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Originally posted by Amaterasu
Another interesting thing is, as you know, the AR ships are VERY much like Star Wars' Death Stars, yet the Papers were written well before Star Wars. BUT... Joseph Campbell, in his research of myths planet-wide, spent a long while with the Hopi. AND... He was George Lucas's friend and mentor.
I think there's a likely connection.
Originally posted by NephraTari
reply to post by Amaterasu
Instead of creating a new thread.. you should have just added to the existing one. I have no firm belief on the terra papers, however my gut says they are bogus.
Originally posted by superdebz
I started reading it with an open mind
but then the whole "Deathplanet" where the picture and descriptions is suspicsius like star wars "deathstar" Yeah i was kinda like meh
Originally posted by superdebz
I started reading it with an open mind
but then the whole "Deathplanet" where the picture and descriptions is suspicsius like star wars "deathstar" Yeah i was kinda like meh
Originally posted by kenton1234
I read those papers and they are almost verbatim to the sumerian text.(fantastic read by the way)
Originally posted by Amaterasu
The Papers were originally submitted to a college class in the late '60's. This was before much of the Sumerian Tablets were translated. That should be worth something.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
“Joseph Campbell… was George Lucas's friend and mentor”
Source
“It was very eerie because in reading The Hero with a Thousand Faces I began to realize that my first draft of Star Wars was following classic motifs...so I modified my next draft [of Star Wars] according to what I'd been learning about classical motifs and made it a little bit more consistent...”
Originally posted by Amaterasu
So instead of thinking it is somehow a ripoff, think that Star Wars borrowed from the Hopi stories of an ET giving the history of the Earth.
Originally posted by kidflash2008
reply to post by Amaterasu
I have read the Terra Papers, and conclude they are an act of fiction. The author steals from a variety of sources, including Star Wars (the Death Star), Battlestar Galactica, Zecharia Sitchin and others.
Many who support them claim author Robert Morning Sky wrote them before those 1970s shows and books, but they have yet to prove it as Mr Morning Sky did not release the papers until the early 1990s.
He claims they were for a university term paper, but they are written on a sixth grade level, which would not be very acceptable to any college professor.
It does seem like Mr Morning Sky was into all the New Age shows and pop culture of the 1970s when he decided to write the papers and call them real.
If they are real, where is the body of the alien who lived among his people? Where is the other proof of the alien encounter?
The good news is that the papers are a short novella so they do not take much time to read. The bad news is that it is an hour I will never get back.
Originally posted by NephraTari
reply to post by Amaterasu
Instead of creating a new thread.. you should have just added to the existing one. I have no firm belief on the terra papers, however my gut says they are bogus.
Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
There are a number of dubious claims being made in this thread. This is not to mention the laughable fact Amaterasu dismisses the site critical of Morning Sky (insofar as to imply they are disinfo agents) as not having proof, but has no problem accepting the Terra Papers despite a lack of proof, taking Morning Sky’s claims on face-value.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
The Papers were originally submitted to a college class in the late '60's. This was before much of the Sumerian Tablets were translated. That should be worth something.
First, is there any evidence Morning Sky wrote these when he said he did? He did not release them until 1995 at the earliest, according to this pro-Morning Sky post.
Second, scholars have been reading Sumerian for well over 100 years. The claim these were written before much of Sumerian language was translated is outright false. Source
Originally posted by Amaterasu
“Joseph Campbell… was George Lucas's friend and mentor”
While the Hero with a Thousand Faces was an influence on Lucas while he was writing the first Star Wars movies, the influence was not on story or imagery, but in motifs. It was the idea of the monomyth that influenced Lucas, the story, imagery and concepts of the movie were his creation.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
So instead of thinking it is somehow a ripoff, think that Star Wars borrowed from the Hopi stories of an ET giving the history of the Earth.
You keep repeating iterations of this claim, but have nothing to back it up. I challenge you to produce any Hopi legend (not what Morning Sky says is Hopi legend, provide another source) that resembles anything like in Star Wars or the Terra Papers.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
I have had a great number of discussions from one who was (is) a friend of his back in 1970. She and I began our discourse shortly after I learned of the Papers. She was aware of them in 1970.
Yes, in an effort to spread the information they were released as a booklet later in his efforts to inform us all. But the original work was from 1968 or 69.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
You must have missed the fact that I did NOT say "the Sumerian language." I said the "Sumerian Tablets," which are STILL being translated.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
If Campbell told Lucas not to reveal any of the source, but did tell him the information he learned from the Hopi...
Originally posted by Amaterasu
It can hardly be a "legend" if it arrived via Bek'Ti in 1947
Originally posted by Amaterasu
and if the Hopi have kept the secrets in trust, they aren't going to be blabbing them to some paleface, now are they?
Originally posted by Amaterasu
There is nothing but the Sumerian Tablets...
Originally posted by Amaterasu
You're working awfully hard to call me a liar.
Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
Originally posted by Amaterasu
I have had a great number of discussions from one who was (is) a friend of his back in 1970. She and I began our discourse shortly after I learned of the Papers. She was aware of them in 1970.
Yes, in an effort to spread the information they were released as a booklet later in his efforts to inform us all. But the original work was from 1968 or 69.
What you have is an unsubstantiated claim. Fact, there is no evidence outside of these claims, that the Terra Papers were around before the 1990s.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
You must have missed the fact that I did NOT say "the Sumerian language." I said the "Sumerian Tablets," which are STILL being translated.
You are arguing semantics, now. Whether tablets or the language, you ignored the fact that translations of Sumerian myth have existed since the 1940s.
You also did not answer which Sumerian myths the Terra Papers supposedly mirror.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
If Campbell told Lucas not to reveal any of the source, but did tell him the information he learned from the Hopi...
You are speculating. And that is all you have for the claim, confusing speculation for fact. There is zero evidence to support your claim.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
It can hardly be a "legend" if it arrived via Bek'Ti in 1947
Regardless of what semantic games you want to engage in, there is no other source for these claims.
1 a: a story coming down from the past ; especially : one popularly regarded as historical although not verifiable b: a body of such stories c: a popular myth of recent origin
Originally posted by Amaterasu
and if the Hopi have kept the secrets in trust, they aren't going to be blabbing them to some paleface, now are they?
And yet that is what your entire claim is based on. First you claim Robert Morning Sky is babbling these secrets. Then you claim the Hopi told Joseph Campbell who in turn told Lucas.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
There is nothing but the Sumerian Tablets...
Again, tell us which Sumerian tablets, which Sumerian legends.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
You're working awfully hard to call me a liar.
Not at all. I do not believe you are a liar. I believe you are sincere. Wrong, very wrong, but sincere.
Originally posted by Topsy_Cret
I too have read the papers and I did enjoy the story. Weather or not they are real is the biggest question in my head.
As I was reading thru it I noticed that it is not the history of the universe. In the begining it just basicly syas that there are a lot of planets and alot of different typs of aliens. It doesnt say where they came from or there history... just that they're there. Then it jumps to the SSS queens. I think I read it 4 or 5 times just to make sure I caught everything... I mean call me what you like but it was pretty hard to follow some times.
I could go either way. If it is real that it makes a whloe bunch of sence. If it is fiction the it is a damn good story. I dont have any additional proff but Im leaning towards that it is real. The Hopi have very interesting believes. Their prophcies apparently fortold of the world wars and such. Hopi Prophecy
Either way great thread. I like the debates from both sides.
Originally posted by Aceofclubs
i started reading these but had someting else to do so was unable to finish would any mind doing a round up/high lights for me i got to were the queen gives earth to the king