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...person who made the film has to have had access to a LEM to film in or he has gone to the expense and time to build himself a highly detailed replica!
but to start making claims that it's possible to rent out a LEM to film in is a bit weird. I hope you're joking about that?
The same goes with the lunar landscape. It's either real or it's a very well done fake
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by Faiol
and, no scientist is talking about ufos, thats the most important thing ... the scientific community is afraid to investigate ufos ... and thats the main thing
That is EXACTLY the main thing. Science, which purports to be seeking truth and answers, tends to ignore that which it finds disconcerting.
IgnoreTheFacts, let me ask you something: do you believe that the UFO phenomenon is a real event, or something like "swamp gas"? Do you have preconcieved notions as to what is real and what isn't? Can you provide anything that would actually "debunk" (i hate that word) the video above?
Science should be about finding out the truth, not about drawing preconcieved notions and allowing them to dictate what is actually researched. Science fails on so many levels. The UFO phenomenon is but 1 instance.
I refuse to put faith in a system that picks and chooses what is worthy for review.
I wonder if any museum has an LEM or a replica one and also has a model lunakhod in the same place?
The Cosmosphere in the Present
A visitor to the Cosmosphere first sees one of the centerpieces of the museum's collection: a full-scale mockup of the lunar lander. The mockup was built by Grumman and originally used by NBC during its coverage of the lunar landings as a way of showing to a viewing public unfamiliar with the spacecraft how it worked. A mockup of a lunar rover usually displayed with the lander is currently on loan to the Smithsonian, which is using it in its traveling exhibit for its 150th anniversary.
...The museum also has a number of spacecraft and spacecraft mockups. Included are both Soviet spacecraft, such as an engineering model of the Lunakhod robotic lunar rover, and American spacecraft, including Mercury and Gemini capsules and an engineering model of the Apollo spacecraft from the Apollo-Soyuz mission.
"Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."
The goal of the "folkish government", then, Hitler declares is to "finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created."
"The folkish-minded man, in particular," Hitler concludes, "has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
In Mein Kampf, Hitler makes an emotional appeal to God to aid him and his Nazis in their divine task: "Then, from the child's story-book to the last newspaper in the country, and every theatre and cinema, every pillar where placards are posted and every free space on the hoardings should be utilized in the service of this one great mission, until the faint-hearted cry, "Lord, deliver us," which our patriotic associations send up to Heaven to-day would be transformed into an ardent prayer: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the hour comes. ' " Later, when Nazi troops swarmed over Europe, each of them wore an army-issue belt buckle inscribed with the words "God is With Us".
Where did he get a life sized fully functioning LEM to film in?
Where did he get the large, extremely detailed and accurate moon scape from which he could film his alleged fly over of the anomaly?
Originally posted by wylekat
I need to ask an honest question- Why are some of you people so hard pressed in believing a proven hoax? It almost begs of a mental disorder. Honestly and truly. I can sit here and wish and believe my cat can talk perfect english, and after a while, I could even begin to believe it. Does that make my cat speak? NO.
GET. A. GRIP. I already have said it's a fake. Others have. We've all shown the how and the why. Mebbe it's a personal preference, but anything that has this amount of fakery attached to it, does NOT have any truth in it whatsoever.
I feel I have just been shouting into a wind again... but maybe someone will catch a clue, huh?
[edit on 9-6-2009 by wylekat]
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
reply to post by weedwhacker
Seems to me your mind is made up and therefore you are not open to debating this? The person who made the film has to have had access to a LEM to film in or he has gone to the expense and time to build himself a highly detailed replica! The same goes with the lunar landscape. It's either real or it's a very well done fake but to start making claims that it's possible to rent out a LEM to film in is a bit weird. I hope you're joking about that?
Like I said before, there's huge problems with a lot of the films originally released on youtube by retired afb but the most interesting are the flyovers as they are either real or somebody has paid a lot of money and put in a lot of time to create a hoax he can never claim credit for. Either way it is worthy of debate and shouldn't be dismissed so easily.