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reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 05:06 PM by fleabit
I believe in alien life. I even believe in UFOs. I think Roswell happened, and it was not a U.S. experiement.

I also think this is much ado about nothing. This doesn't prove anything. They are dots for cripes sake. DOTS! Hazy, tiny dots. Objects going in more than one direction is clearly possible — there is obviously more than one thruster on the shuttle, and they point in more than one direction, on the nose and tail. That's sort of the point of an RCS system. It's even obviously possible for an object to travel one direction and then change and go in one other direction. Fire a thruster. Than fire another. And this even makes sense, as the make minute adjustements to get exactly where they want to be.

I have serious problems with people chiming off that this is absolute proof of anything. It's not only NOT proof, it's far, FAR from being proof of anything intelligently controlled.

All these videos of strange objects, what do they have in common? Answer: They all go in straight lines. Or even the few that 'change direction,' they go in a straight line, and abruptely turn and go in another straight line. None of them show any indication of being an intelligent life.

The only video which really intrigued me was the one where the objects formed an almost perfect circle. That imo, is something we should look for. That is the sort of proof that might be called more definitive. Not random ice crystals flying across the field of view.

Why hasn't a single ufo approached closer? Whey are they all simple dots, hazy or out of focus? Why would NASA, who from everyone else around here, blurs out photos and hides everything from us, let all this supposed teeming intelligent life / crafts be filmed? It makes no sense at all.

This is not proof though. This proves nothing.


reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:40 PM by Brainiac
reply to post by franspeakfree


"There is no way that anyone can say that the objects in question are ice crystals, they are moving in different directions. How is that possible?"

In Space with no gravity? Your asking how this is possible? Come on...

The Newtonian Physics in Space would allow this to be ridiculously possible...


reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:42 PM by moobaawoof
reply to post by fleabit


Spot on Fleabit - I agree with you 100% - these videos show only tiny dots moving in random directions & nothing more can be identified than only that.

I believe in UFO's as ET craft or government black ops or whatever - but nobody can positively say what these tiny specks are. Far from 100% of anything (other than 100% inconclusive).

The only thing I would add to all of this is directed to those that think this is 100% proof of UFO's - (it is succinctly & eloquently explained by Brainiac in the above post but here is my haphazard take on it...)

Why is it, that when the 'space debris / ice crystals' suggestion is mentioned, the arguments against it being so, start to talk about "they should only move in uniform directions if it's space debris / ice crystals " - why should they?
- it's space
- there is no up/down
- one speck might have just been flushed out of the shuttle waste or whatever...
- another speck might be 3 metres further away than the other one after having just bounced off something...
- one speck may have just orbited the earth 3 times before passing in front of the camera...
- another speck might actually have been emitted from a different shuttle mission entirely & been orbiting ever since...
- another speck might be dust / ice / whatever burned off from a comet / asteroid / whatever & have just shot in past the camera having been travelling for 14 years on it's way from out beyond the moon to somewhere else entirely...

...I think you get the idea...loads of debris/ice & from multiple different sources for multiple different plausible reasons...SPACE IS QUITE BIG & with so much random stuff going on & the fact that debris/ice can be floating around for years or travelling in a straight line forever since millions of miles away without decaying in structure, direction or speed...THEN YES - STUFF FLOATS IN RANDOM DIRECTIONS !! Is it really so difficult to understand.

**face/palm**shakes head in disbelief**

Until you can show something bigger than a speck (i.e. we can visibly determine it to clearly be a craft of some description) then any video like this or the tether etc.... really show nothing at all.



[edit on 4/6/2009 by moobaawoof]


reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:58 PM by 1SawSomeThings
reply to post by hunter60



I had never seen the 'tether footage' before. That was amazing. I think though that there are many people out there that are going to need one to land in their backyards and have the EBE knock on their door before they will believe.

Nope that won't do it. From my experience they'll need the alien version of "The Full Monty" plus video and souvenir, maybe more.
I agree that it's amazing.


reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 07:16 PM by Komodo
reply to post by HolgerTheDane


Can space dust dodge another 'piece of space dust/ice particles' at 90* degrees 1-2 secs before another the other has a change to "what seems to be" on a collision/impact trajectory as seen in the video????

Watch the video, then ask this question, was there intelligence behind the motion, then think about the laws of motion.


reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 07:19 PM by moobaawoof
reply to post by 1SawSomeThings


...Actually yes, that would be great evidence
haha! better than tiny specks anyway...

For me I just need to see something with a bit more substance to it than white specks of something

Like this for instance: www.abovetopsecret.com...

...Now that's more like it...


reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 07:38 PM by pop_science
reply to post by raybies


I was thinking the same thing, I also think sometimes that it looks a lot like under water footage that you'll often see in deep sea footage the way it's so dark and the lighting of the objects plus the fluid like motions.

As for the video, I tried to download it and add it to my youtube but I am clueless as to how to convert it so I'm sure someone will if it hasn't been done already.
It sure is interesting, the tether to me like in all the other videos I've seen doesn't so much look like a craft but more so looks like a living thing along the lines of a parasite or worm, I am not saying that's what it is or that's what I think it is, just explaining what it LOOKS like for a lack of better words.
It really does look like a sample under a microscope of living organisms.

F&S for sure.
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