Let's Blame Pagans Again!

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This has been happening since 2003:
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Grrr....I just don't understand why they come to the decision so quickly that it’s the work of Pagans. Why?? I know that the police say they are looking into satanism as well....But why not offer alternative, or at least other feasible explanations for the crime? For instance, is it not the case that psycho paths take there aggression out on animals before they move on to human targets??

Does anyone know what evidence the authorities posses which would cause them to assert Pagan or Satanic involvement? In addition, it appears that there still remains confusion regarding the differences between Pagan and Satanic ritual. As a Pagan, I cannot imagine myself taking part in such activities.

what is a pagan?

sorry for the one liner just wanna understand were you are coming from i guess

rome?

Sorry bad joke

[edit on 4-6-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

Why don't they just substitute the word jew for pagan for ONE MINUTE and see how harmful this is?

I'm raising a pagan child, pagan because his parents are and they treated him best, not because we pushed him to it, we don't care - but Christians pushed him completely away because of the way they've acted towards his family- he's a good boy - a very good boy - kinder and gentler than most, I promise you - and some stupid little girl down the road calls him a devil worshiper simply because he celebrates the wheel of the year.

I'm seriously getting tired of this. People that claim to be Christian kill everyday but the news papers don't LEAD stories with the killers religion unless it IS pagan.

Hmm, seems odd they'd use the term 'pagan'. Normally for something like this they'd prefer the term 'satanist', even though that's bad usage also. It makes me wonder if they are trying to demonize pagans for some reason, perhaps so it's easier to crack down on them when they are celebrating on the land, or at stonehenge.

Every time a story like this appears it makes my blood boil at the lack of education in the system of society. We teach Christianity and Islam in schools but always ALWAYS neglect other religeons.

There is a vast difference between Paganism ( of which I practice - along with aspects of Buddhism ) to Satanism.

Here is a small clue

Pagans worship the Earth and the energy it and Life creates, and try to help others with it.

Satanism is about self gratification and self prosperity, which does include bloodwork or various types all pretending to be in the name of Satan, its considered evil so it is called satanism.

When a situation like this occurs its either some twisted individual the type that like to tie fireworks to cats and dogs rather than a 'religeous' nut.

Slashing at an animal isn't religeous , its assault on a defensless creature is normally a precursor to attacking people.

So Police , Newspapers and Government 'do-gooders' heres a hint, GET SOME EDUCATION and FFS read some more before casting aspersians as religeons you obviously know nothing about.

[edit on 4/6/09 by DataWraith]

Err, they haven't. They simply said that they were considering it.

Personally, I reckon you're in the clear.

I thought using the term Satanism like this was also a bad usage, as many Satanists are not involved in evil or 'bloodwork'. My understanding was that the larger groups like LeVey Satanism were about what you said first, "self gratification and self prosperity", A kind of Ayn Rand + 1000, but not actually evil, just selfish in most peoples view.

reply to post by jimminycricket

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Depends on your definition of evil , selfishness in my book is evil , as it only harms the self and the ones around you in the long run.

Actually The Satanic Bible states no self respecting Satanist would ever abuse or sacrifice an an animal or human.

THe evil, black mass blood ritual sacrifice Satanist is actually a Christian perverting the Christian religion. Usually the church boys that have been listening to too much heavy metal music like King Diamond and watching stupid Hollywood horror flicks.

Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible hardly dictates what Satanists do on a global scale, dude...

Satan is a christian angel.... damned Christians had to create this evil Satanism.

Anyway, satanists are so flawed anyway, they really shouldn't be considered of Satan. Satan questioned God, specifically why he should worship imperfect humans when he could worship the perfect god himself. For this he was cast to hell, where all he supposedly did was watch over the dead.

Satan's philosophy goes something like this: He manifests once and awhile, one time he manifests and kills a dog or something. A little girl cries, saying thats a bad thing. So he (maybe gets some clay) and resurrects the, or creates a new, dog. All he had in response was that he doesn't know what bad means, then moves along.

Christianity ruined his rep.

The stories are all fake anyway. lol

reply to post by Roark

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Well atheistic is the only satanism that I know anything about. Seems like if a Satanist believes in God, but chooses to worship God's archenemy, then they are some sort of perverted JudeoChristian type.

As for the evil occultist Satanist ruling the world, sorry, I don't see it. If they exist, it is money and greed they are worshipping and they aren't claiming to be pagan, cause right now, no one (except another pagan) would elect a pagan.

[edit on 4-6-2009 by hadriana]

allow me to do a little translation for you media savvy types.
the reporter asks " officer, do you think the attack may have been carried out by pagans?"

the policeman responds


the reporter leaves out the important bits and reports it so the old Margery can be shocked and tell old Mary about the evil satanists running rampage in fife.

This is why I said 'larger groups', i'm sure there are some Satanists who really are evil, but to use the term the way the media does, that's like saying everytime a bomb goes off that it must be a Muslim, and Muslims are evil, just because there are a few psychos in that group too. Overall it seems Satanists aren't a big threat. I do dislike their selfish attitude, but that's not enough of a problem for me to be overly concerned, or to smear them all as sacrificers and suchlike.

[edit on 4-6-2009 by jimminycricket]

Well I'm Native American and therefore lumped into that Pagan Category... so coming from a red skin I can say that whole animal sacrifice reading of entrails gig is a Christian/Jewish/Muslim deal... We don't do that... Good friend is is Wicca and I know she doest do that either... in fact she keeps her black cat locked in the house for fear of what crazy superstitious Christians might do her kitty..
think their looking at the wrong suspects here

can say why, does being native american give you some sort of expertease on abrahamic religious practice?


we who, all native americans today, all native americans ever, who's we?



wicca? who mentioned wicca?
although that pagan thing is a stupid label, it covers way too much to be useful, the genital mutilation of horses suggests some sort of fertility ritual, maybe. hung like a horse and all that. midsummer is an important date in northern european traditional belief systems. their modern, twisted, bastardised 18th century spiritual systems, often lumped under the word pagan, carry out stupid fertility and sex cerimonies at this time of the year.

pagans, in general, getting upset over this aspect of the investigation need to take a chill pill.

Why is any label other than "psycho a-hole running around with a horse dick in his mouth" necessary?

Rather than just finding the nut and dumping him in the ocean everyone has to get all huffy about meaningless labels and what they mean to them.

reply to post by pieman

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Funny I don't remember saying I was upset.. seems to me the christians are the ones being defencive here... I mean I'm sure that whole Abraham Isaac thing was just a misunderstanding right? a misprint in your bible? Maybe god meant to ask for a rubber chicken?

Yes when I say Native American I do mean my tribe and yes I know our lore past and present so yes I can say we don't do that now or ever...

Ever notice how its always a christian you read about in the newspaper who shoots up a church? Kills a doctor, their family, the choir.
Funny but I don't ever recall reading about a deranged red skin shooting up a hogan or teepee?
but thanks for your clearly redneck input... I'll try harder not to make generalizations

kay!!

if i say that the fact that you're a native american doesn't really qualify you to talk about abrahamic religious practices by itself, i'm a bible bashing redneck? sweet.

what the hell has this got to do with christians anyway? why are you dragging christianity into it?

hadriana -- I glad you are raising a Pagan child, and don't push him to be what he doesn't want to be. I was pushed to church EVERY Sunday, and I would be shunned for questioning the bible...I was 10!! I was asking questions. wtf? Then my pastor called my mom one night and told her that her kids were going to burn in hell. (I missed a confirmation class) I never again had to go...Thank god!

I tell Christians that story and they tell me that I just had a bad pastor. Well if he is working with god, and preaching the word, then he shouldn't act like that! I have never came across a Pagan that acted like that when praying or talking about religion. EVER.



I hate this, I have a feeling that my son will have the same problem in school...ugh.

I can hear it now..."Shun the non-believer!"



I know....I agree.


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DataWraith -- I agree for the most part. I'm sick of getting confused as a Satanist when I am Pagan. They are not related at all....



[edit on 4-6-2009 by bronwyn82]