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Originally posted by Amaterasu
Why is it so important to you to "disprove" The Terra Papers?
But fundamentally you are doing exactly the same as older religions but with a new myth set that is acceptable within a scientific and technologically dominant paradigm.
You are accrediting unseen supernatural beings for the creation of man, you have a myth set, a heir-achy of "higher beings" some good, some bad, you extract the reason for the existence of humans. You get this from a book, told as a story, to a man. Sound familiar? Because it sure does to me!
Originally posted by akkad
Amaterasu, I enjoyed this thread and I enjoyed reading the Terra Papers. Thankyou for bringing them to my attention.
I can't take them seriously as a reliable source of information, however, because you can't provide the proof that they are genuine, only that you yourself have seen the proof. On balance it's more likely than not that the Papers are made up. That's not to say that I don't belive that some of the story could be true, just that the Terra Papers are unreliable evidence. For example, as it resembles Star Wars so much it needs to be proven beyond any reasonable doubt that it predates Star Wars. And why, when we come to recent times does the narrative become vaguer and less detailed, when it was fantastically detailed in its description of faraway, and unverifiable, events?
Sorry, thread over for me.
Atlasastro, thanks and a star for your efforts.
Originally posted by bloodline
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Why is it so important to you to "disprove" The Terra Papers?
It's not that we are trying to disprove the terra papers. It's nothing specific with the papers. It's with everything pandered around as being even remotely true without the slightest shred of evidence that we are questioning.
So far = 0% evidence
You are avoiding peoples questions as well. It's plain to see for everyone involved in this thread.
Thank you atlastro for being so dogged and concise.
Originally posted by kshaund
Originally posted by jimminycricket
I watched some of the videos in the past, and while interesting, I just couldn't buy into it, and there was just something odd about the man presenting the ideas, he seemed a bit too much like a dodgy salesman mixed with a fraudulent guru.
Are you sure you were watching Robert Morning Sky? I have been unable to find any videos except for some segments recently on youtube from a way back when workshop... Just wondering ....
Hi. I know you have invested alot of your own personal time and energy with Robert Morningsky and I value your insights and experiences.
Originally posted by kshaund
Hi Atlas -
Firstly, what genetic manipulation. Show it too me.
I don't get that finding genetic manipulation part of our origin as plausible makes it fundamentally anything like religions (dogma).
You are not free from any belief system, you are just updating an older version. You still rely on Bek Ti's(supernatural ET character) Narative to Robert. You practice a belief in the narative from a supernatural being. Which is now in a Book. What will the next step be? Robert has the Terra Bible now(i mean please).
No one is praying to the DNA. No one is worshiping the DNA and waiting for its omnipotent return. Or declaring the son of DNA is our one true savior. I actually see all this as quite the opposite and freeing from the BS (belief systems).
Your view of religion is very narrow and restricted to a limited idea. Religion is thought to be the highest of truth, and this is what you claim to have. Religion is a stance, a belief, a personal conviction and a way of life(sounding familar yet) most often surrounding supernatural, devine or metaphysical beings. People don't have to pray to believe in "god" or "dna manipulation" or go to church to be religious.
I agree replacing one religion for another is still a religion - but trying to understand history is trying to understand, period.
Lol. You are proving my point. Christians will tell you they can hear God, if you will only listen. If you could show me or anyone else these beings, you would have by now. But you can't, why is that? These beings that a literally here, you cannot literally show them. Why not?
As for unseen, supernatural beings, their presence (literally) is all around if you know what to look for.
What exactly am I dodging. The fact that you have a belief from a book, a story. That this story explains humanity and our existence to you and you believe it, and that as I have stated before as my opinion, that this is exactly what religious people do with the bible, the Koran, the torah, the Vedas etc etc etc and that you, like these other religious books, cannot show your "el's" or "dna manipulation" anymore that christians, jews or muslims can show God.
If you are making the assumption that believing we were test tube creations = religion, there's no way to work with your rationale as it's a semantic dodge.
The very Idea of good and bad is bound up in religion. That is why I mention it. It is also central to nearly all religious naratives, cultural mythologies etc. It is just another curious trait that leads me to the opinion I hold. If you can manage to endure reading Kant and Nietzche or some determanists, you will gather different insights into "good and bad" and religion but I warn you they are hazardous if you indulge in them as absolutes, like any religious or philosophical texts.
Some good, some bad. Why not? There's good and bad everywhere, what does that have to do with whether or not there's a hidden history?
Then how do you believe it as being the truth? How can you possibly know if it is the truth if it is impossible to prove? How did you prove it to yourself?
Proof of what, that they're true? Impossible to prove.
I would also sincerely be interested in what you think are very origins are from? Evolution? God?
Originally posted by kshaund
Terra Papers aren't the only source - there are dozens of authors who have written about the alien intervention of our DNA. Dr. Arthur Horn, Zecharia Sitchin, Hancock & Bauvel, Michael Behe (Darwin's Black Box) explains how evolution of us is impossible -
In Micheal Behe's theory, complex organisms that are reduced by removing parts of the complexity fail to function as we observe them. What Behe failed to consider was that the function we observed as the end product of such complexity was not necessarily exactly the same all the time as that organism developed over time. So, when elements of complexity are removerd, they are still functional as organism, just not as we knew them when observing them as complete and highly complex organisms.
it had to be intervention - likened us evolving as likely as throwing all the parts to a motorcycle into a garage and a million years later the thing puts itself together, fills its tank and voila - a motorcycle is born.
How dose it support a different theory? None of it is provable. This i why it seems rather religious to me. The Bible "supports" a belief in God. Can you see the comparisons.
Proof? - no, not proof, all this stuff to me (including Terra Papers "SUPPORTS" a different history), doesn't prove it.
Have you bothered to look for the answer? Or do you only filter what you want to see and hear from the perspective of a belief that it is Aliens? The reptilian complex(cortex) is one of the oldest parts of the brain that all mammals share. It is observed through out a wide range of fossil records and its development can be shown in stages and plateaus through all phyla groupings amongst the animal kingdom.
Aliens? As fetuses in the first few weeks we all have a tail that then disappears. We have part of our brain called the reptilian cortex, why is that?
The dinosaurs dissapeared, was that Genetic manipulation? Species disapear everyday now! Is that genetic manipulation. Look at the amount of species that become extinct every year, there are many causes for these extinctions, mainly environmental ones, competition, change, inability to adapt to change, rates of change overcoming species, polution, introduced species, disease etc etc.
Races throughout history have virtually disappeared and another one sprung up completely unrelated (we're talking Cro-Magnon and before) many times in history, not just once. How could that be without genetic manipulation?
Can you link this please. I would greatly appreciate that.
Recently they discovered aborigines aren't actually even related to us - they have their 'own' DNA. These things lend support to the premise of alien intervention - I don't believe I've ever said it's proof -
How does that support Aliens any more than evolution. With the abscence of an explainable Abiogenesis and no showable Aliens to account for the beginning, it still comes down to a belief in intervention, be it in a supernatural God, or Aliens. Religion.
There's less than 2% difference in the DNA of us and Bonobo apes.
I agree that life seems to be using what it finds successful over and over again and that there are many variations based on templates, but show me where the Aliens are in all this. I find this topic facinating and I have been following the human genome project, but we just don't know do we. That is why we believe in "outside causes", be they "gods" or "aliens".
Now through DNA they find whales are related to hippopotamus - there seems to be a basic "muffin mix" used with variations between here and there.
Good for you. I have read similar sentiments amongst born again Christians and converts to the Islamic Tradition that are weary of western Ideals etc
The thing is, I had a gut feeling since I can remember that aliens have something to do with this - after thirty plus years of reading books, talking to authors and researchers and channelers, etc. (Yep, I ran the new age gammut too) - and it was when I read the Terra Papers everything else I'd read or learned that didn't make sense, now did.
Add a worthy one to be concerned over, especially because it is evident you care about all our souls collectively. Fundamentally though this is a spiritual one dealt with mainly by traditional religious beliefs.
I think our souls have been trapped, that's my concern
We cannot be seperate from the universe, I agree with you. We are fundamentally part of a much greater existence that, being finite visceral humans, perhaps limits our ability to truely grasp it entirely.
I presume the ultimate truth is we are all part of "Creation of All That Is" and so everything in between is distortions, separations from that.
I know where you are at.
I haven't stopped looking for answers, I just have different questions now.
Fair enough. I find that I understand these topic as being religious in nature, and that helps me explain things too.
Could Robert have been lied to by Bek Ti? Absolutely! Could Robert be lying? Absolutely! I just haven't found anything better to explain this mess we're in.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
reply to post by Elepheagle
Thank you for your response. I suspect that until we are shown the truth, none of us can say for sure that we have the truth. I am merely saying that one can make a very strong case for much of this being true.
My issue with the poster who I was addressing was that there was almost a passion about this subject specifically, and, whereas most merely were content to say, "Not enough evidence," that poster was...less than fully civil and eager to make sure my speculations and associations were stomped, rather than questioned.
When, on this single question, such a vehement effort is made, I am highly curious WHY.
Thanks again.
Originally posted by kidflash2008
reply to post by kshaund
Graham Hancock is mentioned by you to have written about extraterrestrial intervention in us humans. I have read his books, and Mr Graham does not mention any ETs. His theory is that human civilization is much older than we currently believe. He brings up ruins underwater to show that there may have been an ancient sea faring race of people that were destroyed by several catastrophic floods over 12,000 years ago.
Mr Hancock has never written about aliens playing with our DNA, or even building our monuments. He believes mankind is intelligent enough to have built them ourselves.