true. You attempt to make an appeal to ridicule by immediately dismissing any explanation other than the one you want.

this really doesn't address the question at all. This is just a tiny smear campaign, imho, concocted by somebody who has nothing really to say but must say it anyways. Most people in a thread such as this are probably aware that there isn't enough resistance in space to stop anything. Haven't we all seen no-grav video?
In order for people to communicate, there must be "givens".

I'm not a big poster on the "alien" threads, but posts like this take away from the actual issue, and instead turn it into a personal attack, thereby leaving the issue hanging, and usually, leaving it for dead. Distract, smear.

The poster would probably be extremely successful running a US political campaign.

I don't think anyone can dispute UFO's are real whether in outer space or not. What is disputed is whether the UFO is being operated by some form of intelligent being, human or alien.

The video clip you posted definitely has UFO's in it but most look like tumbling debris or ice. What needs to be pointed out in all those floating dots is one that changes course dramatically to prove it is being driven and not floating aimlessly.

Rhain

This is very solid proof that aliens exist out there but not in here...Yet.But are those hundreds of lights UFOs?Because i saw one near the left just zoooom fast and then disappear.This is why NASA hides everything like UFO sightings and UFO encounters.This is because people all over the world will panic.But some suggest NAZIs made a UFO plane in Germany that uses radioactive gas to power it.And the UFO sightings claim to be half are NAZI.That is why there are no sightings in other parts of the world except of course the USA and Mexico (Where the nazis are believed to be hiding)

Originally posted by heyo
I'm not a big poster on the "alien" threads, but posts like this take away from the actual issue, and instead turn it into a personal attack, thereby leaving the issue hanging, and usually, leaving it for dead. Distract, smear.

It is not a personal attack at all. It is pointing out the fallacies and flaws in her argument. Her argument was full of fallacies; that because no alternative explanation could be found, that her assertion must be correct; that because no one was answering her, it must be true; that there was no explanation because the explanations offered were not personally satisfying, therefore proving her claim, and so forth. There was no smear campaign, no personal attack.

If anything distracts and smears it is the attempt to cast these points as personal attacks. How much time has been wasted now not discussing the issue but non-existent personal attacks?

Originally posted by heyo
So basically what you are saying is that no one can ever say anything is true because no one knows everything.

I would really like to know how you got to that twisted conclusion; but as I said earlier, this is a waste of time. Let's discuss the issue and the arguments, not the people making the argument. (By the way, accusing me of personally attacking her is laughable, considering I defended her when someone claimed she was "owned.")

Originally posted by heyo
It IS personal, what you posted, because it did not give any rebuttals regarding what these things might be...

It is not personal to point out flaws in argument and logic. And one need not give an alternative explanation, especially as I was not the one making the claim that it is 100% proof.

Originally posted by heyo
It had nothing to do with the facts he presented, only how he presented them

Because there were no facts presented. Fran posted a video, then proclaimed it was aliens, presenting no argument for why it was aliens outside of what I described above. I disputed the logic of this.

Originally posted by heyo
semantics. smear campagn. call it whatever you want.

First, semantics is not synonymous with "smear-campaign".

Second, demonstrating flaws in logic is not the same as semantics. Semantics concerns the meaning of a word.

And as for whether or not your argument is a distraction from the issue...I rest my case.

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The first two didn't really look like anything to me, but the last one looked more like some kind of space lifeform - not mechanical UFO's. Still, it would be huge if we found evidence of any kind of life in space! Maybe space fish? Whos' to say?

i had not seen this mentioned in this growing thread, though perhaps i missed something...

the issue, for myself at least, is not debunking or validating this latest curious light in the sky, but that Yahoo is willing to show this footage and promote it as "NASA's secret UFO footage?"

you see... NASA & UFO in the same sentence. it is a subliminal offering.

these words enter into the subconcious of us lay-folk who stare at our screens, digesting what they (whoever THEY might be...) want us too.

and they wanted us to cojoin these two acronyms: NASA. UFO.

whether we believe in Disclosure or not, why are they teasing the issue?

and of course this community is aware that this is not a unique phenomenon. more and more mainstraim media is covering the topic of UFO's in a news fashion (CNN has been doing their fair share. even FOX dabbles).

so what's up?

are UFO's the latest fad? good for advertising dollars?

or are we being eased into Disclosure?

or is there some other reason THEY want us to ponder the thought that NASA may have UFO images.


the devil's not always in the details. sometimes it's the bold faced tag-line right before your eyes.

hmm...

Originally posted by mythos
you see... NASA & UFO in the same sentence. it is a subliminal offering.

these words enter into the subconcious of us lay-folk who stare at our screens, digesting what they (whoever THEY might be...) want us too.

I don't think it is a conspiracy of any sort. The association between the two terms is nothing new. UFOs and NASA have always been associated one way or another on some level because in the popular imagination they involve the same arena, outer space.

We cannot say this is Aliens for sure! this could easily be something from the US, Russia, or China - unless i see an Alien waving out the window im not convinced. Those NASA videos could be us documenting our own UFO flights. I Too at once thought, yes, this is proof, but no, there is no way of saying its an alien craft for sure!!

deleted and done.

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Originally posted by h3akalee
If a mosquito can survive in space then shureley it make's sense something else can too.

Take care.

Regards
Lee

Care to clarify that statement, please?

OK the argument is getting distracting. It was NOT a personal attack(such as you're a liar, and a racist!!!), it was simply pointing out the argument's flaws(such as pointing out discrepancies) and NOT the POSTER"S flaws, so get over it and both should drop it. If you can't handle having your work critiqued, DO NOT POST!
(Caps for emphasis, not yelling, don't get the wrong idea )

the video: Definitely NOT absolute proof. I mean, just about every video I've ever seen like this one (a camera view on a shuttle or something of the sorts) has these flying "UFO's" in the video. I seriously doubt that every time we put something into orbit these critters are like "OMG what is that! I dk lets ALL go check it out!" It seems to be the same scenario each and every time. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put the pieces together here.

OK so I'm no expert. But IMO it just takes a little logic to have an idea of what's going on and what's NOT going on. Most logically, it's debris or projections form our equipment. I watched twice, and it just looks like most of the stuff flies in one direction, albeit not all in the SAME direction. It may look like they are moving perpendicular to the camera's point of view, but that doesn't mean it trully is. How can you say it's ABSOLUTELY not moving slightly away from the camera?

Would you disagree that we have really polluted our near-Earth space? That being said, perhaps not all of the objects came from this particular equipment, and I certainly cannot prove any of what I have said, so don't try to bash my argument asking for proof, because it's obviously not possible for someone like me with nothing but my laptop to prove what's going on miles into space.

I do believe we are not alone, and that we have been visited. I have a friend that used to work at area 51. I've known him since he was five. And he will NOT, I repeat NOT even say one peep to me about ANYTHING that went on there. That in itself is enough to tell me there has to be some truth to this place.

But this video, no where close to UFO's. If the government is reading this thread, they are laughing really hard right now.

Peace.


[edit on 4-6-2009 by Karrotz]