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North Korea - The Worst Terrorist State In History ?!

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posted on Feb, 8 2003 @ 09:22 AM
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The U.S. Department of State, in its report on international terrorism, April 30, 1997, listed 7 countries including Iran, Iraq, North Korea, among others, as countries supporting international terrorist activities. In fact, North Korea has been on this list since 1988.


North Korea has tried to beautify terrorism saying that it is a revolutionary activity contributing to the communization of South Korea and the destruction of the free world. Such a concept is stipulated in a North Korean publication, dated October 1975 and entitled, "The Theory of Revolution in Korea and the Fatherland's Reunification," and says "decisive victory can be attained only through violent means."

Since the Korean War came to a truce in 1953, North Korea committed a total of 420,000 terrorist activities against Korea. Typical examples of such activities include a raid on presidential residence in Seoul in January 1968, which killed 7 Koreans, an infiltration of commando troops into the Ulchin-Samchok area of Korea in October 1968, which killed 20 Koreans, a terrorist bombing of a Korean delegation in Myanmar in October 1983, which killed 17 Koreans, and the blowing up of a Korean civilian airliner over the Bay of Bengal in November 1987, which killed 115 people aboard the plane.

North Korea also provided terrorist organizations in foreign countries with material support or training: from 1969 to 1971, terrorists in Burundi and Rwanda tried to assassinate VIPs, but in vain, and they were later identified as members of dissident guerrilla troops trained and supported by North Korea. In 1982, Israel arrested about 80 terrorists in Lebanon, and among them 24 were identified as North Koreans.


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NORTH KOREAN SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES

North Korea is one of the world leaders in fielding Special Operations Forces (SOF). It is estimated that this force totals or exceeds 121,500 soldiers. They are organized into 22 light infantry type brigades and 7 independent light infantry battalions. They are charged with five basic missions: conducting reconnaissance, performing combat operations in conjunction with conventional operations, establishing a second front in South Korea�s rear areas, countering ROK/US special operations forces in north Korea�s rear area, and maintaining internal security.

STRATEGIC LEVEL OPERATIONS

Strategic level missions include the seizure and/or destruction of ROK/US strategic/theater command, control, communication, and intelligence (C3I), and NBC warfare assets. More specifically, the assassination or abduction of ROK/US political leaders, senior military commanders, and acts of terrorism. They may also conduct raids against US Air Force airfields in Japan and against military installations in Hawaii. Missions of a strategic level are controlled by the President of north Korea, Kim Chong-Il, the Central Peoples Committee, and other national level agencies.


NK SPECIAL FORCES LINK



RECENT NK INCURSIONS


South Korea captures North Korean sub - June 22, 1998

North Korea apologizes for submarine intrusion - December 29, 1996

5 killed in shoot-out between South Korean troops, infiltrators - November 5, 1996

Two more North Korean intruders killed in manhunt - September 21, 1996

South Korean forces trade fire with infiltrators - September 20, 1996

7 more North Koreans shot dead in South, Manhunt for others from submarine continues - September 19, 1998



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posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 08:45 AM
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One more example of North korean terrorist acts.


Five Japanese citizens who were abducted by North Korean spies at the height of the cold war returned to Japan yesterday to be reunited with relatives they have not seen for almost a quarter of a century.
The five, the only confirmed survivors among 13 Japanese nationals North Korea has admitted abducting in the 1970s and 80s, arrived at Haneda airport in Tokyo yesterday afternoon on a government-chartered plane. They will spend about two weeks in Japan before returning together to North Korea.


www.guardian.co.uk...



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 08:58 AM
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You know about the "Axe Murder" Incident in 1976? Some North Korean Army personnell attacked a group of American, South Korean as well as UN personnel, killing 2 US officers a S. Korean official and 3 other S. Korean Personnel, wounding 4 other US enlisted men. All because they were pruning a tree I believe.

Axe Murder Incident
Operation Paul Bunyan

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posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 09:06 AM
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Interesting.

Now, as a comparison, shall we compare North Korea's activities described with that of US Foreign Policy in various parts of the globe, the past sponsoring death squads and military juntas in Latin America, supporting tyrants present and past globally and what have you?

Shall we compare North Korea's kidnapping of Japanese citizens with that of the CIA's extraordinary renditions?

Or are we only talking about the things North Korea have done, and not mention US foreign Policy, to make out the North Koreans are the only ones are up to espionage and kidnapping and killing?

Because if you're going to look at the nasty things North Korea have done and thus call them a 'Terrorist State' because of it, means you are going to have to put the US under that label too.

Now you're going to say something along the lines of National Security and "holding off radicals" and "Latin America was our backyard" in defence of the dirty deeds of US foreign Policy.

But North Korea may say the same about their actions.

All I'm saying is, to label North Korea as terrorist for their actions is fine if you accept the US therefore has to be branded "terrorist" too for their foreign policy actions.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 09:23 AM
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Yep ludachris forgot to put that in.


On Wednesday 18 August 1976 at 1040 hours in the morning, a United Nations Command (UNC) work force of five Korean Service Corps (KSC) personnel accompanied by and UNC security force, including the Joint Security Force (JSF) Commander, Captain (P) Arthur G. Bonifas of Newburgh, New York, First Lieutenant Mark T. Barrett of Columbia, South Carolina, and one Republic of (South) Korean Army (ROKA) officer started to prune a large tree in the vicinity of UNC Check Point #3. This tree partially obscured the view between UNC Check Point #3 and UNC Check Point #5. In addition the un-pruned tree was also blocking the view of the "Bridge of No Return" from "Freedom House." Shortly after the KSC work force arrived at the tree and began to cut it back, (North) Korean People's Army (KPA) personnel appeared at the work site. For a short time, the KPA security force observed the pruning without apparent concern. Suddenly, the KPA security force commander demanded that the JSF commander cease pruning or there would be trouble. Captain Bonifas did not order the operation stopped. Senior Lieutenant Pak Chul of the KPA, seeing that he was losing control, took off his wristwatch, wrapped it in his handkerchief and put it in his pocket. Another North Korean rolled up his sleeves. Lieutenant Pak then shouted "MI KUN UL CHU KI GI CHA." Translated, it means, "Kill the U.S. Aggressors."; the UNC security force was attacked by a superior force of 30 KPA guards wielding pick handles, knives, clubs, and axes. Senior Lieutenant Pak jumped on Captain Bonifas from the back forcing him to the ground where Bonifas was beaten to death. 1LT Barrett was also attacked. The KPA soldiers used the mattox and axes the tree trimming detail was using prune the tree as weapons. The North Korean attack was broken up when a UNC soldier drove his 2 1/2 ton truck into the fight and over Captain Bonifas to protect him. The UNC Security Force then withdrew but not before two American Army Officers were murdered and, a ROKA officer, three Korean Augmentees to the US Army (KATUSA) and four US enlisted men were wounded

www.f-106deltadart.com...


Red Arrows show weapon whielding North Korean solders









The pictures below are from Operation Paul Bunyan where the US soldiers returned in force to cut down the tree.





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posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Regensturm
Interesting.

Now, as a comparison, shall we compare North Korea's activities described with that of US Foreign Policy in various parts of the globe, the past sponsoring death squads and military juntas in Latin America, supporting tyrants present and past globally and what have you?

Shall we compare North Korea's kidnapping of Japanese citizens with that of the CIA's extraordinary renditions?



Thats not the topic so stay on it. The topic is NK, if you want to talk about hte US problems start your own, or look through the countless other threads that talk about the US and its past issues.

But anyhow, youre saying that because the US and SK felt they needed to cut down a tree inside the DMZ because it obstructed the view from checkpoint to checkpoint, that the NK troops had the right to assault unarmed US, SK, and UN personnel because they woulnd stop doing it? Kind of absured if you ask me. I know what youll say, youll just bring up past US involved incidents to justify their actions instead of staying on the topic.

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posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:09 AM
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With respect it IS the topic - you asked the question 'is NK the worst terrorist state in history?'.

Many would argue (with justification) that the US has been responsible for more terror, deaths, subversion of democracy etc etc than NK could ever dream of.

If you have an issue with these repsonses you should formulate your post titles with more care

People in glass houses......



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by ludaChris

Thats not the topic so stay on it. The topic is NK, if you want to talk about hte US problems start your own, or look through the countless other threads that talk about the US and its past issues.


It is the topic actually, because the topic is 'North Korea - The Worst Terrorist State In History' which invites people to post whether North Korea is 'The Worst Terrorist State In History'. It's called a debate, and in my post, I compared North Korea's actions to that of US foreign policy that could very well challenge the view that North Korea is 'the worst terrorist state in history' if we are to call North Korea's actions as terrorist and compare them with US foreign policy.

You don't like it that the topic title has invited and started this debate, don't read, or don't get involved in topics that will raise this debate, because it's valid.

It's called debate, and the topic title invited it.



Originally posted by ludaChris
But anyhow, youre saying that because the US and SK felt they needed to cut down a tree inside the DMZ because it obstructed the view from checkpoint to checkpoint, that the NK troops had the right to assault unarmed US, SK, and UN personnel because they woulnd stop doing it? Kind of absured if you ask me. I know what youll say, youll just bring up past US involved incidents to justify their actions instead of staying on the topic.


I was not comparing a killing over the cutting down of a tree with US foreign policy but North Korea's actions with US foreign Policy which is on topic as part of the title's invitation to debate whether North Korea are 'the worst terrorist state' because of it's action which in themselves can be compared to US foreign policy.

Nice attempt by you to detract from the debate.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Strangerous
With respect it IS the topic - you asked the question 'is NK the worst terrorist state in history?'.

Many would argue (with justification) that the US has been responsible for more terror, deaths, subversion of democracy etc etc than NK could ever dream of.

If you have an issue with these repsonses you should formulate your post titles with more care

People in glass houses......


Erm, it's my thread, not ludachris's therefore he had nothing to do with the title. Seems that you didn't actually read the 1st post. Why don't you show me comparable US state sponsored terrorism ? Have the US blown up airliners, made incursions into NK etc.
The North Koreans are responsible for 420 000 terrorist incidents committed against South korea since the Korean War.

However tehse typical anti-american rants are getting pretty old. Regensturnm's attempted comparisons are not in context and therfore false. Maybe some more reading on the subject would enlighten him.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by mad scientist
Why don't you show me comparable US state sponsored terrorism ?


The Sponsoring of death squads in Nicragua, El Salvador and other places in Latin America in the 70's and 80's.

The sponsering of military junta coups against leaders the US did not like, leading to oppression, leading to 'The dissapeared'.

The sponsoring of Saddam Hussein in the war against Iran.

The sponsoring of a certain Bin Laden in Afghanistan.


Look it up. Search the internet.



Originally posted by mad scientist
However tehse typical anti-american rants are getting pretty old. Regensturnm's attempted comparisons are not in context and therfore false. Maybe some more reading on the subject would enlighten him.


However these accusations of anti-american rants are getting pretty old and are false, because anyone who criticises the US foreign policy is accused to be anti-american, when they are anti-american foreign policy.

My comparisons are in context and true. Maybe some reading on the subject would enlighten you, because ignorance is bliss until reality bites.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by mad scientist


Erm, it's my thread, not ludachris's therefore he had nothing to do with the title. Seems that you didn't actually read the 1st post. Why don't you show me comparable US state sponsored terrorism ? Have the US blown up airliners, made incursions into NK etc.
The North Koreans are responsible for 420 000 terrorist incidents committed against South korea since the Korean War.

However tehse typical anti-american rants are getting pretty old. Regensturnm's attempted comparisons are not in context and therfore false. Maybe some more reading on the subject would enlighten him.


How long have you got?

School of the Americas
National Endowment for Democracy
Air America / Drug running
Nigaragua
South American assinations
Shah of Iran
Iranian airliner
Marcos
Extraordinary rendition
Bay of Pigs
Assination of Diem

etc etc

US has a long history of terrorism and subverting democracy - that's why many see them as the most-likely perpetrators of many of the recent outrages.

NK is involved in a regional low-key war with its neighbour, hardly international terrorism on a US scale



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Regensturm
The sponsoring of Saddam Hussein in the war against Iran.


HHHHmm It was Saddam who was rounding up kids and marching them unarmed line abreast into entrenched infantry - that of course was Iran's leader Khormeni. They went with the best of a bad lot.



The sponsoring of a certain Bin Laden in Afghanistan.


A common misconception, the US never sponsored Bin laden in Afghanistan. Bin Laden wasn't even important back them. BTW it was the Pakistani ISI which was running the war in Afghanistan.



My comparisons are in context and true. Maybe some reading on the subject would enlighten you, because ignorance is bliss until reality bites.


please you've already made a few false statements aka, Bin Laden in afghanistan.

PS. Strangerous, so you're saying that the shoot down of the Iranian airliner was a deliberate act of terrorism, gawd. It seems obvious that you are showing a bias. You have yet to show me an example of direct amercian state sponsored terrorism. you can bleat about regimes supported by the US all you want, that IS NOT state sponsored terrorism.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 11:24 AM
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You're the one bleating - you clearly have an agenda about NK but fail to acknowledge the US's long, long history of sponsoring and training terrorists around the world. Just becasue you do it by proxy doesn't make it right / remove the US's culpability.

Perhaps you should spend a few hours googling the references I gave you, think about what's done in your name and then come back on here and weigh up NK's bloody history and the US's?



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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Good title, but as has been pointed out already, the United States of America far outshines North Korea when it comes to sponsoring terror.

JUST in Nicaragua. Remember Nicaragua? They actually went to the UN to try and get the US to pay reparations for all the terrorist attacks on their country during the Reagan years.

Remember? You were training terrorists to go into Nicaragua and disrupt the government? Death squads, massacres, etc.

Here's the info from the United States National Security Archives, declassified, wherein Nicaragua enumerates the charges against the USA. The UN supported the report, and actually went so far as to recommend the US pay reparations. The US said no, and moved on.

Because terrorists only use the rules when they benefit them.

This is for you, Mad Scientist, since you said :


You have yet to show me an example of direct amercian state sponsored terrorism. you can bleat about regimes supported by the US all you want, that IS NOT state sponsored terrorism.


Just go to your own National Security archives and dig in. Do a search for "U.S. sponsors terror".

www.gwu.edu...


(a) That the United States, in recruiting, training, arming, equipping, financing, supplying and otherwise encouraging, supporting, aiding, and directing military and paramilitary actions in and against Nicaragua, has violated and is violating its express charter and treaty obligations to Nicaragua, and in particular, its charter and treaty obligations under:

- Article 2 (4) of the United Nations Charter;

- Articles 18 and 20 of the Charter of the Organization of American States;

- Article 8 of the Convention on Rights and Duties of States;

- Article I, Third, of the Convention concerning the Duties and Rights f States in the Event of Civil Strife.


(b) That the United States, in breach of its obligation under general and customary international law, has violated and is violating the sovereignty of Nicaragua by:

- armed attacks against Nicaragua by air, land and sea;

- incursions into Nicaraguan territorial waters;
- aerial trespass into Nicaraguan airspace;
- efforts by direct and indirect means to coerce and intimidate the Government of Nicaragua.

(c) That the United States, in breach of its obligation under general and customary international law, has used and is using force and the threat of force against Nicaragua.
(d) That the United States, in breach of its obligation under general and customary international law, has intervened and is intervening in the internal affairs of Nicaragua.
(e) That the United States, in breach of its obligation under general and customary international law, has infringed and is infringing the freedom of the high seas and interrupting peaceful maritime commerce.
(f) That the United States, in breach of its obligation under general and customary international law, has killed, wounded and kidnapped and is killing, wounding and kidnapping citizens of Nicaragua.
(g) That, in view of its breaches of the foregoing legal obligations, the United States is under a particular duty to cease and desist immediately from all use of force -- whether direct or indirect, overt or covert -- against Nicaragua, and from all threats of force against Nicaragua;


So hey, nice title, but woefully innaccurate.

You supported killers like Ceaucescu and Suharto and Pinochet right up until the day they were overthrown, so spare me.

Main site is here :

www.gwu.edu...


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posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 05:31 PM
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I am by no means saying the US' nose is clean, far from it. But if you would notice the first two words in the Title are North Korea, not the US. Like I said there are plenty of threads about the US out there and yall know that. But its not my thread, and the author seems to want to discuss it so lets do that.

I was reading a nice article in the New Yorker while in the infirmary yesterday. It talked about how the US was using the Contras in Nicaragua to fight the Communists. Basically one of the men interviewd was saying that to fight these insurgents you have to have your own insurgents. We knew that Special Forces alone cant win this type of battle, we found that out in Vietnam where after it was over, our Special Forces were decimated. But it will be easier to just give you a link to some dirt on the US than me tell you about it all day.

Dirt on the US

Now lets compare with NK. A less open country who surely has suppressed most of their misdeeds.

NK Dirt
More NK Dirt
Labor Camps
Suppression of Religion in NK(China too)
Death in the Gulags



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 06:14 PM
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Why did this change onto US , AGAIN?

Is this ALL we do now aday is debate how bad the US?
I thought this was supposed to be about NK ?
You know to throw a little spin on this I could see this as deliberate attempts of disinformation by the NWO as they try to eliminate and smear the US and its allies by posting disinformation and writing a diffrent picture of history.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 07:57 PM
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Well, I'm with the people exposing American terrorism.

Why? Because we ALREADY KNOW how bad North Korea is! I highly doubt that the people who brought up the US support NK. They were making valid comparisons to debate the biggest terrorist state.

Look at the human rights in NK (what human rights?
). Their leader openly has a 7 story pleasure palace and kidnaps actresses from SK to pleasure him. Those pricks shot a dummy missile that landed in Alaska and have threatened to nuke us (the US). They've done much dirt against SK.

Dirt like McGirt, no doubt. BUT, when look at the dirt the US has been involved in, there really is no comparison. It's already been pointed out that the US has sponsored terrorism worldwide! I'll add Operation Gladio, the USS Liberty (Johnson was in cahoots with the Israelis), and the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran in the 1950s.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 07:59 PM
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I forgot this point...

We are pointing out the dirty deeds of America because everyone acts like her doo doo doesn't stink. People want to pretend like the US has NEVER been involved in terrorism.

Hell, you could argue that states like Texas being in cahoots with the KKK is an example of American sponsored terror.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo

You supported killers like Ceaucescu and Suharto and Pinochet right up until the day they were overthrown, so spare me.



Erm, gotta love people who mix facts with complete malarcky to try and push their point across, unfortunately it just damages their credibility.

Ceaucescu was a dictator of a strict communist regime controlled by the SOviet Union. America didn't support him
LOL. But hy if you're determined to ash america, facts rarely come into it right ?



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
I'll add Operation Gladio, the USS Liberty (Johnson was in cahoots with the Israelis), and the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran in the 1950s.


I'm sorry but how waqs the attack on the USS Liberty a terrorist incidient ? What are we doing now just listing crapola which has nothing to do with the subject ?

I have still yet to see an example of direct US involvement in terrorist acts. Sure there are plenty of vagueries, ie the US sponsored this group or that, however that isn't state spponsored terrorism and is incomparable to the US.
Hell by your arguments abosut the US, you'd easily be able to argue that the Soivet Union as the biggest sponsor of terrorism, considering all their dirty deeds and especailly as they directly trained many middle eastern terrorist groups. However you people seem to be strangely silent on that or are just blinkered.



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