Photos from inside a Prince Hall Masonic lodge in North Carolina, page 5
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reply posted on 12-7-2009 @ 08:58 PM by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by lee anoma


I can see where this thread would be confusing. I will try to explain it to you from what I understand. The OP thought that by showing the pictures of this lodge (which was posted on their web site) he was showing that Masons treated Prince Hall masons poorly. When in reality each lodge is responsible for their own respective building. Much like the lions club, Ruitans, Woodmen of the World, or any other organization that collectively owns property. I suspect the OP is of African dissent, and caries a chip on his/her shoulders, and also has a warped idea of masons in general.

If I am wrong on any of my assumptions, please feel free to set me straight.

If a lodge from any town needed help with a project, they would need only ask a fellow lodge and there should be ample help available. That is kind of the idea of masonry. There are lodges in the south and other areas, where the old mindset of racism still exists in some members. (masons are people, and not all of them are super smart) But this racist mindset is in direct conflict of the basic principals of masonry. Where men are to be judged by their internal qualities and not the external. IE hypocrites.

So in conclusion, The masons in the lodge presented by the OP are proud masons and have every right to be proud of what and who they are. Racism is stupid/racist people are stupid, and masons are good people trying to be better people as a whole.
Thanks,

Mike



So there is something wrong with being "of African dissent [sic]." I see now that our true colors are starting to show.

Instead of waiting on people to beg, it would be better for Freemasons to seek out those who could use some help. That would be a more genuine gesture of "relief" and "charity" ... or maybe they think of themselves as god-like entities who answer people's prayers?


reply posted on 12-7-2009 @ 09:00 PM by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Viking04


the looms have stopped clicking. They turned the weave plant into a pool supply distributer. We are there on the first Tuesday. IF you U2U me your e-mail, I will let you know when the degrees will be. I will buy you a chicken dinner.



Don't forget the cold drink



reply posted on 12-7-2009 @ 09:18 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by fraterormus


People will do silly things in a moment of desperation. Old people, especially.


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 08:57 AM by network dude
reply to post by vcwxvwligen


I meant a black guy. I tried to be politically correct, but that only works on smart folk. Sorry. What I was trying to get across is that it is my opinion that you are a sad racist person who is looking to race bait whenever possible. Sorry to be so blunt, but it was apparent that that level was needed.

Now you know the "hidden meaning" behind my cryptic post. Perhaps you could either acknowledge or deny those claims. As I said, if I am wrong, please show me.


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 09:14 AM by network dude
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen


So there is something wrong with being "of African dissent [sic]." I see now that our true colors are starting to show.

Instead of waiting on people to beg, it would be better for Freemasons to seek out those who could use some help. That would be a more genuine gesture of "relief" and "charity" ... or maybe they think of themselves as god-like entities who answer people's prayers?


There is only something wrong with it if you can't handle it. We all see the race issue brought out way more than it needs to be. You seem to be on the Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton band wagon of stirring the pot whenever convenient. That is a very un-Christian way to be.

As for the charity of other lodges, do you know how we get our money? Didn't think so. I'll tell you, we donate it from the ranks of our lodge. We pay dues each year. We do fund raisers for the building fund. We work to do whatever is needed to accomplish our goals. We don't expect a hand out from anyone. We aren't' looking to sit on our butts and wait for someone who has more money than they need to drop some of it off by our place. Every lodge in NC operates this way. It's kind of like in the real world where you are responsible for your own successes or failures based on how much you are willing to put into the effort.

masonic lodges have no welfare system. Is your neighbors house nice. Does it need anything done to it? If so, why have you not fixed all the issues with your neighbors house? See why that is a stupid argument?


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 02:15 PM by network dude
reply to post by KSigMason


that looks like a cool location. Probably real cool in January. But with the mountains in the background, it looks to be a beautiful spot.

Our lodge used to own the room above the theater in Dunn. It is the old style theater from the long ago. We sold the property and raised enough money to build our current lodge. The new one is great and new, but it wasn't always that way.


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:33 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by network dude


Wow, I went from being a person of African descent to an angry black man. Next thing you'll say about me is that I'm part of the "African-American community." After that, you will just say "your people."

Deny ignorance.


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:41 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by network dude


Explain why someone should not be able to handle being "of African-American persuasion"

Wow, so persevering and actually saying what you mean is stirring the pot ... and on a conspiracy discussion forum no less

Yes, I did know that lodges do fundraising and charge membership fees. What makes you think I didn't?


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:59 PM by network dude
reply to post by vcwxvwligen


you are the one who was all bent out of shape with me summarizing that you were of African dissent. (I hate the term African American, you are one or the other, or you came from Africa and are a first generation citizen.) Since you got your panties in a wad over my comment, I had to put it bluntly for you. I explained the rest to you because you don't seem to understand how a masonic lodge gets it's funding, (hence the reason for this thread that YOU started.) If you started this thread for a different reason and I missed your point please correct me. I am all ears.

edit to add: and to make it even more clear, you came across as an angry black guy who thinks that the Prince Hall masons are treated bad because they are black and the "regular masons" are mostly white. If you go back and read your posts, I think that even a child could figure that out.

[edit on 13-7-2009 by network dude]


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 05:36 PM by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by vcwxvwligen


you are the one who was all bent out of shape with me summarizing that you were of African dissent. (I hate the term African American, you are one or the other, or you came from Africa and are a first generation citizen.) Since you got your panties in a wad over my comment, I had to put it bluntly for you. I explained the rest to you because you don't seem to understand how a masonic lodge gets it's funding, (hence the reason for this thread that YOU started.) If you started this thread for a different reason and I missed your point please correct me. I am all ears.

edit to add: and to make it even more clear, you came across as an angry black guy who thinks that the Prince Hall masons are treated bad because they are black and the "regular masons" are mostly white. If you go back and read your posts, I think that even a child could figure that out.

[edit on 13-7-2009 by network dude]



Once you start discussing race, racial stereotypes come into play. I never explicity said, "This is how White Masons are treating Blacks Masons." One could make that implication by me mentioning the crappy condition of Price Hall lodges. However, as posters have pointed out, there are Black people in the AF&AM lodge and non-Black people in the Prince Hall lodge.

In actuality, there is a historical basis for assuming that Masons exercise prejudice against Blacks, and the Prince Hall lodge is a vestige of that prejudice.

If you want to talk specifically about Black issues with Freemasonry, Freemasons adopted parts of various African cultures into their own customs. Basically they are robbing Black people of their culture and history, then selling them back a shrink-wrapped product. Before you catch a hemorrhoid attack I will mention that this also happens with lots of other institutions such as the larger Greek-letter fraternities, the NAACP, the mainstream media and "Mickey-D's". That is something about which neither Jesse Jackson nor Al Sharpton expresses concern.


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 06:01 PM by network dude
reply to post by vcwxvwligen


The "black"culture is what is new and exciting nowadays, so yea, everyone who is selling something is all of the sudden "down with that". I hate a sell out worse than anything, so I do see your point. I really just wanted to hear you say it in print that you started this thread for that reason. That way we could discuss the real issue here and maybe have some other people become aware of the stupidity of racial barriers in masonry. Yes they do still exist.(no surprise) Stereotypes for any group is a bad thing. Overcoming those mentally challenged ideas is a project I would like to be involved in. Proliferating the idea that PH masons are lesser is a mistake. Helping to change the thought process across the board would be the solution to that issue. At least in part.



reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 07:49 PM by KSigMason
reply to post by network dude

Yeah, the building straddles the Creek. The road is merciless though, it's almost impossible to get their in the winter with all the snow.


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 08:16 PM by Viking04
reply to post by KSigMason


Bro KSig:

Is that the 47th problem of Euclid under the peak of the eaves?
That is a very cool Lodge picture, one of the coolest I have ever seen. Thanks much for posting the pic. You earned the star for sure.

The neatest Lodge I have ever been in is the Lodge in Old Williamsburg. (It is the only property in OW that is not owned by the corporation.) I was there, doing the tourista thing a number of years ago. As I passed, I noticed a car in the driveway. The Lodge has a nice picket fence, with signs informing all that the Lodge is private property. I went through the gate and approached the door. One of the docents started yelling for me to get out and that they won't let me in. I smiled and responded that they will open to my knock.

Sure enough, the Brother was in there cleaning up. He gave me a nice little tour and history. Thanks again for the pic.


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 08:24 PM by KSigMason
reply to post by Viking04

Yeah, that's the 47th Problem of Euclid. The original officer jewels of the Lodge were made from silver mined there.

That's cool they gave you a tour. Every historical Lodge I've been I have been able to get a tour: King Solomon's Territorial Lodge (Tombstone, AZ), Scottish Rite building (Little Rock, AR), and some Masonic buildings in Colorado Springs.
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