reply to post by Tiloke
You do not go to jail. If the state has such a requirement (maybe yours does), then refusing to sign means you go and post a bond with the court.
You do not go to 'jail', unless there is an accident, injury, or other felony crime involved.
Since most cities do not have 24-hour traffic court, and the citizen can't be imprisoned for a misdemeanor, the officer is in sort of a pickle.
Therefore, most officer's just write "refused to sign." As an officer, some states allow you to seize the driver's license in lieu of a
signature. That is kind of funny, because they can't drive away at that point.
You are correct that the signature is an agreement to appear before the court, but once the citation is issued, it does not matter if it is signed or
How do the red-light camera's get signatures? Will I be arrested if I continue to drive? What about toll booth runners? The signature is a
formality, but it is not required.
An overzealous cop (maybe such as yourself) could read whatever they want in that requirement you posted, but the law is in the state statutes and the
city and county ordinances, not in your departmental regulations.
I am a subject of the law, not your departmental regulations. At the time of the citation, I am guilty of nothing, and therefore I do not have to
comply with unlawful demands from an officer. Try to arrest me! Like I said before, there are some great cops out there, and I have encountered a
lot of them. There are also some terrible ones, and I thoroughly enjoy rubbing their noses in it! I have been in some sticky situations, but
normally a higher ranking officer comes along and schools the rookies! I have gone to jail several times, many times deservedly, and a couple that
were illegal. I have cost at least two officers their jobs, and I am proud of such, because they did not have the public's best interest at heart.
They were all too excited about being cops, instead of serving the public! I have many more stories if you would like to hear them.
By the way, I am not confrontational just for fun. I highly respect the jobs that officer's do. One of my good friends is a police chief, several
of the members of my Masonic lodge are Highway Patrol, Deputy Sheriffs, and City Cops. One of my best friends in the world is an FBI agent.
I just believe it is every citizen's duty to know and enforce their rights before they are all eroded away. I am always very polite, and yet firm.
I comply with what is justified and I flatly refuse that which is not. If the officers try to overstep their authority, I advise them that they are
going to need a supervisor or some help, but I am non-threatening. Refusing an unlawful order should not be construed as a threat, but a lot of cops
don't realize that.
[edit on 2-6-2009 by getreadyalready]