I do not beleive retiredafb videos to be a hoax there are just too many coincidences. There is really an object in that area that is beeing shown on official NASA images, also just like someone posted in previous reply, parts of the moon taken from the color footage have been compared to official moon area and they match perfectly! fermi plane wall area etc... we also know for sure that what we see is the real interior of a LEM! How can a common mortal have access to that? Even Robert.O Dean mentioned about the 3km spacecraft on the backside of the moon in an interview he gave to project camelot. How could the so-called hoaxer also know to put an US-Russian flag inside the LEM when nothing about such a cooperation was known? Now on Luca Scantamburlo website (angelsmartii) you can see a recent picture of Alexei Leonov photographed with the same coop flag! How about the vehicule we see on the moon from inside the LEM that was not known by public before late 70's when this mission occured in 1976? What about the evident dryness and evident decoloration of the cadaver retreived in the spaceship? Six fingers? Unknown writings? Color separation in the flyover movie that is a particularity from camera of this era? Nobody could create such an elaborate hoax im sure and all the money that would be involved in such a thing there is just no point! All the guy in my opinion tried to do was informed us and we just swept everything he said. I think that nowadays it just seems too easy to call anything a hoax but i believe that with all these detailed videos and the technology we have nowadays, it should be just a matter of time before some very important facts are revealed to mankind as it just seem they can't withold the information much longer...
I am sure Mr.Rutledge would have posted other interesting videos about the Apollo 20 secret mission but he was probably eliminated for having revealed too much information but don't worry soon enough the truth surrounding this aswell as other strange activities on the moon will emerge.

This was made in the best way of making a hoax: use something known as true and add something that it's hard to prove as fake or that many people will accept without asking questions.

The Moon photos that show that feature are real, there are at least 36 NASA photos that show it, but the video that was supposedly filmed from Lunar orbit shows movements that are not like the ones made by the Lunar module or the command module, and the Moon looks to reflective on the video, almost like it was made of plastic.

Screw the video, it's the audio im more interested in. Most people wouldn't believe a video image unless they were actually there filming. I like the audio because it was from a credible astronaut. the audio had no relation to the video so it shouldn't be written off as a hoax like the video is. No pont arguing about this subject though.

Well....as been noted, this "Apollo 20" hoax keeps popping up, every so often, since not everyone has seen it before....and it certainly absorbs the newbies.

I've read entire thread so far, but why isn't there a critical discussion of any alleged "Apollo 18 or 19"???

Also...launch site. A Saturn V will not be launched from Vandenberg. A ship like that needs to launched Eastward, to use the added impetus from the Earth's rotation. Those stages would have, therefore, fallen onto the Continental US. Certainly, someone would have noticed that!!! Also, transporting a rocket that size, from the KSC? AND, I'd think there's be lots and lots of prying eyes....whether launched from Kennedy or Vandenberg.

NOW....there are some who say there are launch faciliteis in the Pacific Ocean...like at Kwajalien, for instance. Certainly, something could be conducted from there in moree secrecy....but, WAS a real Saturn V ever launched after Apollo 17??

Well, let's consider stuff we see in museums....there is an actual full-size Saturn V in Florida....on its side. You see, some of the hardware for the three cancelled missions was built, but not completed...and now reside in various museums. That should be researched....just to answer, one way or the other, how veriable this "Apollo 20" stuff really is....

Ever See the pictures of the Dark side of the moon. pretty good. it's got some good like "colonies" structures and tunnels up their.? and does any one nevermind i'll post the question in proper form. ReHaB

Really, really excellent! My first star and flag. I do believe in UFOs and that we have been visited but I don't spend much time researching. THIS was excellent.
Thank you.

That case of this space ship on the moon could be more interesting if we could confirm that strange movie from Apollo 20 with the recent Japanese mission to photograph the backside of the Moon or any other source.

Originally posted by sotp

We'll get the truth eventually folks but clutching at straws just gives debunkers and disinfo agents ammunition...

[edit on 4/6/09 by sotp]

Well said sotp.

the video of the artifact exhibits all the hallmarks of footage shot of a miniature.

the typical tilt shift-ey depth of field gives it away, maybe if they had built a bigger set, it would appear more realistic.

interesting stuff.

on another note, launching a saturn v without anyone taking notice would be a very difficult, if not flatly impossible, thing to pull off.

I watched that video. The beginning with the stage separation is CGI, there's no doubt at ALL in my mind. I have seen actual stage separation footage, and I know CGI. For the first timer- the 'sun flare' is basic stock for space scenes, for whatever reason. The alien? It looks like a wax coated clay sculpture. It could even be Vaseline instead of wax over it. The side of the head shows where paint was applied with an airbrush.

I am sure the 'it's real!' cheerleaders will now crawl all over me and scream I am a disinfo agent, or a nutjob, or what have you. When something IS A HOAX like this, why are there people reversing the usual debunking arguments? It makes the footage less odd, and the behavior that much more interesting.

LOL nice videos of absolutely nothing we can identify 'at all'...where is the 'official' seal of authenticity..im not 100% convinced this is genuine footage simply because some yahoo put it on youtube..hardly a scientific forum for advanced studies.

Even if these were 'real' and from NASA...how is it alien craft are just small balls of bright light? doesn't seem like much of a star craft..also, why are the aliens 'crafts' changing their appearances suspiciously with the time-line here on earth? Almost as though the 'ships' are matching whatever is big in pop culture....why aren't the ufos from the 1950s hanging around anymore? the standard 'layer-cake'' models we've seen SO much footage of as well as reports..where are those? Hmn....guess triangles and spheres of light are more "high tech" nowadays? Wouldn't it occur to anyone that if anything these are man made objects? Small balls of bright light don't exactly scream alien ship to me....seems silly to even suggest such a thing..childish almost.

anyway i'm just thinking logically.

i just went and saw the end of that video..you ..have..to be kidding me...anyone here that believes that last section showing a zoomed image of some plastic model is a freakin ship captured on video by an orbiting lunar pod is NUTS....LOL the camera they used couldn't zoom in with that level of detail guys.not at that orbital height..has ANYONE thought of that yet? LOL

Not to even MENTION the fact that the 60s era lunar mod is hovering and not moving at all..hehe nice try...Occums Razor jerkies

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[edit on 5-6-2009 by jeddun]

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Why don't you then tell us exactly what happened.....You seem to have proof there was no apollo 20 and you appear as though you think you know more than us...

Please sure what you know then........... can you?????

theres really no need to start flaming one another. really, there has been more than enough evidence posted by other members above and in previous pages that would allow anyone of sufficient gray matter to deduce the truth. read deeply into what was posted by internos.

the supposed shadow on the image taken from the vid doesnt appear to be like any shadow ive seen before unless shade is taking on new forms.

i, just like the majority of us here would be thrilled if something of this magnitude were fact, its just clearly not the case. dont allow your wishes to cloud your judgement or it will leave you looking the fool.