How Is This Not Upsetting Blacks? New Song Produced Called "Whip It Like A Slave", page 5

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reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 03:13 PM by alienstrangler

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by mostlyspoons
Rap sucks anyway

theres no musical value at all. Period. It is a tool of the music industry for controlling black youth, and serves to perpetuate racial divides.

That's just an ignorant statement is all that is. Define music. What is "music?" It is simply putting sounds together with rhythm, which is exactly what rap does. I think maybe you just don't like the "content" of which most rap artists choose to rap about.

Here's food for thought. Remember when rap was like the black man's punk anti establishment expression? Remember Grand Master Flash, Heavy D, Fat Boys, Snow, 3rd Bass, Curtis Blow, N.W.A., KRS-1, L.L. Cool J., Run DMC? These old schoolers couldn't have been more different but they actually for the most part produced music using musical instruments. Today, these so called artists rip off (dub) all kinds of songs even from groups like the clash, steve miller band, and other truly talented musicians. Rap is slang for speaking. The fact that they have to blatantly and frequently rip other artists off displays their lack of musical abilities. Don't even get me started on the voice box synthesizer- T. pain, Sean Kingston, etc. Peter Frampton was doing that back in the 70's. All these guys talk about is their jewels, pools, bitches & hoes. I can only attribute the success of these idiots to other idiots buying this crap. This is an in your face manifestation of the stupidifacation of America.

{pouring a 40oz in remembrance to the og nigga EZ-E... he never would've wanted to see rap taken into this ultramainstream direction}

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 03:15 PM by justsomeboreddude

reply to post by alienstrangler

I used to love Public Enemy back in the day. I am white and I remember running around singing in my head about beating down the white man. Now that is some good music, when it makes you sing about taking out your own race.

Do you see the incredibly funny irony of having your user name in a thread about a song that is about....

I have two new terms for this man on man crime.

[edit on 6/4/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 03:22 PM by jackieps1975

reply to post by justsomeboreddude

LOL, I always wanted to try stand up. Maybe I will give it a shot in the near future. I dont see anything wrong with it if its not hateful. Nothing Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle does is really hateful. Well except maybe when Chapelle said he would like to kill a slave master on every show.

Anyway it was still funny. I mean he even went as far as to create a skit about a blind black man who was racist against black people because he didnt know he was black. It ended with a part about him divorcing his white wife after 20 years because he figured she was an N lover, because she married him and he found out he was black.

I absolutely love the Chappelle show and I miss it! That was a great episode, truly a classic! I agree with everything you said. I've never been offended by that type of comedy. I don't find it hateful in the slightest. Perhaps if white people would stop walking on egg shells around black people, more barriers would be broken... but who knows really. I am positive that at this point in time, a white comedian telling black jokes would not be well received at all. Seriously, just think about how that would go over! People are so pre-conditioned to take things out of context, it's ridiculous!

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 03:25 PM by jackieps1975

reply to post by alienstrangler

Sampling really killed any respect I could have grown to have for the (rap/hip-hop) genre. How can anyone respect music that is not even original? Just another piece of evidence to support the fact that our society is completely lacking in creativity and original thought.

It's more sad than anything.

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 03:36 PM by beebs

Sorry if someone already said it, but this isn't that big of a deal haha.

Listen to tha Carter 3 - i think its on tha Leak.

The song is called 'Whip It'. But he has 'gotten away with it' MAINSTREAM, so when new mixtape songs come out with something like this, its not that big of a deal.

Lil wayne has a habit of using old lines, for new hooks. He has new songs come out almost every week. If you have ever heard Go DJ, he has taken at least ten lines from that song and used them for new songs that he can rap to.

'Add another finger to the peace sign, thats a W and a B sign, BI*CH'
-Weezy FB

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 04:01 PM by Ben Niceknowinya

Originally posted by jackieps1975
reply to post by JipStix

That being said, I can appreciate talent from any musical genre, whether it's my preference at not

Me too. Well said Jackieps.

I, on the other hand am in my 30's and still love my hip hop. I grew up with it, and STILL a B-Boy. That's just me.

I agree 100% about Lil' Wayne.
How someone can buy any of his albums is beyond me.

Most of hip hop today is absolute junk. Same sh*t in same song.
Commercial garbage with "hooks."
As for Hip Hop Americana (especially 80's & 90's) I still LOVE IT!
It's why I have to stick up for the hip hop community, because it's generally labeled as ________.

[edit on 4-6-2009 by Ben Niceknowinya]

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 04:18 PM by alienstrangler

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by alienstrangler

I used to love Public Enemy back in the day. I am white and I remember running around singing in my head about beating down the white man. Now that is some good music, when it makes you sing about taking out your own race.

Do you see the incredibly funny irony of having your user name in a thread about a song that is about....

I have two new terms for this man on man crime.

[edit on 6/4/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

ha ha, i forgot to mention public enemy! but I was more into the reggae thing, Bob Marley, Peter Tosh, Jimmy Cliff etc. I met my good good friend Jermaine Jackson about 20 years ago. He was from New Orleans LA. His family moved here to Orange County CA. He was the most colorful funniest brotha one could meet. Not a mean bone in his body. We were shootin hoops when he arrived on scene for a pick up game dressed in Girbaud jeans (remember them?) british knights kicks, and a polo shirt. The most striking thing he wore was a belt with a giant silver buckle he nicknamed buster. I asked him why he named it buster, his reply "cuz i bust messcans over the head". I laughed my ass off takin no offense as i was only half mexican & don't speak a lick of spanish. I skated, surfed & really didn't relate to the whole "mexican raza culture (which was not fully established at that time, yes our border patrol used to be effective). Anyway, I turned him on to Led Zeppelin, the reggae, even metal & punk. He got me into NWA, public enemy and soul food. We always laughed when he'd grab our skateboards to show us he could skate and ended up bustin his ass. Pretty soon we we're like brothers, he'd call me messcan & I'd call him nigga. One day we were ridin our bikes thru this apt. complex & i decided to bunny hop over this puddle, last thing i remember was the front wheel flyin off in midair(4got to tighten the quick release lever). The fork crashed into the ground & i was comatose. When i came to i remember hearing the distant echoey voice of my good friend sayin, yo! messcan! u allright?! i started laughing. i was ok...

I'm a newbie here so unfortunately I cannot post an original thread yet. But here's a story that more than qualifies to have it's place here on ATS. We were drivin home from football practice and we were stopped by what looked like a white chrysler "k" car with no markings. We were ordered out of the car immediately AT GUNPOINT. We were scared #less but all i can remember is us bein on the ground no rights read, no intro, no nuthin. I remember the other guy lacin into Jermaine for no reason. These were two white men dressed in what looked like paramilitary black fatigues. My friend was scared for his life and started crying, i yelled at them askin wtf are you doing?! i told them u got the wrong guys, we didnt do anything!! They were cold, heartless and scary. The real crazy thing? NO WITNESSES. I felt violated. From then on I was indoctrinated into the real world of racial bigotry and my eyes widened with realization to the plight of the black man. You see, it starts early. The tactic is to scare you into hating authority by virtue of fear and injustice. I felt like a black man, but we were boys. I felt the sting of hatred. It sticks so much that police can smell the hostility running through my veins to this day. I have had many encounters since then and have become a master at dealing with them... Not to get off topic, but true rap has lost it's essence... "the black man's punkrock" so to speak. I'll never forget my nigga Jermaine wherever he is today. Our innocence was shattered. Mainstream movies, fake bitch-ass nigga rappers, and television shows only serve as to further bridge the gap of human relations no matter what their color. As long as it makes $ for the producers.

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 04:20 PM by getreadyalready

Listen to the new Britney Spears song. The lyrics sound exactly like something I can't even type here. She says everybody wants to F. X. X. X. me! My wife and I could not believe it when we were listening to it on the radio!

The actual lyrics are supposedly, "If You Seek Amy." But that is not what is being sung!

www.metrolyrics.com...

But all of the boys, and all of the girls are begging to . if . you. see. k amy!

If you read all the lyrics in the link, the chorus doesn't make sense unless you read it phoenetically, LOL!

She is right! But that can't be legal! Rappers would never get away with it.

[edit on 4-6-2009 by getreadyalready]

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 04:23 PM by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
I don't find much artistic value in composing songs about having sex on each and every song on an album.

Tell me. How many rap albums do you own that you base this complaint on, and which albums, by which artists?

When 2 Live Crew did it, it was a humorous diversion. NWA did it, but not every single song, and much of their music discussed their daily lives. Crude, yet artistically viable.

With Lil Wayne, it is all about "Money, Clothes, and Ho's". That is much of what we hear on the radio.

As pretty much everyone is telling you, not all music within a genre is equal. Lil Wayne is to rap what Avril is to punk and Creed is to... Well, what Creed is to music as a concept. He sucks. And like the two I just compared him to, he makes money because he sucks. He has no message, no feeling, nothing of nutritional value exists in his music. And that's the only kind of music that ends up on the radio. if you haven't noticed, even your own favorite artists, whoever they may be, tend to have only their most mediocre music played on the radio. And since radio is basically advertising from start to finish...

As previous posters have mentioned, music by folks like Wu Tang or Del is good stuff. But that is completely overshadowed over the last 5 years by stuff like Lil Wayne and Yin Yang Twins.

DMX, Immortal Technique, and numerous other rappers continue to put out quality music.

Metallica sang 1 song about suicide (Fade to Black), based on a friend of the band. It was a song about a dark moment in their life.

Then why is it every half-hour I hear "Cyanide! Suicide! I've already died!" repeated about thirty times on the radio?

Seriously, I hate that song, mostly because it's about twenty minutes long, has like two lines of lyrics, and sounds like every other Metallica song ever made... But I digress...

But the point here is, many of the bands you describe sing about things OTHER than sex. They are not 1 trick pony's.

And many of the rappers you're talking about also make music about more things than sex.

Well, okay. Lil Wayne doesn't, but I think I already covered that hius music is usless anyway.

And that is the problem. Musical Pornography is allowed in mainstream use, all the while we (as a nation) decry teen pregnancy rates. The town i live in has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the state of Texas. It is a real problem here.

And this is rap's fault? Frankly it's more likely due to the idiocy of abstinance-only sex education coupled with bad parenting

How many parents do you think even know what the term "skeet, skeet, skeet" means? Yet it is played, unedited, on the radio. Is it not unnerving to you to hear a 7 year old singing lyrics like that to songs on the radio?

Not really, because the 7 year old has no idea what it means, either. But it does remind me of my little sister in her carseat years back, singing along with Jim Morrison, "MOJO RISING! RISING, RISING! GOT MY MOJO RISING!"

Clearly the Doors have no artistic value either!

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 05:37 PM by beebs

Haha you guys are blowing it way out of proportion...

Lil Wayne will never be able to compare to rappers that WRITE.

HE DOESN'T. (as far as I am aware, though I've had my suspicions)

He does what he wants... just watch the katie couric interview or when he was on the view... both on youtube I'm sure.

He would be laughing his ass off if he knew about this thread... At least I don't think someone that smokes as much as he does could get pissed haha.

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:02 PM by Heatburger

reply to post by beebs

This. Haha he even says it in A Milli

"Through the pencil and leak on the sheet of the tablet
In my mind 'cause I don't write s***, 'cause I ain't got time"

He makes mindless music that has some self-respecting audiophiles such as myself admitting "hey, that's catchy," and listening to it. I won't lie. If I just want to hear the bass thump and not think about what I'm listening to, I dig his music a lot. And quite frankly some of it is hilarious, and that adds another facet (no matter how mindless) of entertainment value my normal music choices don't.

[edit on 4-6-2009 by Heatburger]

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:14 PM by Diplomat

reply to post by alienstrangler

Do you even know anything about rap producers? Most of the best producers today compose every part of the beat, they don't remake some old song. Yes, there are some producers who still use the sampling method, but the best beats are the ones that are original compositions.

One example that I bet no one on this board has even heard of because they have no idea what they're talking about and only know about Snoop Dog and Jay-Z is a Bay Area producer named Rob-Lo. He produces most tracks for The Jacka. He barely ever "samples" old songs and his beats are amazing for the most part.

I have never seen a thread with so many ignorant responses before. Some other guy saying that Lil' Wayne is the artist who always says "YEA" and "OKAY" and sells Crunk Juice? What the hell are you guys talking about? You sound so out of touch. People should not comment on things that they have no knowledge about.

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:15 PM by beebs

reply to post by Heatburger

Haha totally. He has a lot of references I bet a lot of his fans don't even understand. He did really well in school and is really smart.

He makes songs for the masses(aka Lollipop and such), and then he continues to make solid songs that are for the people that understand how he works and is(like most songs on his mixtapes).

How about his Rock?!?

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:19 PM by beebs

reply to post by Diplomat

YES! I know haha! I came on this thread, and I was so astonished at how far gone the discussion was.

And for those that think lil wayne sucks, well, I think you just can't keep up with his lyrics to tell you the truth. Its witty, and sometimes not spelled out - or has a deeper meaning you can't get on the first listen. Some are even references to things in his life or references to past songs - which is the case for this song.

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:33 PM by SaraThustra

All races have been slaves at one time or another and I'm sure there were times when they got whipped.

In America alone there were five times as many white slaves than black, that's the way many people paid for the trip to the new world, selling themselves for a period of time. Many whites were sold to companies to pay off debts from the old world which is why there is a tradition (until now) of looking down on debtors prison. It was generally called indentured servitude but after buying your things from the company store it could easily last a lifetime.

Black slaves actually cost much more than their white counterparts because the white slaves were more difficult to catch when they ran off - they more easily blended in to the population.

Either way - that's not what this song is about.

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:34 PM by Heatburger

reply to post by beebs

Hahah man. Prom Queen annoys me, and as such I haven't bothered to dig for the rest of it (Is that new album out yet?) but I'll probably end up caving and at least downloading it for a test drive.

I think this new album was done pretty much for the masses, because of how many "Hardcore/scene Kids" (I know you know the type, they're everywhere!) are MAJOR Lil Wayne fans. It's ridiculous. He played a random show in our sportscenter a year or so ago (very random, without giving out exact location, I'll just say it's a little country city of about 40,000 people, and it was our first concert since KISS burnt the sportscenter down in like the 80's) and 95% of the crowd consisted of these "scene kids"

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:46 PM by justsomeboreddude

reply to post by Heatburger

This whole thread inspired me to write a song.

Hey
hey
a what up
a what up

They call me the Alien Strangler
when I grab the alien
I put it in danger
I try to do it ofen
Helps me manage my anger

I squeeze it so tight
The head's about to pop
After I am done
it starts to drop

If your alien starts to stare at you
I recomend you try choking it to
Nothing feels better than starangling the alien
Sometimes when I do it, I think of choking Sarah Palin.

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:46 PM by beebs

reply to post by Heatburger

Yeah I usually don't remember the names of the songs - there is just too many. I can remember beats and lyrics, thats all I am concerned about. But I remember the name Prom Queen, and I remember it sucked. There has been probably about ten more Rock-type songs that are alright that have been out on mixtapes(which you can get on limewire if you know how to work past the popular songs that drown limewire).

skip to 1:15 if you wanna hear wayne

YouTube Link

This lilwaynesite has most of the new songs in a media player, or clips of new ones.

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:49 PM by Heatburger

reply to post by justsomeboreddude

Funny funny. Put some music to it!

Hahahah and that's why I say some mindless hilarity isn't always a bad thing. People have to keep a sense of humor.

reply to post by beebs

Cool, I'll check it out when i get home (at work, no speakers). I haven;t checked out anything on mixtapes, just the albums. I'll have to do some hunting when I get to my PC

[edit on 4-6-2009 by Heatburger]

reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 06:54 PM by Mekanic

Why aren't they throwing a fit? Because Lil Wayne is black. If Vanilla Ice sang it, he'd be dead.

I have a great solution to the racial crap. From here forth, everybody pays the same taxes, gets the same penalties for crime, nobody gets tax havens, such as reservations. Nobody gets "reparations" for something that happened 200 years ago. Nobody gets special treatment for their race, culture, religion, etc.

I'm really sick of how the indians get their own tax free land, and they can have casinos or do whatever they want. I didn't take their land, nor did anybody else alive today.

Black schools? Really? You're that special? Wasn't it the black people who asked to be let into white schools?

Drop the whole race thing. Probably half of the racial crap I hear comes from the supposed minorities. But no the minorities outweigh the whites, and get special treatment for most things.

Immigration. Yea, this has become a racial issue too. So here's the plan. When an illegal immigrant is caught for something, register them as a legal citizen, and make them start paying taxes, and paying for insurance. Instead of costing the taxpayers more money by shipping them back to Mexico fifty times.

Sorry about the rant, I'm done.