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How Is This Not Upsetting Blacks? New Song Produced Called "Whip It Like A Slave"

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posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by mostlyspoons
Rap sucks anyway

theres no musical value at all. Period. It is a tool of the music industry for controlling black youth, and serves to perpetuate racial divides.


umm this is totally not true unless you consider rap and hip hop 2 different things (which i do) mcs (rappers) are some of the best poets living today imo but not rappers like lil wayne and stuff those guys are just idiots..

also hip hop is VERY musical ive seen a lot of hip hop acts live and they have whole bands... like the roots for example every dude in that group is a rapper but they also all play instruments and are very talented... theres a bunch of other hip hop groups too with full bands... so dont go saying all hip hop is not musical and theres no talent in it..

also another thing i always see people saying "i could do that" when they see a rapper but then i ask them to rap and they cant even do one single line... rapping is actually much harder then people give credit for and imo its a talent just like singing or anything and it takes years of training to get good at. a lot of people think all rapping is just talking over a beat... which it kinda is its just talking with rhythm kinda... but a lot of rappers also blend singing into their rapping style and all of that takes massive amounts of talent and not anyone can do it.

but yes i do agree with you that all the rap music we see on mtv and stuff was just created by the industry to control and dumb down black people and enforce negative stereotypes... but please dont go discounting all hip hop music just because of that.. you might not like it but you have to atleast give it credit.




posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by conspiracyrus
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Im glad you listen to Wu and yes Rza imo is a producing genius .. i mean hells wind staffs beat was the greatest work of art in the 20th century , Rza amazes me every time using instruments that are off tune and off beat to make a track that is worthy of only the best ... why dont more rappers use his tracks? simply becuase they cannot speak on them. Lil wayne would be confounded if presented a RZA track


this guy knows what hes talking about... wu tang is one of my FAVORITE GROUPS EVER! rza is a genius and a very smart and down to earth guy it seems if you watch interviews with him hes very well spoken and doesnt really use slang and stuff which is like amazing cause when i see interviews with rappers they are usually using all slang and making themselves look ignorant. i dont like their music to much anymore and i dont really like their group albums but they got a lot of solo albums that are AMAZING...

gzas liquid swords i think is a amazing album the lyrics on that album are freaking mindblowing imo... when i first heard that cd in 1996 or so i wasnt to into hip hop and ithought it was all dumb gangsta stuff then i heard that and other wu tang stuff and i realized you could rap about anything (even though wu tang talk about "gangsta" stuff they talk about it in a smart way and dont really make it look appealing and glamorize it like a lot of rappers do nowadays).

another guy who raps PURE POETRY that is absolutely beautiful is Killah Priest (dont discount him cause of his name he is a genius with words). After listening to every killah priest song i have to go on the net and read and learn about what he was talking about cause every single song is full of religous symbolism (i donno if thats the right word) and stuff like that and he talks a lot about religion and ancient civilizations which i think is amazing to hear a rapper (or any musician for that matter) talking about... hes truly amazing. A lot of people dont dig him to much though cause he doesnt exactly "rap" he more talks over beats but thats his style hes more of a poet then a rapper.

another guy who raps about weird things that most rappers would never touch upon is Canibus hes really good too except sometiems he gets annoying and sometimes he comes off like hes just spouting a lot of jargon and big words to sound intelligent... but he is obviously really intelligent just sometimes he comes off kinda arrogant or something. hes a great rapper too tho.

He actually talks about a lot of stuff you'd read about on this website in his raps... i wouldnt be surprised if he was a member of this site lol.

but anyways those are a few examples of GOOD RAPPERS with substance in their music if anyone thinks all hip hop music is stupid and ignorant id reccomend checking out some of the guys i just named.

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posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by jackieps1975
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Sampling really killed any respect I could have grown to have for the (rap/hip-hop) genre. How can anyone respect music that is not even original? Just another piece of evidence to support the fact that our society is completely lacking in creativity and original thought.

It's more sad than anything.


sampling has always been used in hip hop its not anything new its just that in most hip hop songs you couldnt even tell where the sample came from and they add all kinda stuff to it to make it their own.

imo its highly original and it started with poor kids who couldnt afford instruments and they still wanted to make music and had a passion for it so waht they did was mix together drum beats and sounds from funk and soul albums ...etc and rapped over them thats how rap got started... simply cause some poor kids who couldnt afford instruments wanted to make music...

but nowadays we have idiots like puff daddy who have no creativity at all and just straight up steal old songs and rap over them.

also i dont listen to hip hop music for the beats anyways i listen to hear what the mc has to say and learn about new things i never new about (yes there is al ot of hip hop music that well teach you things, its not all ignorant and stupid)

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posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 07:08 AM
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7 pages about one crap song!


Is this really worthy of ATS?



posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by Diplomat
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Do you even know anything about rap producers? Most of the best producers today compose every part of the beat, they don't remake some old song. Yes, there are some producers who still use the sampling method, but the best beats are the ones that are original compositions.

One example that I bet no one on this board has even heard of because they have no idea what they're talking about and only know about Snoop Dog and Jay-Z is a Bay Area producer named Rob-Lo. He produces most tracks for The Jacka. He barely ever "samples" old songs and his beats are amazing for the most part.

I have never seen a thread with so many ignorant responses before. Some other guy saying that Lil' Wayne is the artist who always says "YEA" and "OKAY" and sells Crunk Juice? What the hell are you guys talking about? You sound so out of touch. People should not comment on things that they have no knowledge about.


i dont quite agree with this my favorite producer ever is rza and he uses a lot of samples although i seen interviews with him recently and he says he uses a lot of synths now... rza has always been really unique with it though he would blend samples with weird trippy synths and gritty drums. But also rza would tweak the samples so much that theres no way you could tell where they came from so essentially he made them his own.

imo sampling is a part of hip hop and ive noticed i tend to like the songs that have samples in them more then the ones without samples... the reason is i like that gritty sound that samples give where you can hear the record noise and stuff in it... hip hop nowadays is to pretty sounding... i miss the gritty dirty stuff like wu tang and stuff.

everything nowadays is to overproduced imo.

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posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Mekanic
Why aren't they throwing a fit? Because Lil Wayne is black. If Vanilla Ice sang it, he'd be dead.

I have a great solution to the racial crap. From here forth, everybody pays the same taxes, gets the same penalties for crime, nobody gets tax havens, such as reservations. Nobody gets "reparations" for something that happened 200 years ago. Nobody gets special treatment for their race, culture, religion, etc.

I'm really sick of how the indians get their own tax free land, and they can have casinos or do whatever they want. I didn't take their land, nor did anybody else alive today.

Black schools? Really? You're that special? Wasn't it the black people who asked to be let into white schools?

Drop the whole race thing. Probably half of the racial crap I hear comes from the supposed minorities. But no the minorities outweigh the whites, and get special treatment for most things.

Immigration. Yea, this has become a racial issue too. So here's the plan. When an illegal immigrant is caught for something, register them as a legal citizen, and make them start paying taxes, and paying for insurance. Instead of costing the taxpayers more money by shipping them back to Mexico fifty times.

Sorry about the rant, I'm done.



I just want to say that this is a really freaking IGNORANT post. I just started posting on this site and im not trying to immediatly get in arguments i jus want to say that most the stuff in his post is completely untrue imo.

Really quickly tho... what black schools are you talking about? I'm assuming you're talking about those colleges where its mainly blacks... well those arent "black schools" im pretty sure its just mainly blacks that go to those schools im sure its not in their rules or anything that only blacks can go, i bet just not much white people or other races apply.

Also about the taxes thing last i checked I pay the same taxes as you buddy boy. Also what black people or people with color get any special treatment from the law and get off from crimes (lol this one made me laugh considering its a known fact that cops... etc racially profile) The only black guy i can think of that got off for something is OJ (and everyone knows oj did it, even black people think he did it)

I do agree about the immigrant thing i personally dont think we should be allowing ANYONE into this country at all.

Also i think mainly in your post you are talking about the "white man is holding us down" type of black people like jesse jackson or those other idiots. I just want you to know that as a black man i dont think anyone is holding me down and a good portion of black people think those types of people who think liek that are idiots. Just so you know. This doesnt surprise me though that you think all blacks think like this cause im willing to bet you dont personally have a single black friend or even know anyone whos black. But if you ask around you'll see a good portion of them dont think like that.

Also i dont know one single black guy that ever talks about slavery lol. My grandparents talk about racism back in the 40s and stuff but thats the only racism talk i ever hear from my family and friends (who are all mostly black).

I dont know a single black guy asking for reparations or whatever.

Also I don't know anyone wellfare. But yes its true a lot of blacks are on wellfare but if you look at the numbers just as much whites and latinos are on it too. I hate how people act is if wellfare is only for black people lol anyone can apply for it.

I just have no freaking idea what this "special treatment" you're talking about is.

You're really reaching to prove your point man.

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posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 07:20 AM
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Oh yes. Keep going. We'll whip it like a slave.

I want to add that black people don't really get upset when they hear stuff like this unless it comes from a white person and even then they have to be looking for an excuse to express their rage. Then it is the worst thing in the world. Black person says it... OK. White person says it... the devil!

Like when Imus (I know. I know. An idiot for sure.) was talking about nappy .ed hoes. There was nothing wrong, but Media used it to incite racial hatred (black on white) and racial guilt (white on white). I've even heard a black rapper saying that black people are hypocritical because they use the same lingo that Imus used and they have no reason to mad at Imus (except that he is a Media tool).

People don't realize how much the Media tries to control them. Do you think Kanye would be popular if he didn't come from Chicago when Obama was running?



posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by Heatburger
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I hope this doesn't come out wrong, but I feel that I myself should not feel guilty for something someone so far back in my bloodline did (may or may not have, I don't know much about my family history, i doubt we were plantation owners though). I don't agree with it at all in any way shape or form, but why should I have to carry guilt for the errors someone else made? If the whole world worked like this in every aspect of our lives (regretting something our ancestors did), we wouldn't get anything done. We'd be too busy worrying about the past to move on in the world.

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you shoudlnt feel guilty at all you did nothing wrong.. and im a black guy and im saying this! sure maybe some people in your family past were slave owners but that doesnt mean you are a slave owner or a racist... basically as long as your not a racist i have no problem with you.

A lot of white guys have whats called "white guilt" for the whole slavery thing which i dont really get cause none of you guys were involved in it and none of your living family was. nothing to feel guilty about.



posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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nevermind... sorry for making so many posts guys i just got kidna riled up
... is there anyway to delete posts?

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posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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They aren't just rednecks. They are somewhat legendary in their own musical genre's. You can find Jackie Phelps on quite a few albums playing in the band.

Eefin is not really my thing, but i find these two guys (and their "Hambone Brothers" bit) hilarious.

Eefing was originally done in the same way that beatboxing was. Except the point is to emulate the sounds of the barnyard animal, and not a drum machine.

I wish i could make my hands do that farting sound like he does. That is what sets him apart from others, i think (although there aren't many others who actually have done this musical style..it is pretty esoteric).



posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 04:22 AM
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Would you say that all of Rza's music is playable for the kids? I've read your posts and most of what you have said I agree with,but there are naturally things I don't agree with. For example you portraying all positive rap as being "playable". This is a blanket statement and it is incorrect, any defense of it is hypocritical. I have the Afro Samurai soundtrack and their is a track on there by Rza that is tight up until you get 3 minutes into the song.

I don't play that particular track when I'm around anybody. IMO he could have left that verse out. You mentioned Wu, they on the whole and indivisually are no better. Meth is constantly bragging about how he smokes SES, and the group has many songs that perpetuate violence.

I remember when rap first started and it didn't have the debasement and disrespect that rap and hip-hop has today.

Maybe you should re-define what you classify as being "positive". You can't have one positive record or one positive Cd and make a movie about getting Lit like Meth did, or use the "N" word through out your songs as they do as a group.

If you haven't guessed yet, I view that word as disrespect in the worst way and we disrespect ourselves when we use it. Not thanks to the efforts of a few ignorant rappers that put that stupid spin on that word you have other races saying it like never before.

I don't fault them,I fault us.

We created rap and we are the ones that defiled it, and now these ignorant few has the world viewing through the negative image rap has made.

BTW, thanks for not using that same old wore out line about how"they are just rapping about things they see everyday.



posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 06:13 AM
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Blame Rick Ruben and the Beastie Boys?
The meteoric rise of Jay-Z certainly multiplied the N-word in the universe.
The MEDIA are force feeding the filth to the world.
Smart rap just doesn't get pushed like crack vials.



posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Glad you actually READ my post. When did I single out blacks for not paying taxes? Pretty sure if you're black and NOT paying taxes, you're not working, like you should be. The tax reference was to the deadbeats who refuse to work and don't pay taxes, and those fit in ALL races. Don't know where you are from, but if you come to Wisconsin, you'll see that we have indian reservations all over, and the indians don't pay taxes. Sorry, I didn't steal their land.

My post was aimed at racism in general. You're right, I don't have a single black friend, I did, until he screwed my girlfriend. My ex-roommate was black, he was a gang member and a drug dealer, so were his brothers. They didn't pay taxes, and blamed the white man for it. Lived next door to a black family for a while, and the kid would never stay out of my garage. I caught him in there at least once a week, and when I told him that he needed to stay out, his father came out and threatened to kill me. Now I do my best to put my racist ways behind me, and support the equal rights crap, but why is it then, that 90% of my inter-racial experiences end badly, and aren't my fault?

I can say the same crap about women too. The ones screaming for equal rights are the same ones going home to the rich hubbies asking for money to spend while the man is at work.

Equal rights? Fine, but make everybody stick to them, no special treatment.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by THX-1138
Blame Rick Ruben and the Beastie Boys?
The meteoric rise of Jay-Z certainly multiplied the N-word in the universe.
The MEDIA are force feeding the filth to the world.
Smart rap just doesn't get pushed like crack vials.


I totally agree. rappers like Ice-T and Cube Were two of the main ones that use to as an excuse to justify using that word. They didn't see the flood gate they were opening up because some people are just looking for a green light to pursue a certain logic that they know is flawed. Evidence of this can be seen every time I hear "it's all how you say it". That's ridiculous, there is no good way to say that word.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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This is awesome. It's just like all those club songs girls dance to with horrible, degrading and often abusive lyrics about women.

People are idiots.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by baseball101
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yeah, i know that, but just imagine if a white person made this, dude.


Dude, who cares. Lil Wayne sucks, and its this type of stuff that furthers separation between races.

Each race should be able to say what they want. Why? Freedom of speech.

Tensions are still there...its useless banter like this that doesn't help the situation. Find something better to argue over.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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"Sticks and Stones!"

Who cares. Today a white person can say the same thing as a black person. It is the whining press and a few sensitive fringe elements that make a big deal, not the general blacks or whites.

Take any disparaging statement with the N-word, and substitute whatever you want, and it is still a disparaging statement.

Now take an empowering, emotional, reflective statement and insert the N-word and it only makes it that much more meaningful.

In other words, it isn't the PC term that changes things. It is the context!

I mentioned the ghetto-pass in humor earlier, but I didn't realize the thread would get this much attention. Where I grew up, the N-word is commonly used by whites (there are very few blacks). They are not racists, it is just the common terminology from an older era. Where I live now, the racial lines are more clearly drawn. Most people (black or white) don't use it, but when they do it draws quick scrutiny. It quickly becomes funny, or taboo. It either gets tossed around a whole bunch, or draws quick criticism.

It is very humorous as I illustrated before, when someone uses the word uncomfortably. It really doesn't matter if the person using it is black or white, because a sophisticated or light-skinned black person will draw just as much ire as someone white.

If someone called me a honky or cracker, I could easily get up-in-arms, pull the PC card, cause a stink, probably get them fired if it happened at work, or expelled if it happened at school. The same rules apply, but is it because I am truly offended, or is it just an excuse to punish an overall bad behaviour.

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This happened to my wife (white) who called another girl (white) at work a cracker. They were not even at work, they were dancing at a club (hence the context, lol), but someone else overheard the conversation, and my wife got called into the office on Monday. Ridiculous!)

It seems very silly that someone could jokingly call me a cracker and get fired, but they could maliciously call me a caucasion and there isn't much I could do?


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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 01:20 AM
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Why would African Americans be offended? Not one of them alive today has been or ever will be a slave. It's a pretty moot point.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 02:23 AM
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Who really cares? The whole "race card" thing needs to be buried. We're facing much bigger issues. The ignorant my skin is white, yours is black thing is slowly dying. Let it go.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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Aside from Hurricane Chris, Lil Wayne is quite possibly the worst rapper of all time... I seriousyl cannot understand what people see in the guy. His lyrics are excrement, his voice is horrible, he sounds like he's screeching half the time, and his lyrics are not impressive... I mean, he just sucks.... he's like a clown, a joke... I mean, I listen to hip-hop alot... its probably my favorite genre, but I just don't see anything good in Lil Wayne



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