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How Is This Not Upsetting Blacks? New Song Produced Called "Whip It Like A Slave"

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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 02:19 AM
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Im glad you listen to Wu and yes Rza imo is a producing genius .. i mean hells wind staffs beat was the greatest work of art in the 20th century , Rza amazes me every time using instruments that are off tune and off beat to make a track that is worthy of only the best ... why dont more rappers use his tracks? simply becuase they cannot speak on them. Lil wayne would be confounded if presented a RZA track




posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 02:22 AM
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EDIT: I think I replied to the wrong person...this was directed at whomever said they didn't want to listen to music that talked bad about women...

The actual post:

Wow. That argument is pretty tired. Most all "radio" music nowdays somehow talks bad about women.

As far as music with guitars is concerned (I get the impression that that may be your taste) most everything written and sung by a man is negative towards women. Be it "emo" or country or rock or hardcore in the sense that they broke a man's heart or in rap where we (women) did the same with more vulgarities, most current music is all the same. Woman breaks man's heart, man gets over it and gets on with his life.

The only thing rappers do different is flaunt their money or their "roots" a bit more in their music. As a primary "indie" music fan, I can appreciate rap music for those reasons. Most all of them tell a story, fictitious or not, it's a story, and that is why I appreciate what rappers have to say. They have the balls to say the words most other genres of music I listen to don't.

Freedom of speech. Just because a musician uses "offensive" words does not mean they should have any less of a right to make their music than other musicians of another "less offensive" genre.

I can say, as a woman, that I can get over the obceneties directed at my gender and appreciate the meaning/story behind the whole song, regardless of how it portrays me. It's an art form. Express how you feel fit, as far as I'm concerned.

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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 02:39 AM
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Eh , im looking at this thread carefully and im not going to be offensive at all, I truly believe that rap is an awesome instrument it allows a different "feel" i can only appropriate that feeling to such rappers as almost entirely wu tang clan ... as well as big pun streetlife and pharoah monch being a non "offensive" source and with redman as a sometimes great lyricist
Rap does not belittle women ... rappers with bad taste belittle women ... real lyricists take every word and make them a metaphor to make a comparison to your life experiences, not money not "B_tches or H_es or Money" they relate real experiences, feelings and honesty with the situation.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan


I see little artistic value in most of it. Rap has gotten to where it lacks originality. It uses sampled music from past musical "greats"


Actually it doesn't. "Some" does, but most of it doesn't. The rap producers who I appreciate do not "sample" old songs, they compose every single piece of the "beat." I think you are just referring to "mainstream rap" that you hear on MTV or your local "hip-hop" radio station. Most of you obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to rap music, so why even speak on it?



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 03:13 AM
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Maybe I worded myself poorly or something, but this is pretty well what I was getting at. Music is expression. The popular stuff one hears on the radio is more "offensive to women" than anything.

What I was trying to get at was the fact that radio music gives that bad reputation to rap more than anything, but if one listens, the same things are said in all genres of music that gets radio play...I just went off on a tangeant in doing so, I guess.

To put it in ATS terms...more influence from the MSM. It may not be news media, but it is mainstream media in music form nontheless. More mediums to incite hostility, perhaps.

And yeah. Semi random, but Wu Tang is the "stuff" so to say...to please the filters on here...



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 03:26 AM
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It would be great if people just stopped being so incredibly sensitive, making a huge issue about everything. Honestly.

(I'm not referring to the OP, just in general. Everyone seems to have such a thin skin nowadays).



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 03:29 AM
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And? So what? No, seriously, can you explain to me why it bothers you so that black people are able to say things with regards to other black people that white people can't?

Is it really that unfair to you that people might look at you funny if you talked about whipping slaves? Would you even want to talk about this subject?

Members of a group tend to have a little more leeway and acknowledgment when they speak of that particular group than an outsider does. That's just how it works. And yes, they are more permitted to use terms and expressions that are slurs towards themselves than an outsider is, because from most views, those terms are just not pejorative when coming from someone they would apply to.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
I see little artistic value in most of it. Rap has gotten to where it lacks originality. It uses sampled music from past musical "greats", and then applies very, very poor English that is very loosely associated in the form of metaphor for "lyrics".


Tell me. You're in Texas, right? Can you explain to me why "y'all gunna" is acceptable, but "you's finna" isn't? I encountered this all over the place in the south when I was in school: "Them there pollytishuns shun't be lettinem teach no dang EE-boniks in them schools. Ain't proper english, y'all know whud ah mean?"

As for the artistic value of rap... Really? You think your prefrred genre of music is any different? Fact is, 80% of all music made is crap, and radio only selects songs from that particular pool. There is lots of damn good rap out there, but you're not going to find it on a radio station any more than you're going to find good country, good rock, or even good classical.


Growing up i listened to a wide range of music from metal, to opera, to classical, to rap. Rap used to be good back when you had folks like Public Enemy using it to promote social awareness. Now it is musical pornography.


Again, this is different how? We've got green Day singing about masturbation and drug use, Metallica singing about suicide and going to hell, even the Stones telling us about their ravenous sexual appetites. You can't listen to modern music, and only go all Tipper Gore on one genre.


My kids are not allowed to listen to it. Not because I am prudish, but because i want them to develop thought processes that see sex as a background function of existence, not the reason for existence. If my kids are unable to interact with women in their daily lives without sexual urges and undertones, then i have done them a HUGE disservice as the person who was tasked with providing them leadership and guidance.


Well, guess you better keep the radio and TV off for a good long while man
Or, alternately, you could let them listen, and still teach them your own values. Trust me when it comes to an argument between Puff Daddy and Actual Daddy, Actual Daddy will win.

of course your kids are guaranteed to figure out their sexual lives completely independently from anything you try. But, that's never stopped a parent before.

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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 04:37 AM
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Agreed... take this into account. Consider Brittney Spears? Lil wayne copies her style in the sense that ... britney "im a whore" Spears im sure reaches more than 90pct of the world and her song is more vulgar than this one that belittles women greater than any voice in rap or modern contemporary in the "good" music world. a "Katy Perry-styled exercise in crass commercial carnality that is at once the best and worst song here. "Best because Max Martin once again works his undeniable pop magic, turning this into a trashy stomper that feels inevitable and eternal, working against any sense of taste or decorum, something that the lyrics work overtime to undercut as they insist that all the boys and all the girls still want to F, U . . . well, spell it and you'll get the picture, and if you don't, Britney's elocution will paint it for you. This sexy strut doesn't work because Britney's sexiness never was this explicit; she teased and hinted, at least in her music, and it feels wrong to have her be so nakedly vulgar here. Still, it was a necessary move, a way to stir up headlines and perhaps snatch the tabloid tiara from Katy's head." All of this is to get headline attention to make you divert from whats real.... Whats in YOUR hands. i think its all trash.

Forgive me but it seems that people are mistaking the certain genre with pop culture , come on listen to qualie or most def or floyd or petty or young for f's sake there have been people telling you for years that music is crap and that you need to decide for yourself
the long quote is not mine taken from a media source

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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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FFS, people are just too semsitive.

I'm the first one to protest about the hypocrisy and double standards surrounding racism and blacks etc.

But get real, this is just a crap song!

And if people didn't know, not all the world's slaves have been black.
Slavery has existed in nearly every single society since we first came out of the trees.

I'm not trying to trivialise or condone slavery, it is a truly horrific practice and one which should be opposed at all costs.

But come on.....this is just a very crap song!!



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by jimminycricket

Originally posted by conspiracyrus
What happened to the Wu ... i swear every one of them would eat Lil wayne alive, Quote the wu "I bomb atomically Socrates philosophies and hypothesis cant define how i be dropping these mockeries lyrically preform armed robbery" or "With the voltage of a eel i slam on amatuers who scream they keep it real!" Or this line from Meth which is debated a "triple entendre" begin "Enter the Square if you dare without a flaw im so raw that im rare"

[edit on 4-6-2009 by conspiracyrus]


How about RZA's verse on 4th chamber, that whole GZA album is amazing.

It's always sad to me to see political rap, or stuff with great wordplay ignored in preference of ignorant disrespectful garbage.


ya seriously lil wayne or whoever he is sucks

all of GZA Genius' albums are awesome

and you guys need to seriously check out

Del the Funky Homosapien - hes prolly the best lyricist ever

just to show you how bad lilwayne sucks in comparison

a feast for the ears


easily the best lyricist from Earth - hes from the future 3030



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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The slave thing is not that upsetting, I have heard the saying used for a very long time. What is very bad is the way these guys make the drug game seem ever so normal. I have lost too many family members to the streets and prison and for whatever reason they think this is all normal!


You would think they would try to encourage kids and young adults toward school and education. They glorify the "game" but seem pretty silent about the large numbers of people whose lives are ruined by prison. Then again, I guess it is all about the money to these people. Shame really.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan


I see little artistic value in most of it. Rap has gotten to where it lacks originality. It uses sampled music from past musical "greats"


Actually it doesn't. "Some" does, but most of it doesn't. The rap producers who I appreciate do not "sample" old songs, they compose every single piece of the "beat." I think you are just referring to "mainstream rap" that you hear on MTV or your local "hip-hop" radio station. Most of you obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to rap music, so why even speak on it?


Well...there is not only mainstream music (which, honestly, has become musical pornography, as i mentioned earlier), but there is also some less mainstream stuff like what comes out of Houston (chopped and screwed). That is another facet of rap that thrives on the talents of other musicians.

Of course, there is always that element that remains mostly "underground" with the populace. The "indy" music, which is what i believe you refer to. I listen to some of that kind of stuff (Del the Funky Homosapien, for example).

However, the context of this conversation is a song by Lil Wayne. Apply the context of the conversation to each post here so you will understand what was being said.


Within the context of this thread, I would say that each and every poster on this forum "knows what they are talking about" and their input is as valid as anyone else's.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Tell me. You're in Texas, right? Can you explain to me why "y'all gunna" is acceptable, but "you's finna" isn't? I encountered this all over the place in the south when I was in school: "Them there pollytishuns shun't be lettinem teach no dang EE-boniks in them schools. Ain't proper english, y'all know whud ah mean?"



I am a call center manager. In my business, being able to speak clearly using proper English is a requirement. "Ya'll gunna" is coached on in the same way as any other mispronunciation of English. I will say that folks who are more into the rap culture do VERY poorly in customer service, as they make poor representatives for the companies they work for. Note that i am not discussing black people here. It is any race that is immersed in the "hip hop culture".

When i refer to poor English above, however, let me elucidate:

I was interviewing this hispanic kid for a position as an agent in my bilingual queue. He showed up in some nice jeans, but he was sagging and his underwear was showing. He had a nice polo on, and a matching hat (worn sideways). His mother worked for me and was an excellent employee, so my expectations were high for him. He failed.

A sample response: I asked him if he had transportation to get to and from work reliably, and he replied with, "Yeah, well...I sometimes gotta go scoop up my homies around 3 so they old ladies won't be trippin' about shorties bein' left at school".

This kid thought that the above sentence was appropriate to use in a job interview. THAT is the poor English i refer to. The overuse of slang which makes it hard for the average person to understand what is being said.




As for the artistic value of rap... Really? You think your prefrred genre of music is any different? Fact is, 80% of all music made is crap, and radio only selects songs from that particular pool. There is lots of damn good rap out there, but you're not going to find it on a radio station any more than you're going to find good country, good rock, or even good classical.


I don't find much artistic value in composing songs about having sex on each and every song on an album.

When 2 Live Crew did it, it was a humorous diversion. NWA did it, but not every single song, and much of their music discussed their daily lives. Crude, yet artistically viable.

With Lil Wayne, it is all about "Money, Clothes, and Ho's". That is much of what we hear on the radio.

As previous posters have mentioned, music by folks like Wu Tang or Del is good stuff. But that is completely overshadowed over the last 5 years by stuff like Lil Wayne and Yin Yang Twins.

Again, this is different how? We've got green Day singing about masturbation and drug use, Metallica singing about suicide and going to hell, even the Stones telling us about their ravenous sexual appetites. You can't listen to modern music, and only go all Tipper Gore on one genre.



Metallica sang 1 song about suicide (Fade to Black), based on a friend of the band. It was a song about a dark moment in their life.

I don't listen to Green Day...it is "pseudo-punk" and spits on the legacy of good punk bands like The Dead Kennedy's and Black Flag.

But the point here is, many of the bands you describe sing about things OTHER than sex. They are not 1 trick pony's.




Well, guess you better keep the radio and TV off for a good long while man
Or, alternately, you could let them listen, and still teach them your own values. Trust me when it comes to an argument between Puff Daddy and Actual Daddy, Actual Daddy will win.

of course your kids are guaranteed to figure out their sexual lives completely independently from anything you try. But, that's never stopped a parent before.

[edit on 4-6-2009 by TheWalkingFox]


And that is the problem. Musical Pornography is allowed in mainstream use, all the while we (as a nation) decry teen pregnancy rates. The town i live in has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the state of Texas. It is a real problem here.

How many parents do you think even know what the term "skeet, skeet, skeet" means? Yet it is played, unedited, on the radio. Is it not unnerving to you to hear a 7 year old singing lyrics like that to songs on the radio?



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
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I think what should be just as offensive is that they are referred to as "Blacks".
I mean, come on man. Haven't we moved past that already. I'm not the most politically correct person in the world by any means but "Blacks"

I think I would afford them the dignity of at least choosing a description of them based on something other than their skin color.

African Americans, The African American community, peoples of African American decent, etc.

Sorry to be so rude but it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up when I read the heading, and I am just a Honkey from the Midwest.


Calling someone black or white or asian or whatever is far more correct than the new PC terms. If someone moved here from Africa and subsequently became a US National, it is correct, otherwise they are not African-Americans.

Also, in all my dealings with other races and cultures, the first thing a black guy asks me when describing another person is, "Was he black?" When they are describing someone to me I ask, "Was she white?" Then, if we are close friends, it goes even further to the offensive side, Was she dark skinned? Ghetto/Hood? Country? A good series of stereotypical questions can get you a very appropriate description!

Ignoring a very blatant and simple fact to be PC is just silly.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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Lil' wayne is a joke. He is not hip hop.



Lil' wayne is to hip hop what Nickleback is to rock and roll. Hope he says something stupid and gets clipped.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Not all Slaves were Black ...

The term Slave is derived from Slav, who categorically belong to eastern Europeans that were enslaved by the Vikings.

Jews were enslaved by the ancient Egyptians and also by the Nazis.

Just to broaden your perspective a bit...



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by nh_ee


Not all Slaves were Black ...

The term Slave is derived from Slav, who categorically belong to eastern Europeans that were enslaved by the Vikings.

Jews were enslaved by the ancient Egyptians and also by the Nazis.

Just to broaden your perspective a bit...


thats true, in fact at the early period of American history a vast majority of the slaves were actually European in origin, often times simply orphans "kidnapped" off the streets of London and shipped over as "indentured servants"

however these indentured servants often times were treated EXACTLY like slaves and many of them NEVER gained any semblance of freedom or decency

Around the American Revolution, these white slaves had begun freeing themselves and around this time slaves from Africa became far more common throughout several areas

When the first White House was built, there were many African slaves who toiled on it

But there were also WHITE slaves as well, who had to labor ALONGSIDE the Black slaves...

Its all quite interesting what really happened...there were White slaves in America quite recently
However they usually go by the name "indentured servant" although often times there is little difference



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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Black man makes racist comment, its white folk's fault.

White man makes racist comment, its white folk's fault.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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That is the funniest song I have ever heard in my life. Now I have a new way to describe taking care of my business.
This had to be written by Dave Chapelle.

New day new day....then I whip it like Kunta-kin-tee...

I wonder if when they are done it calls itself Toby


I take a brick... Karate chop it like a Sensai.


These guys must be hurting a bit after they are done.


Thanks for the laughs. I am going to download that song ASAP and blast it from my car everywhere I go for the next month.

And for those of you lacking a sense of humor the song wasnt about beating a woman.. it was about whipping something else like a slave.



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