reply to post by SeeingBlue
reply to post by SeeingBlue
I know what you speak of. I think the sleep process is very misunderstood. I see it as a deep trance.
You see people think of it as blacking out and waking up refreshed after they hallucinate (dream) all night. These people are unaware of the deeper
states achievable through meditation.
I've had nights where I did as you did and it felt like I lingered between sleep and being awake for the whole 8 duration.. I felt kind of worn out
in the morning.. I'd say it was a zen state, deep absorbtion where you know your not sleeping but you're not awake and perceiving anything either..
its like being aware of your non-perception. Its just a pulse of consciousness. Seems like it would be the state you would reach if you thought once
you died you entered total blackness..
other times i will relax like that as you say and wake up 45 minutes later.. and I'll wonder if I fell asleep at all. This one week that happened
every night and I got no sleep that week except for a few hours put together over various nights, yet I was not tired. It was like something wanted to
keep me here.
Its just my guess from experience but what I think you are doing is being too aware..its like you know when you leave a deep trance and then you can
no longer enter the deep trance for the rest of the day? I get that anyway. It seems to me like those deep trance meditations happen as a result of
them being rushed. You are so restful and the slightest focus on your 3rd eye just takes you into a deep mode... yet.. I won't be able to do that if
i spend half an hour feeling my body and such..if i hold off on the 3rd eye/crown awareness I won't get pulled in.
So i think you're not actually sleeping at all, just meditating. Whereas the sleep is like the meditation you are unaware of. Sleep is like
meditation.. a very deep one, so it should offer clues that astral projection can be achieved through meditation. You gain awareness of the process
of falling asleep and you begin to see no difference between that and meditation.
It just seems to be a lack of awareness and total restfulness that makes sleep what it is.. its like jumping right into a deep deep trance.
Only you'll notice the difference because you'll wonder if you fell asleep but when you wake up you have so much clarity, so much focus. Whereas
sleep seems to be a bit more disorienting. Its like meditating for 8 hours and letting your consciousness become more detached from this state and
effectively really firing up the 3rd eye and so when you wake up i think we feel that disorientation because its re-integrating your consciousness
into a whole new dream, a whole new reality. We just spent the night doing other things in dreams and we have to adjust to this life and energy
Its just my thinking behind it. I think if I can master astral projection then I can use it as a form of remote viewing. We put all these labels on
everything and I think it really clouds it. Basically.. when we close our eyes... things fade, and we enter a new world....now what can we do with
The astral projection seems to come naturally in the morning because of the brain chemicals (connectors) and your complete restfulness (detachment)..
I think when you are actually putting your attention on your body and relaxing it what you're actually doing is grounding it, and its something I
only just thought of... because you are becoming aware of your body, you are essentially putting more energy there, when really you want to move the
energy away, right? It's like when we have thoughts "i need/want to sleep".. and we fail...whereas when we dont want to sleep but we can't help
it because we have a strong urge to just LET GO.. that's when we sleep.
I have astral projected at NIGHT from meditation ONCE. But it could have something to do with the fact that I was already meditating for like 6 hours.
It was overall an 8 hour day, pretty intense and just what I needed at the time.
Check out those lucidology101 videos on youtube, I think that guy gives some good reasons for everything, including the day/night thing.
It seems to be that you waking up with this vague dream memory is because your consciousness isn't where it needs to be to put it simply. Its much
more conducive after a night of sleep because the dream recall is so good, we are more present in them. Its like you are meditating just fine and
holding on but the focus isn't where it needs to be to hold on. I bet you'll be able to meditate yourself into one in the future but it will
probably just take some discipline. After the last few astral projections it just seems to be a matter of letting go.. the root chakra is the key yet
its interesting because it is your doorway to relaxation.. it is what ROOTS your consciousness to your body because it keeps you "awake".. yet
focusing on it puts energy there, puts your consciousness there. I can't say I really understand it just yet so i'm not going to pretend to. Its
like it has lots to do with the root energy and yet nothing. Understand the nature of relaxation and I think you'll get clues to what it takes to
move your consciousness around. The consciousness was always free... relaxation doesn't need to be trained, just the factors that keep us from
being relaxed... so its sort of an UNtraining. If we could just LET GO.. we could put our consciousness anywhere I think. My teacher could explain it
well, about the root chakra and yin energy and stuff. Too bad he's not here. But there seems to be some huge importance to developing your ability to
Something like that saying.. you need firm footing to climb the ladder to "heaven" or something like that. That was like a quote on kundalini. I
think basically implying the importance of the root and the more you relax.. the more your resisting against your own awareness... its like Qi gong..
stop moving your arms and you begin to easily feel the energy. Learn to relax more and more and there will be more energy to be aware of, to direct
as you will. And astral projection I think its literally a Chi projection. You create a vessel, and they are fragile to resistance. I think my teacher
was implying this also a similar nature to teleportation itself... because your body is of this density.. you may as well leave it here if it were
even capable of leaving.. and yet it is also of the mind... so if you were to only put your consciousness somewhere else, it seems you would have a
vessel to house it. That is to say teleportation like this is a localized event of which you are the only witness but none the less real and useful.
Its just moving to another dream, where i'd see the outside observers as thinking you never left.. but just swapped places with another version of
yourself that is suitable.
I think diet would play a role in terms of strengthening your belief that it would. I decided i would try and consume energy based on colour. I
thought I could astral project that night if I had something purple to drink, and I did, and I did project but I think its just because I had the
necessary mental belief.
My friend talked to me about this show with this african shaman who could manifest things easily.. and he did this by carrying random stones in his
pocket.. he said "because I believe they will help me, they do"... they are just stones, but their symbol helps him believe.
But also food plays factors in your energy's resistance. I think if you just have lots of energy than its not really much of an issue.
I don't eat that healthy really. I used to but decided I wasn't done lifting weights, and it was something I wanted to do. So I eat me.. right now
i'm drinking a disgusting coke of all things but I don't seem to mind. My teacher who is a Qi Gong master, admits he eats McDonalds like once a
week, says it doesn't really matter.. its just that you believe it does, and you don't have enough energy to resist it in the case that you don't
believe, like so many of us do.
Ok i'm done, and thanks for the kind words. But I stopped posting threads for my own reasons, figured it didn't matter.. I guess I realized it was
too complex and I could understand why some would not understand unless they took the baby steps first. I posted threads for those who were totally
unknown to this, not to those who I already had confidence in but I understand. And I'm not here to teach any skills but give some recite some
personal experience, I realized all that seems to matter to me is that one find a sense of reason, find their self. I feel there is too much stuff
being flung about and I try to avoid it... speaking of light and frequencies.. I speak of them on a conceptual level but I don't want to feel like
i'm propagating a science to which I have no real research. All I have are my concepts and observations. I don't want to be looked to as the how-to
guy but rather the guy who encourages and helps to point out the dangers someone may be trying to avoid, like getting your mind stuck in a loop
believing something because it came from a respected and wise source. Well I've decided to put all my threads into this one thread now:
you'll see what i'm talking about if you read the opening 2 part post, its alot of reading and probably boring. Its more for the accusers of our
collective "religious cult" insanity.