Venezuela Chavez says "Comrade" Obama more left-wing

reply to post by Kevin_X1



Whatever you read, and whatever your Socialist/Liberal professors taught you about Communism are the "opinions" based on lies. What I know about Communism is "experience", not opinion by what some Socialist/Liberal professor wants to claim. I also attended college on the U.S. and had to argue with similar Socialist/Liberal professors who would claim Socialism/Communism is the best economic, and political system in the world without knowing one iota of real knowledge, or experience about it.


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It always amazes me how the liberals in this country love Castro and love Chavez. They practically deify the murderer Che.

These same liberals couldn't last a day in Cuba or Venezuela.

There would be no C-Span or Above Top Secret. There would be no hopes and dreams unless you risk your life to leave the country or your aspirations are in line with the State's.

What Obama and the liberals don't understand it's self interest that drives the individual. They want to force you into the collective that's dictated by their values or should I say lack thereof.

It's self interest that led two boys to build a computer in their garage which became Apple.

It's self interest that lead men and women to build businesses that expanded the economy, employed people and they donated to charities and non profits.

Obama and the liberals want to strip you of self interest while he and others live the good life and force you into their liberal image of the collective.

It reminds me of a verse in the Bible:

In the name of peace, he shall destroy many.

reply to post by Alxandro


I wonder how funny they will find it when our greedy consumerism (as well as generosity) is gone and there's nobody to buy their products and give them money and show up every time there's a medical or humanitarian disaster in the world. That is bound to stop too when those volunteers and volunteer agencies go broke. the slapping around part might not last all that long before they go back to hating us for bowing out.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


as i said, its all about the leader. yes, up to this point communist dictators have been @ssholes, but there is hope for communism just like every other nation. oh, and the literature that was shoved down my throught in school was all-american and was chalked full of experience.

reply to post by Kevin_X1


It would be a grand experiment for you to emigrate to cuba, become a citizen and enter their work force, use their health care, etc. you could do your dissertation about it. it would be very interesting. I'm not sure what their university situation is but no doubt better than ours because of that communist element. Is castro one of those dictators you admire (though he is not enitirely successful)? but it wouldn't work if you went as a visit american or citizen of another country, or to go as a filmmaker with lots of money to spread around like michael moore. to get the real experience, you'd need to become a cuban citizen.

US students who attend public schools are given a left leaning education from first grade on because of the strong teachers unions dominate their (teachers') thinking. i can't tell you how many teachers truly believe they would make more money "in the private sector". this strong liberal bias lasts all the way through college and even graduate school. I think that's why you have been educated to believe what you do, even though you sincerely believe you are thinking for yourself.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Really?... tell that to the millions of people under the boot of similar Communists/Socialists dictatorships...

You want to talk about the real murdering of innocent people? How about the over 110 million people murdered by left-wing dictators? and that's without counting the deaths in battle of soldiers...

Where the heck did people like you get your education?....

Oh, and BTW, in case people forget, or still believe the old lie that hitler was a right winger....Hitler was actually a Socialist, and we have now in the U.S. similar programs being implemented as those that existed during NAZI Germany, and in Communist dictatorships...but the left are too brainwashed to wake up even in the face of facts.
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Not all left wingers believe in socialism or communism, again like not all right wingers are fascist. I happen to be left wing and denounce all three.

You're comments sound like a brain washed right winger.

(See how tiresome your arguement has become?)

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Isn't Czar a russian / communist term ????

Shouldn't that be a Red one star-cresent flag for everyone ?

No czars have nothing to do with communism. They were overthrown in favor of the communists.



Anyway, I can assure you all the Obama is most certainly NOT a communist/socialist. Being a communist myself, I should know.

Originally posted by dominika

Anyway, I can assure you all the Obama is most certainly NOT a communist/socialist. Being a communist myself, I should know.

how does his agenda differ from the one you hope for? I thought I read that many communist groups are losing members because so many of their objectives have been attained. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

Originally posted by earlywatcher

how does his agenda differ from the one you hope for? I thought I read that many communist groups are losing members because so many of their objectives have been attained. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

One part of Obama’s economic plan was to tax the rich so he could give money to the poor. Now while the concept may seem socialist, the method isn’t. A socialist would never use taxation as a means to redistribute the wealth.

Now let’s look at his takeover of GM. This nationalization could be seen as a socialist act. Granted, this is something that would probably happen at the startup of a new socialist society. This nationalization, however, will only be short term as opposed to the permanent control we would see in socialism.

It's late so I'm off to bed. If I was too vague or you want to know something specific just let me know.

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i doubt if the GM takeover is all that temporary. after all, the gov took over amtrak in, i believe, 1971, and it's still controlled by the government. most people think this government will pump at lease a couple of billion a year to keep GM going. they refer to it as a government jobs program rather than a car company. sounds pretty socialist to me. also it tilts the field unfairly when it comes to ford who is still privately run. GM will have tax advantages etc.

i must admit that all these terms blend together for me. would amtrak be considered a socialist type of thing after 38 or 39 years?

I know there have been other takeovers in this country that were shortlived, but i don't think GM will be one of those.

Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by Alxandro

 

it was a bit sad when the chinese laughed LOUDLY at timmy geithner's assurances that their money is safe.

Why?



I see stupid people laugh everyday at things they don't understand, or things they wish to cast scorn on. That doesn't mean this is why they were laughing, however it does presuppose that if you believe the laughing was sad that you produce a reason as to why, as the mere presence of laughter does not indicate an unbiased accurate understanding or even a rational mind in the individuals laughing.

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reply to post by HunkaHunka


Whoa, careful dude.
Some will take your statement and accuse you of calling the Chinese "stupid people" that "don't understand" what's going on.

Believe me, the Chinese know exactly what Timmy was saying and they laughed because they know full well Timmy does not know what the hell he is doing or saying.

Regardles of whether their money is safe or not, they laughed because they know they'll get paid one way or another.
The Chinese just bought the Hummer which means they just got one foot in the door of the US auto industry.

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Whoa, careful dude.
Some will take your statement and accuse you of calling the Chinese "stupid people" that "don't understand" what's going on.

Why not, in the rest of your post you accuse "timmy" of being stupid and not understanding what's going on.

What makes his stance more stupid than that of the Chinese?

What part of the fact that Chavez was joking don't people understand ?
I am no fan of Chavez by any means but he has more of a sense of humor then a lot of people on this thread . Otherwise the usual BS about Hitler being a Socialist has once again appeared . Ignorance on the march at its finest .

Cheers xpert11 .

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Well if you really had experienced what communism was like in the USSR you sure wouldn't even think about comparing it to Obama's policies. It really doesn't make any sense to say that Obama is a communist and Chavez is just making a bad joke. I live in France, we are far more leftist than the US and yet we are still very far from communism.

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reply to post by earlywatcher


I see what you mean. We will just have to adopt a wait and see attitude with this whole GM thing. The government may not give up control but then again they might.

Originally posted by Kevin_X1
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

as i said, its all about the leader. yes, up to this point communist dictators have been @ssholes, but there is hope for communism just like every other nation. oh, and the literature that was shoved down my throught in school was all-american and was chalked full of experience.

You're killing me! It is apparent that you haven't a clue what you're talking about. The "education" that you are referring to is called propaganda, desensitization and programming - obviously it was effective with you! The Socialists have taken over education for the sole purpose of brainwashing you and preparing you to submit to the collective.

You admit that there has never been a successful dictatorship yet you want Capitalism, the most successful economic engine in the history of mankind, destroyed for the sake of Communism??? Damn, our children are more lost than I ever could have imagined. No wonder this country is falling into the crapper... people like you make ridiculously contradicting statements and fail to grasp the lack of logic and reason in what they're saying.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
But surely having a left wing President is better than a right wing President eh?

The world is surely a safer place than having a fascist nutter like Bush in charge. At least Obama is attempting dialogue with his so called enemies, as opposed to killing innocent people.

you show a complete misunderstanding of the terms "fascist" and "right wing"

Originally posted by Kevin_X1

as i said, its all about the leader. yes, up to this point communist dictators have been @ssholes, but there is hope for communism just like every other nation. oh, and the literature that was shoved down my throught in school was all-american and was chalked full of experience.

Hope for Communism?.... Please..... People like you don't seem to understand that even on paper Communism seeks the destruction of the individual just to be part of a collective "for the good of the revolution"....

Under Communism individualism is suppressed, as well as any form of spiritualism, or religion that is not based on materialism.

And all this experience that you talk about, does it comes from Communists who were/are working for the regime who work against their own people just so they can have better homes, and they can have some food in their plates?... or perhaps they are the spies which every Communist dictatorship has in every neighborhood, and who tell the Communist dictatorship when there are secret meetings that could be "counter-revolutionary"...

Of course these sort of people would misss Communism, more so when in a normal society these sort of people would not have any kind of power over other people...

Communists like Chavez are claiming to be religious because most South Americans are very religious, hence he is using religion so that more poor people accept Communism.

BTW, Chavez has finally admitted to be a Communist, and perhaps some members would remember several years ago in these same forums a couple other members and myself were stating that Chavez is a Communist, despite all of the members from the left claiming he was not, and we were stating that Chavez was following the footsteps of Castro, and turning Venezuela into a Communist dictatorship.

Are those members finally understanding that they should trust people such as myself that we are telling the truth when we say certain people are Communists despite them claiming they are not?



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reply to post by HunkaHunka


I think the chinese know we are in deep trouble, and they know timmy knows it, and they know timmy thinks he is fooling them when he tells them their money is safe. they also know they will get it out of us one way of the other though timmy believes he has them bamboozled. they are laughing at us. they think we are fools. it is sad to me that where once we were respected, admired by some and hated by others, but respected, and now we are laughed at as we are shoved down this slippery slope by the fools governing us, that we elected and appointments we tolerate.

that, to me, is sad.