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State moves to restrict Catholics in politics

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posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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State moves to restrict Catholics in politics


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WND FAITH UNDER FIRE
State moves to restrict Catholics in politics
Official contends church must register as 'lobbyist' to speak out
Posted: June 01, 2009
9:30 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Bishop William E. Lori

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Bridgeport in Connecticut has filed a federal lawsuit following assertions by a state official that rallying church members at the Capitol in Hartford constitutes a violation of lobbying law.

Six weeks after 4,000 Catholics in Connecticut rallied in opposition to a proposed state law known as Bill 1098, which d
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posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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Here we go again. Another state is now trying to control religious free speech. This time it's Connecticut.
Again, for those that wish to once again pound the Catholic Church, remember the words of Pastor Niemoller:

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

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posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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duelity in political application and law.

You are an individual or an assembly, a united party.

Whichever fits the needs of the means.

If they don't like civil protest and opinion contrary to them, they should work in the private sector, not spew forth dictatorial wannabe dietycomplex delusional rants decreeing it law by cackling and senseless utterings of an unwell man.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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...world nut daily is as reputable as the bridgeport ct bishops walter w. curtis and edward m. egan who tried to cover up the activities of pedophile priests...



posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 03:41 AM
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What is it that the world has against the Catholics Church? We are NOT evil! There have been a few mistakes in the history of our Church, but that was a long, LONG time ago, and we've apologized, and have done much to help the world! Where do people usually go when they need food and shelter? They find the nearest Catholic church, who usually has a pantry, and know a place where the people can stay. We raise money for charities, run a good number of the world's charities, build houses for others, etc.

Plus, if you look into the history of the Protestant Churches, you'll find the same wrong doings as was done in the Catholic Church. Not only are the Protestant Churches guilty of the same Crusades, but they've ALSO tried and killed people who didn't follow their religion. People talk about the Inquisition, but no one talks about how Queen Elizabeth, in the name of the Anglican Church, arrested and murdered tens of thousands of non-Anglicans, especially Catholics (and no, I'm not exaggerating - she wiped out entire cities in Ireland). There were people murdered by Puritans for being "witches", without having any actual proof. I'm sure that there are other examples, but I can't think of any more off the top of my head. I wish people would stop persecuting the Catholic Church for past wrongs, and/or for not believing the same things as the rest of you. I'm just sick and tired of it.

Besides, the state has NO RIGHT, WHATSOEVER to tell the Church how to run their hierarchy, and the Church has EVERY RIGHT to protest against such a law! It's SICKENING to see someone doing this just because they want to take us down since they don't agree with our beliefs, and they take the first chance that they see as an opening to make a law against us because ONE priest makes a mistake (and priests are also humans, which means that they sin, too)! Here's what Church members were protesting against:

Churches outraged at state's interference



The bill, proposed last week by the co-chairmen of the Legislature's Judiciary Committee, Rep. Michael Lawlor, D-East Haven, and Sen. Andrew McDonald, D-Stamford, would reorganize the internal structure of local parishes to remove priests and bishops from financial oversight to replace them with boards of laypeople.
"The [church] shall have a board of directors consisting of not less than seven nor more than thirteen lay members," the bill states, then assigns all financial oversight to the board, specifies the board's governing duties and even dictates how often the boards shall meet. The bill further mandates that archbishops and bishops not be allowed to vote on the boards.
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McDonald told the Connecticut Post the impetus for the bill was the publicized case of a priest in Darien, Conn., who was convicted of stealing up to $1.4 million from lay donations, demonstrating the need for laypeople to be more involved in their parishes' financial affairs and to be able to hold their leaders accountable.

That priest should have been chastised by the bishop, then stripped of his job and title, and thrown in prison. Don't punish the rest of the religion for something ONE PERSON did! Also, the state and it's law has NO RIGHT to single out the Catholic Church. If you're going to TRY to make a law, don't discriminate: make it about all religions. Or, better yet, don't make the law at all! You'll just get your behinds kicked in court!

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posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...world nut daily is as reputable as the bridgeport ct bishops walter w. curtis and edward m. egan who tried to cover up the activities of pedophile priests...
If they're as unreliable as you say, then how come I've found other news agencies reporting on the topic?
www.catholic.org...
www.connpost.com...
www.freerepublic.com...



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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Thanks for your reply. The bigots above your replies just can't wait to trash the Church no matter what. Unfortunately, someday, it will be their turn, as this socialist/atheist government continues to grab complete control of the American Populace. They don't obviously understand the words of Pastor Neimoeller, or the fact that this action is just one more link in the elimination of free speech in America.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Catholicism happens to be the dominate Christian religion in Connecticut so I am not surprised it is under attack. Christianity is under attack everywhere in this country not just Catholicism. Catholicism has an advantage other denominations do not have. There are many great Catholic Colleges and parocial schools. Unlike, other denominations it is harder for those who dislike Christianity to black ball Catholics from recieving an education.

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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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Christianity is under attack everywhere in this country not just Catholicism.


I agree with you. Unfortunately, there are some, like the two posters earlier on this thread, that use any mention of Catholicism to bash it. They just can't seem to understand that ALL religion is under attack in this country, and that an attack on one, is an attack on all, as well as an attack on the Bill of Rights.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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all though i oppose the catholic church and any other organized religions i think that the state shouldnt be able to decide how the church should run its self although if the church was into illegal activities like the priest they should be prosecuted but the separation of the church and the state goes both ways not just one



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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i think that the state shouldnt be able to decide how the church should run its self although if the church was into illegal activities like the priest they should be prosecuted but the separation of the church and the state goes both ways not just one

I absolutely agree with that statement. I think every reasonable person, Catholic, or non-Catholic, believes that those cases should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
My concern is that this news item is just one more step in the elimination of the Bill of Rights in the United States. Slowly, but surely, freedoms are being removed from the American Landscape, and one day, we will all wake up and find that this country has become a totalitarian state.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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Very frustrating.

I'm not Catholic so this is purely from a rights issue and has nothing to do with my personal religious beliefs.

It looks like their right to religious expression, free speech, and the right to assembly is being infringed upon, as the article mentions, albeit subtly.

What seems to be occurring is this: Because the government cannot directly interfere without it being a blatant infringement, what they are trying to do is use red tape in order to make it a subtle infringement. It reminds me of the recent news story requiring permits to hold a Bible study.

Since they cannot technically say 'You will not practice your religion' they're trying to say you will need this (unaffordable) permit, you will need *this* registration, you will have to label yourself as a lobbyist group, etc., etc.

I really hope people see this for what it is- yet another attempt to take away citizens rights instead of resorting to a religious bashing fest.

Let's completely take religion out of the equation for a moment and pretend this is any other group rallying at their capitol. We already need permits to assemble (which I feel is ridiculous but I can understand it on some accounts). But now we have to label ourselves as lobbyists according to the government's definitions to petition our own government?

Nonsense.



posted on Jun, 6 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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Here is a very interesting article about China and their requirement to have Churches register:



The Chinese government does not allow unregistered churches to have church buildings. For this reason, many members of these churches congregate in their homes, forming "house churches." Many independent congregations today belong to unnamed churches, rather than to the founding indigenous churches described above. Most of these groups devote time to study of the eschatological and apocalyptic texts, from which they derive strength and faith in the midst of persecution. A high view of Christology also helps them to hold fast to their faith. The worship experiences and preaching of such groups are often charismatic.

The primary distinction in Chinese church life is that between registered and unregistered churches. The government wants all churches to register through the TSPM or the CCC. Many of the independent churches have declined to register, because they believe in the separation of church and state, of theology and politics. And, of course, because the government is officially atheist, they see it as naturally in conflict with religion.

No great theological chasm exists between registered churches and unregistered churches. Many Chinese Christians attend both. I have visited the official seminaries and Bible colleges of the Three-Self movement and have heard sermons preached in churches aligned with Three-Self their teaching and preaching are as biblical as any lectures and sermons of evangelical seminaries and churches in the U.S. And the great attention to biblical studies in the unregistered churches does not necessarily indicate high orthodoxy. There are many heresies and superstitions in these churches, especially in rural areas -- and it is in these locations that Chinese Christianity is growing by leaps and bounds.

However, there is a difference between registered and unregistered churches in political attitude. Most of the churches aligned with the TSPM and the CCC adhere to the theology of Romans 13:1, 4 ("let every person be subject to the governing authorities . . . [they are] God’s servant for your good") and 1 Peter 2:13 ("For the Lord’s sake accept the authority of every human institution"). They hope to be God’s agent of salvation within the political reality. In response to the communist view of religion -- and the TSPM has no illusions about communism’s atheist views -- the TSPM has been accommodating, finding ways to cooperate with the state’s mission.

The political attitude of the unregistered churches reflects the theology of the Book of Revelation. They assume that the Chinese government, being communist in ideology, is pagan and satanic -- similar to that of the Roman Empire, the beast and the dragon in Revelation. Most unregistered churches do not believe that Christianity should collaborate with a government that does not love or honor God. By and large, they don’t find the communist government a trustworthy partner or think that the state’s fallenness is redeemable. Many unregistered churches attempt to focus on theology and to be detached from politics.



www.religion-online.org...

In fact, virtually all communist governments either prohibit religious practice OR put severe restrictions on them.

There is no question that the United States and the far left government politicos are heading in that direction. Liberal humanists regard religion as superstition and myth, and an obstacle to liberal "enlightenment".

One of our relatives conducts home Bible studies in their home, and they are extremely concerned. BTW, that relative is not Catholic, but a Protestant sect. This will affect all religious groups.

I'm sure at some point they will require Jewish citizens to register in order to hold a Seder. No one is safe from this socialist/communist movement to destroy all religious practice in America.



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