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The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots

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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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As many already know, I am no Obama fan. Indeed, I am soundly the opposite.

Yet in this case, I fail to understand what new information this article reveals?

Could someone point it out, because I'm totally missing it?

In the absence of anything material, using THIS ARTICLE as the basis of support for how Obama is such a liar seems nuts to me.


Trust me, this doesn't help the cause. It just makes legitimate suspicion and distrust appear wacky and fanatical.


[edit on 3-6-2009 by loam]




posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Its part of a disinformation and deflection campaign. Create distrust, throw in misinformation, and divide the people against each other to distort the real issues.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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The lies, cover-ups and out right scandels are all just designed to make you take your eye off the real deal. Get over all this bullcrap and start blogging real issues.....This country we all love is dying people, if not all ready DOA.....The fight is drawing near and you have to decide if your willing to fight and possably die to breath life back into this nation.

I truely hope there are as many patriots here as claimed, we are gonna need ya!


P.S. I really like your last comments...but it's so hard to take you serious while playing Capt. Kirk with you treky friends
.....



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
You are missing the whole point,

He lied, he is a liar.


Lied about what? Religion is a choice, he said his christian, it didnt matter whether he turned around tomorrow and said he was a hindu, we have freedom of religion here. If you think his a "liar because he went to muslim countries so that must make him a muslim" thats your own personal issue.


First we were racist to shut us up.


Not racist, religious. The way you folks have been going on about islam in general posting fear mongering threads, this goes little beyond the mindset of the religious fringe.

Get off it, in this country your free to follow what religion you want. You have no standing dictating anything.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Ah, Obama is such a chameleon. You can't just tell what he really is. Some people thinks he's a muslim, some thinks he's a liberal, others think he's a communist. Have you ever heard a liberal communist muslim?
Obama is indeed very good.. at confusing people.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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Of course the situation does bear the question: Which do you think the Islamic extremists will find more offensive a Christian President or a President that having grown up learning the teachings of Muhammad ends up rejecting them for Christianity?



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation


You are racist if you think being Muslim is a bad thing. Duh.

AAC

[edit on 3-6-2009 by AnAbsoluteCreation]


No, you - along with everyone else playing the race card here are wrong.

Religion is not a race. Religions encompass many races.

Understand and learn the meanings of the words you use.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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I saw this story when it broke on Drudge, but refrained from using it or commenting until now.

It reminds me of when I first joined ATS last year.

Obama had revealed his disdain for U.S. troops, following his callous use of their mementos during his campaign. I had just finished the second of his books and was disgusted by the public face he presented in contrast to the revelations in the 2 books.

So, one of my first threads had to do with the F.O.B.s, "Friends of Barack."

The incident with Stephanopoulos and the host's correction of Obama's "gaffe"/slip was the impetus for me to offer my $0.02.

In part, here's what I said last year:


Finally, if there is any doubt about Barack’s true ideals, read one or both of his books. In the first, he explains how his community organization efforts didn’t really meet any success until he began preaching that all blacks’ problems were the result of white Americans. Or of how he would party with a white friend, only to be thinking to himself as they drove around how much he wanted “to punch him out.”

Of course, you’ll also find his fond reminiscences of his “Muslim Heritage,” even to this day, as when he described himself to George Stephanopolous during his TV interview as a Muslim (until George called him on it and he ‘corrected’ himself).

Barack has revealed his true anti-white, pro-radical, socialist agenda in unguarded moments and in his own written words. Read them and see the truth behind the rhetoric.

Obama is no friend of ours, of our soldiers, and no friend of America.


Sorry to come late to the party, but I just felt the compulsion to remind everyone, if they have any doubts, to read Obama's two books. Carefully.

Study his politics, including his ties to ACORN as far back as 1995 (with William Ayers), and his early "organizing" efforts.

The true Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Soetero has been self-revealed. You just need to ignore the sheep and sycophants.

Deny ignorance.

jw

[edit on 3-6-2009 by jdub297]



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 11:48 PM
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He just said it himself!!!!!
Even if you don't care about his religion HE"S A PROVEN LIAR!!!

You should be very concerned if the prez is Muslim! Would you have a Christian prez in Iran, Saudi Arabia ect...

You are letting this liar sell you all down the river.
I wish you all luck.

Where is super man when you need him?



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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Fear is selling this country down the river.

They propitiate fear and ignorance in this culture, they brainwash the masses into feeding from two sides of the same trough.

They are blinding you to the real issues, this isn't one of them. This is propaganda. Please see it for what it is and think for yourselves.

If religion is an issue with a politician this country as a whole has failed.

That is what our founding fathers fought against. They fought against oppression they fought against tyranny, they fought against the very same things we today see. The exception is that today we are distracted by the media who tell us what to believe.

Every President has had a religious leaning, This leaning tells them what they should do is right or wrong. Does it matter what religion it is that the president abides by? After all the dogma of all these religions are primarily the same.

And for the poster that propagated that Obama would incite Shara Law? Oh my god how ignorant is that? Obama signs laws, he does not make them.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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to people saying so what if he is a muslim, lets hold hands and sing together. How can you not see the potential danger in that. A man in a position of power such as this with sympathetic leanings could strip away our protection and embolden our enemies. After all it is Muslims that seem to of declared war on the world, I don't know why it's followers become so radical, but they do, not all, but enough do that they are a threat to the well being of this world. Not saying BO has nefarious intentions, but damnit, what if he did, we shouldn't be so stupid to put our self in a situation like this.

If he does have faith in Islam, even if he shares faith in both christianity and islam then he should of been up front about it and won or lost with that in mind. There is no excuse for decieving people. But we are still assuming at this point, we have a right to see his college records, that is when people are most true to themselves, we would be able to tell just who this man is, I hate that we still don't even know who are president is. It infuriates me!


But even if he calls himself Christian, he does not have a Christian name and under Sharia law anyone born to a Muslim father is a Muslim, no if's and's or but's about that, so to a Muslim he is a Muslim. So whether or not he considers himself Muslim and/or Christian, we most definately have a Muslim/Christian president. Add that to the fact that their are so many kept secrets about him and we have our self's uncertainty and legitimate reason to worry.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 02:40 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by centurion1211
Understand and learn the meanings of the words you use.


I believe the correct term is bigot



bigot
Noun
a person who is intolerant, esp. regarding religion, politics, or race [Old French]
bigoted adj
bigotry n


The Free Dictionary - Bigot


So, now we have the terminology correct - because what we are seeing in the article and - to some extent - in this thread, with regard to all things muslim, does it make it any better?

And considering its his father that was a muslim, and not Obama, I'm still at a loss as to what the fuss is about with regard to the piece highlighted in the OP. It doesn't suggest anything else.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by InsaneInTheOlMembrain
If i were you Americans, i wouldn't care about my leaders religion, orientation, or even the groups they are in (that goes for you anti-freemasons too), It seems very oppressive that maybe some of these presidents do hide certain facts about them selves so they aren't frowned upon by the voters. Don't be so intolerant.


I totally agree with you.
TOTALLY.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by Miraj
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That's how I feel. Lots of people are looking to prove that Obama is a musllim.. But if he's a muslim, I don't care. I understand why someone would hide that fact, since there's obviously a trend towards assuming Islam is bad, and that Muslims are just blood thirsty freedom haters.


THAT... RIGHT THERE... Is what gets me going! How can you simply NOT CARE that he lied? Do you like it when people look you in the eye, and lie to your face? Hell Clinton lied and he almost got his ass impeached. But Barry lies, and it's all good? Where's the outrage? Where's the righteous indignation? Where are the patriotic, upstanding Americans saying: "How dare you Sir!" I said way back during the debates that my issue with Obama was not because he was black, it was because he was shady! ALL politicians LIE. Of course. But to do so, so blatantly, and to have you folks go: "Well that's ok, no biggie." That's... just disgusting. I'm just... at a loss.

Chrono



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:13 AM
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Welcome to America, Land of the Free and home of the Brave.




They came here for several centuries for the same reasons – freedom and hope -- and then a Frenchman created a statue that embodied their
hopes and dreams. And it embodied America's promise as well. "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..." THE STATUE OF LIBERTY


Hm, I don't see where it say's, If your Muslim, Buddhist, Judaism, Shinto, etc you cannot step foot here. How intolerant some of you are. Lets dig a bit into your backgrounds and see if you come from 100% christian backgrounds.

Lets take just one Non-Christian religion and see how many have served in our White House, in our American Government under the Bush administration, Lets Take the Jewish for instance:

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30 were in our high government in the White House., Including:

- Chief of Staff
- Press Secretary
- Speech Writer
- Attorney General
- Deputy secretary of Defense
- 7 Ambassadors
- and more

One of those people could very easily have run for President and won! How would you feel if a person of Judaic faith was running this country? Its certainly not Christianity. How would you feel then?


What is so hypocritical is a huge majority of ATS'ers flame one for saying anything about the bible truths, or Christian beliefs, but wow if it can be used as fodder against Obama, then hey were all Christians and will use that title to justify our hatred.

As far as a President telling lies.. well he is a politician it sort of goes along with the job, but Oh NO, obama must be above that.,

Lets see which past President had more lies:

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From this Article at Washington Monthly,

#1 - G.W.Bush - The Trifecta, Cutting AmeriCorps, Going to War, What WMDs?
#2 - Ronald Reagan - Killer Trees, Arms for Hostages, "Chicago welfare queen"
#3- G.W.H.Bush - Read My Lips, Iran Contra
#4 - Bill Clinton - Draft-Dodging, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman

Those are just a few from one site, but you get the idea.

So all you Non tolerant Christians who feel superior because you believe in the REAL Christian GOD, and only a christian can be in the White House and run our country, and Oh My Gosh HE LIED .. please refer to your bibles ...




John 8:7 However, when they persisted with their question, He raised Himself up and said, Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by sheila947

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Hm, I don't see where it say's, If your Muslim, Buddhist, Judaism, Shinto, etc you cannot step foot here. How intolerant some of you are. Lets dig a bit into your backgrounds and see if you come from 100% christian backgrounds.

Lets take just one Non-Christian religion and see how many have served in our White House, in our American Government under the Bush administration, Lets Take the Jewish for instance:

source

30 were in our high government in the White House., Including:

- Chief of Staff
- Press Secretary
- Speech Writer
- Attorney General
- Deputy secretary of Defense
- 7 Ambassadors
- and more

One of those people could very easily have run for President and won! How would you feel if a person of Judaic faith was running this country? Its certainly not Christianity. How would you feel then?


What is so hypocritical is a huge majority of ATS'ers flame one for saying anything about the bible truths, or Christian beliefs, but wow if it can be used as fodder against Obama, then hey were all Christians and will use that title to justify our hatred.

As far as a President telling lies.. well he is a politician it sort of goes along with the job, but Oh NO, obama must be above that.,


Yes, they all have lied. However, it looks like Obama might be the biggest deceiver of all. These allegations against him are pretty damning when you look at the consequences that would arise if they turned out true.

Does the name Barry Soetoro mean anything to anyone here? Strangely, when you wiki the name it redirects to the current President of the USA.
These are strange times indeed...


[edit on 4/6/2009 by Dark Ghost]



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by andrewh7
Also, to repeat, he's a practicing Christian. He's not Muslim.

Also, to repeat, (for the third time?) Black Liberation Theology is NOT Christian. They claim it is. But it isn't.

Black Liberation theology


Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.


Obama's Church not your average Christian Church



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by sheila947
As far as a President telling lies.. well he is a politician it sort of goes along with the job, but Oh NO, obama must be above that.,

That's a piss poor reason to let Obama get away with telling lies ... because he's popular and he's a politician so it should be expected.

Next time a popular non-democrat comes along, wonder if you all will let him or her get away with lies simply because 'it's to be expected'? Somehow, I highly doubt it.


Newsflash - he ran on 'change, hope, unity, transparency'. He ran on - 'i'm not like everyone else'. He lied. Exposing lies isn't being 'intolerant' of his religion or his skin color .. it's just being intolerant of lies.



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