great post. I wish more people would as vigilnet as you.

I think this testing might be the breakthrough that is needed to bring about a new investigation into 911 and perhaps bring those responsible to justis

Thanks

This whole thread has been a joy to read. Some folks just can't let their ego deflate enough to admit they're wrong. The backpedaling and flat-out deflection going on by the OS believers is astonishing to behold. I often wonder why the 9/11 conspiracy is so hard for some folks to believe? Or to even comprehend? Are people so brainwashed, that they refuse to consider that their government could either knowingly allow this act to occur, or, that they would set this thing off themselves? Is it honestly that difficult to see what the government of America has gained through the advent of 9/11? Is it that difficult to see the forest through the trees? At some point, you just have to allow it to sink in, that there is something seriously wrong here. Even if it isn't exactly as some truthers say, isn't it enough to get you thinking? To sit back and say: "Wow, you know, there could be something in all this..." As opposed to: "Wow, you know, you are all so full of it." If even the smallest bit of evidence (or lack thereof!) doesn't jibe with the OS, then that alone, should be enough to get the free-thinker to say: "Huh.... I wonder what happened there..."

Chrono

Originally posted by sy.gunson
Thermite requires Sulpher and Aluminium to be present.

Guess what ?

United Airlines flight 175 had 4.5 tonnes of sulphur in it's fuel and 160 tonnes of aluminum.

Fancy that. All the ingredients needed for a thermite fire. Ah well there goes another conspiracy theory.

What a pity for all those people who wasted years of their life trying to prove a conspiracy.





[edit on 4-6-2009 by sy.gunson]

Are you suggesting that the fuel burnt - then released its sulphur as perfectly separated nanoparticles of sulphur, that the planes aluminium structure also exploded into perfectly pure nanoparticles of aluminium powder and these two "clouds" of pure elements then recombined to form thermite which was AGAIN ignited to produce a thermite reaction and this is the REAL reason for the presence of thermite..............

By Golly - thats sure cleared it up for me.....

Originally posted by audasAre you suggesting that the fuel burnt - then released its sulphur as perfectly separated nanoparticles of sulphur, that the planes aluminium structure also exploded into perfectly pure nanoparticles of aluminium powder and these two "clouds" of pure elements then recombined to form thermite which was AGAIN ignited to produce a thermite reaction and this is the REAL reason for the presence of thermite..............

By Golly - thats sure cleared it up for me.....

That was a good laugh! never thought of it that way; an energetic
substance turning inert and then reviving itself to reform in an energetic
state within a nano-sized chip.

It could happen...on 9/11/01 , and only then...

Originally posted by Chronogoblin
This whole thread has been a joy to read. Some folks just can't let their ego deflate enough to admit they're wrong. The backpedaling and flat-out deflection going on by the OS believers is astonishing to behold. I often wonder why the 9/11 conspiracy is so hard for some folks to believe? Or to even comprehend? Are people so brainwashed, that they refuse to consider that their government could either knowingly allow this act to occur, or, that they would set this thing off themselves? Is it honestly that difficult to see what the government of America has gained through the advent of 9/11? Is it that difficult to see the forest through the trees? At some point, you just have to allow it to sink in, that there is something seriously wrong here. Even if it isn't exactly as some truthers say, isn't it enough to get you thinking? To sit back and say: "Wow, you know, there could be something in all this..." As opposed to: "Wow, you know, you are all so full of it." If even the smallest bit of evidence (or lack thereof!) doesn't jibe with the OS, then that alone, should be enough to get the free-thinker to say: "Huh.... I wonder what happened there..."

Chrono

People still believe that everything on earth was made by an omnipotent super creature, who controls all of our lives and destinies...........whats harder to believe

a) 4 seperate terrorist cells involving well over a dozen terrorists who were known and being watched by the CIA AND the NSA, who were KNOWN to be plotting activities inside America who were KNOWN as being funded by Saudi extremists via Pakistan militants - managed to sneak through US airport security and enter US society where they took up flight training whilest still in communication with their handlers which was recorded and monitored but NOTHING WAS DONE BECAUSE NO ONE KNEW, they then went on to co-ordinate the most massive, sophisticated foreign attack of the US in history - avoiding infinitely greater amounts and infinitely more sophisticated systems than the attack on Pearl Harbour and Killing more people ALL of which was planned and co-ordinated from literally caves in Afghanistan by an almost MYTHICAL individual ---

Or

b) A small group of powerful individuals who have been controlling the CIA for well over 30 years, who also have career long links to Saudi extremists, who also have control over the entire security internally and externally of the US staged a red flag event similar to that which initiated the First World War, Vietnam War, Second World War (there is clear evidence of a warning to America of the approaching Japanese Fleet as Australia was attacked by them and sent warning - now a matter of public record), Invasion of Cuba, Panama, Veneuzeala, Iran Contra, etc,etc - in fact the MOST COMMON ELEMENT IS A RED FLAG OPERATION - it is the one consitent theme......


UMMMMMMMM------ the one which is so full of wholes you can strain tea with it ? Or the one which represents the clear, consistent pattern of US military engagement and red flag operations.

Originally posted by undermindHis experiments can't be reproduced.

Merely referring to results in the paper as evidence that the results in the paper are adequate evidence of the results in the paper is a gross fault, both from the point of view of epistemology and laboratory protocol.

You should read that site once again, and understand Dr. Jones' reply.

What's the point of producing a paint sample when he is providing
a known control sample of thermite?

He stated the paint sample tested ignited at a lower temperature and
did not exhibit the same characteristics as the chips found in the dust.

So why go after paint, when thermite is the more likely substance?
You see that he is asking Nilsen to address this very fact.

Would you like to waste time and resources testing paint when you
know damn well it can't produce the energy shown in the graph?

It's akin to inspecting a knife as a kill weapon when there are bullet
wounds to the body.

But don't take my word for it, e-mail Jones and find out for yourself...
or wait patiently to see in Nilsen will address Jones and realize the
error she made.

From the point of view of laboratory protocol, it wouldn't matter whether he was trying to prove that a sample of paint was thermite, or a sample of thermite was thermite, or a sample of paint was paint.

To simply say that a substance is one thing, and proceed to carry out only those experiments which suggest that it is that one thing, is straight-forwards painting.

The experiments must be able to be replicated.

His cannot be.

Regardless of how appealing his conclusions, anyone with training in the applied sciences will dismiss them - as Prof. Nilson does - on the basis that the experiments cannot be reproduced by others because there are no blank samples.

***Reply to post by Undermind***

You've been challenged to contact Dr. Jones and debate him. Why do you continue to avoid this?

Why do you continue to debate with us on the board?

For the third and hopefully last time, quit trying to muddy the thread up with your opinions. Take them to Dr. Jones as you have been challenged to do, and if you refuse to do that, then do us all a favor and go away. We can all debate this until we turn 80, but what good will it do?

Quit evading the challenge. Email Dr. Jones with your concerns. I'm sure he'll be MORE than happy to give you some education.

Also, are you GL's put in some type of Queue? I notice that there is a pattern in every single thread. Some breaking news is posted, and disinfo central immediately dispatches 2 or 3 agents to attempt to debunk the thread. In this case, it was initially mmichael and genradak. Once those initial guys are shut down, they disappear, and 1 or 2 more take their place, and the circus goes on and on. It's as if there is an order in which you all come into a thread. A few at a time, you each make a few unsubstantiated, babbling posts based on your opinion, then you go away and are replaced by a few more, who come in and make more or less the exact same posts, but word them different.

You disinfo types can split hairs all day if you want. You can change your screen names all you want. You can adjust your "argument" a little here, little there, all you want.

We have ONE response to you. Go debate Dr. Jones.

In case you accidently didnt read my last sentence, here it is again.

Go debate Dr. Jones.

Don't evade it. Don't come back and respond with your opinion. Don't respond and ask me or anyone else any more redundant questions. Dont respond and tell me what you think. Don't log off this account and log onto another account and respond to me to continue your circus of questioning.

The purpose of this thread was to inform people of more of Dr. Jones' findings. If you have a problem with the information contained therein, take it to the source.

Every person who has read through this thread knows what your concerns are. We all know what questions you have. Most of us, however, are not qualified to give you the answer. Even if we were, you wouldnt accept it. Once you read the last sentence of my post, please do something for me. Go tell all your friends who have posted here already, and all the friends who are waiting for their queue to come up so they can come in here as well, this:

Go debate Dr. Jones.

[edit on 4/6/2009 by P1DrummerBoy]

[edit on 4/6/2009 by P1DrummerBoy]

Response received. All of the GL's can start thinking up new theories
because Dr. Jones is going to make fools out of those who made up those
dumb excuses.


So here is the reply, and my thoughts are confirmed in the first line:

Steven Jones:
The observation of iron-rich spheres after ignition in the DSC demonstrates the thermitic reaction as we explain in the paper.

However, I agree that an experiment performed without oxygen would be informative. My interest actually is to encase a red/gray chip so that air is excluded AND to capture the gas that is generated when the chip is heated -- and then to observe the total heat production. I expect this will be much like gunpowder when it is confined -- has a more readily observable explosion.

So after this redundant test result is issued, what will be the excuse of the week?

P.S. Go Debate Dr. Jones

Hehe im not really sience savy or anything, so can anyone explain to me why the "no-air" testing is so important?
I mean, there was air in the towers right, so whats the point in seeing how the dust reacts in an air free environment? when that was not the case on 911?

keep it simple please

Great thread and good job by the way Turbofan

This issue isn't really on my beat, and I admit I don't have time to get too deep into it. I've read the OP here but that's it. I appreciate the job ya'll are doing though, I know you guys catch a lot of heat for it, and I poke my head in from time to time to take a peak at the progress being made.

I would though appreciate if someone could answer this...

Is it possible that the thermite was used in rescue and clean up operations? I know what thermite is and off the top of my head, it seems like it'd be pretty handy stuff for cutting through big debris chunks.