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posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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The conspiracy here is how and why your tools of death will be taken from you. We realize now that throughout history, the manifestation of death was embodied by weapons. From clubs, to swords, to guns: They are all a continua of hand held death machine.

What is the pattern displayed as this continua ever moves to the right?

The hand held weapons become more powerful.... always more power. More destruction. More death.

There is now more power in a hand held rocket launcher than there existed in a 50 foot tall medevil siege machine which threw 300 pound stones. One man has the power of an entire army armed with swords... an entire nation armed with clubs.

No longer do we use wooden clubs, fletchery, swordsmanship, spearmanship, etc.. .in battle. We use explosives projectiles in the form of bullets, bombs, and rockets.

As we eventually come to the end of the age of explosive projectiles just as we came to the end of the age of club and sword - yes, that's right - we move on to other technologies, we move into the realm of photon based weaponry, sound based weaponry, and other wave based weaponry.

Do you really think you'll ever get to hold a nuclear side arm?

NO! The power will never be available in such a form. Weapons will be long gone before then.


Title 10 of the US Code states:



(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia


The second amendment CLEARLY STATES that it is about a well regulated (i.e organized) militia.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The purpose of a militia is to BE CALLED TO ARMS when the the State, or Government requests you. If you are not willing to be called to arms, then you are a TRAITOR and COWARD and DO NOT DESERVE TO OWN A WEAPON.

If you ARE willing to be called to arms then... JOIN THE ORGANIZED MILITIA.

Further, it is settled law that the second amendment only applies to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT for the purposes of RESTRICTING ORGANIZED STATE MILITIA.

The Federal Government CAN NOT infringe on a STATE'S RIGHT TO ARM IT'S WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA for the security of a free state.... this has NO BEARING on the unorganized militia as illustrated in the federal law which BANS INDIVIDUAL FELONS from owning firearms.

Unorganized individuals DO NOT protect the security of the state so get the fantasy idea out of your head that the Chinese are going to invade, only to be pushed back by a bunch of rednecks, gang members, and whoever else who owns a few weapons... nor will a bunch of unorganized, conspiracy theorists with guns push back the standing active-duty military services when the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT invades the states! ROFL.

This doesn't mean that a STATE CAN NOT impose it's own laws and regulations for private firearm ownership for it.

We will take your death machines and your desire for death and destruction from you by conquest or consent.

You lost long ago, before any of this was started. The seeds to take your "right" to bear arms was planted long in the past: you never had one!

Give them up, while you can.

If you wait for us to take them, you will suffer the consequence of death.

This is what our FEMA camps are for. It is for those who are found with weapons after we decree that it is illegal to own them. You will be given 24 hours to turn in all of your weapons. After that time limit is up, you have no more amnesty. You will be considered a domestic terrorist and will be taken to concentration facilities upon your capture. Anyone reported using a weapon (in the woods, hunting) will be taken and placed in a camp as well.




posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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you know,your post makes me wonder how long TPTB have been trying to keep us weak(for lack of a better word)I mean in midievil times did TPTB take away peoples swords?



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by genius/idoit
you know,your post makes me wonder how long TPTB have been trying to keep us weak(for lack of a better word)I mean in midievil times did TPTB take away peoples swords?


Swords were made illegal in Japan before 1900. Guns are also illegal there, now.

2 People were killed by guns in 2006.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 07:23 PM
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I'm a gun-owning American, and since I'm an adult - that automatically makes me part of the militia under founding fathers definitions.

If this is an example of how the powers that be think, if this is an example of their rationale, and if this is an example of their metal, then I'm not nearly as concerned as I was before.

These guys will drop like mosquitoes behind a fogging truck.

The problem is that folks with actual sense can read the Constitution and understand very clearly what was meant.

My guns are mine.

Why don't you come try to take them?



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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reply to post by dooper
 
Dooper, I've been reading your posts for awhile and I just now added you to my friends list for that last post.
I am a disabled Vet, (nothing too serious) and I got, some guns.
I dare any malinformed, mealy mouth, anti constitution, gun grabbing, do gooder, tree hugging, animals have rights, 1st ammendment waiving (as they stomp on the 2nd), to come and se if they really want to go through the process of taking me from mine.
The people that read and hate the 2nd say, To maintain a well organized militia, and conveniently skip the comma.
Oh well, maybe another thread.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
I'm a gun-owning American, and since I'm an adult - that automatically makes me part of the militia under founding fathers definitions.

If this is an example of how the powers that be think, if this is an example of their rationale, and if this is an example of their metal, then I'm not nearly as concerned as I was before.

These guys will drop like mosquitoes behind a fogging truck.

The problem is that folks with actual sense can read the Constitution and understand very clearly what was meant.

My guns are mine.

Why don't you come try to take them?



I already said, we are going to take them.

You can act like a caged animal all you want. You are expected to act emotionally, like a caged beast as we demand your weapons and give you the opportunity to give them up.

We have it covered. Ammunition purchases will soon be recorded. Bullets will be serialized. You will be entered into a database.

Those felons who still posses firearms, by reasonable assumption that they've ever purchased ammunition will no longer be able to work. You will no longer receive government benefits. You will have your accounts frozen; you will be wiped off the face of society for all intents and purposes.

You will be as cockroaches, scurrying about - just waiting to be EXTERMINATED.

The only private citizens allowed to have weapons will be the organized militia - those members of the national guard who DESERVE TO OWN A WEAPON and can be UTILIZED AS A MILITIA-PERSON.

Those who are WILLING to FIGHT for the country. Not those who pretend they will head the call - but those who are actively a part of the Militia, for the security of the state and country.

Veterans, wish to own a weapon? Join the organized militia then!

Own a weapon FOR A REASON.

Own a weapon FOR A PURPOSE.



The people that read and hate the 2nd say, To maintain a well organized militia, and conveniently skip the comma.
Oh well, maybe another thread.


Nobody skipped the comma. The 2nd amendment is obviously phased in such a manner that the federal government can not prohibit state militias from arming themselves - as it were, from an assumed fear of state vs. federal government civil war.

The unorganized militia is not well regulated or organized. It consists of caged animals who claw and snap and any mention of taking guns away.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
reply to post by dooper
 
Dooper, I've been reading your posts for awhile and I just now added you to my friends list for that last post.
I am a disabled Vet, (nothing too serious) and I got, some guns.
I dare any malinformed, mealy mouth, anti constitution, gun grabbing, do gooder, tree hugging, animals have rights, 1st ammendment waiving (as they stomp on the 2nd), to come and se if they really want to go through the process of taking me from mine.


Well, I'm slightly lefty, libertarian, believe animals have rights and hug trees. The individuals' right to bear arms shall not be infrined and neither should be free speech.

I don't know, we two-winged extremists might be a problem while the lefties and righties go flopping about in a circle.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by NWOhereNOW
The conspiracy here is how and why your tools of death will be taken from you. We realize now that throughout history, the manifestation of death was embodied by weapons. From clubs, to swords, to guns: They are all a continua of hand held death machine.

What is the pattern displayed as this continua ever moves to the right?

The hand held weapons become more powerful.... always more power. More destruction. More death.

There is now more power in a hand held rocket launcher than there existed in a 50 foot tall medevil siege machine which threw 300 pound stones. One man has the power of an entire army armed with swords... an entire nation armed with clubs.

No longer do we use wooden clubs, fletchery, swordsmanship, spearmanship, etc.. .in battle. We use explosives projectiles in the form of bullets, bombs, and rockets.

As we eventually come to the end of the age of explosive projectiles just as we came to the end of the age of club and sword - yes, that's right - we move on to other technologies, we move into the realm of photon based weaponry, sound based weaponry, and other wave based weaponry.

Do you really think you'll ever get to hold a nuclear side arm?

NO! The power will never be available in such a form. Weapons will be long gone before then.


Title 10 of the US Code states:



(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia


The second amendment CLEARLY STATES that it is about a well regulated (i.e organized) militia.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The purpose of a militia is to BE CALLED TO ARMS when the the State, or Government requests you. If you are not willing to be called to arms, then you are a TRAITOR and COWARD and DO NOT DESERVE TO OWN A WEAPON.

If you ARE willing to be called to arms then... JOIN THE ORGANIZED MILITIA.

Further, it is settled law that the second amendment only applies to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT for the purposes of RESTRICTING ORGANIZED STATE MILITIA.

The Federal Government CAN NOT infringe on a STATE'S RIGHT TO ARM IT'S WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA for the security of a free state.... this has NO BEARING on the unorganized militia as illustrated in the federal law which BANS INDIVIDUAL FELONS from owning firearms.

Unorganized individuals DO NOT protect the security of the state so get the fantasy idea out of your head that the Chinese are going to invade, only to be pushed back by a bunch of rednecks, gang members, and whoever else who owns a few weapons... nor will a bunch of unorganized, conspiracy theorists with guns push back the standing active-duty military services when the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT invades the states! ROFL.

This doesn't mean that a STATE CAN NOT impose it's own laws and regulations for private firearm ownership for it.

We will take your death machines and your desire for death and destruction from you by conquest or consent.

You lost long ago, before any of this was started. The seeds to take your "right" to bear arms was planted long in the past: you never had one!

Give them up, while you can.

If you wait for us to take them, you will suffer the consequence of death.

This is what our FEMA camps are for. It is for those who are found with weapons after we decree that it is illegal to own them. You will be given 24 hours to turn in all of your weapons. After that time limit is up, you have no more amnesty. You will be considered a domestic terrorist and will be taken to concentration facilities upon your capture. Anyone reported using a weapon (in the woods, hunting) will be taken and placed in a camp as well.


How did you get all of that from;

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"
?...?....?



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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If you wait for us to take them, you will suffer the consequence of death.


Either this statement was made to try and instill fear or to provoke a emotional outburst. I am not one easily given to emotional outbursts and to be honest it would take far better than you could hope to muster to cause me to feel anxious much less cause me fear.

I assume that from this statement that you believe that it is the government's right to take away anyhing from the people that it chooses, and that anyone who refuses should be subject to death. It is obvious that weapons are not the only item on the list of things to be taken away.
It would appear that the removal of all individual rights is the intended goal.

No matter what rights they try to take from me, they will fail. The only thing they may succeed in taking would be my life. I would rather die a free man than live the life of a coward and a slave.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 08:54 PM
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Take your meds and go lay down..

You are no way a ''we'',so please deflate your chest..

all your doing is provoking an emotional response to try to justify that gun owners are ''bad irrational people''..



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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You obviously have never served in the military. If you think the American Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine is brainwashed to turn on his own people, your mistaken. They will not turn on a citizen and take his weapons. He will not herd them into camps for disidents. The military members are he most educated and dedicated of all armed forces to date. The government would have to use foreign troops or police to effect this gun grab.

If the government was that effective in controlling people, why has it taken so long in Iraq and Afganistan. Primitive roadside bombs and weapons kill many of our bravest troops. I would expect the American savy and ingenuity would overcome any control. Do not under estimate the American will to survive and overcome adversity. They will be pushed only so far. It would be a blood bath of emmense proportions.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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I'll tell you here what I told you in the other thread. You misquote one piece of the law and say that the militia is the standing army and I told you point blank that your moronic reply is wrong.
I quote:

Tell me Mr. Scholar Just who are the militia. Its the people you moron, Always has been always will be. No standing Army can be a militia. maybe you need to actually look up what militia means. It means CITIZEN Armies.

"Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." Tench Coxe

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" Tench Coxe

"The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unnecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them"
Tench Coxe

That's who and what the militia in this country has always been and always will no matter what your small wishful minded liberal leaning !!
Think what you like but your never going to disarm us.

Zindo



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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NWO, one thing about your posts. It's "we" this, and "'we" that. You aren't up to it yourself? Of course you aren't. This attempt to elicit an overly emotional response is really weak. However, I'll play.

Your "group" may come and take my showbread. My "throw aways" that are held just for that very purpose. But I'll be noting those who came, and upon their leaving, I'll start my own stalk. The prey always goes to a skilled and determined hunter. Always. One at a time, with care, planning, and ruthless execution.

Castro started out in the mountains of Cuba with a ragtag band. Oddly, he was able to get all the weapons and ammo he needed. You can record all the ammo purchases you want, you can serialize all the ammo you want, but for every limitation, there's a counter. A way around. Do you realize that even though heroine is outlawed, I bet that right this moment, there is some in your town.

I don't receive government benefits, nor can my accounts be frozen. I keep my accounts clean and oiled. And when payment is due, then you can be assured that I will make full payment.

I never minded scurrying around as a cockroach, as there's a time for all things. A time for hunting, a time for hiding. A time to freeze and a time to stalk. A time for boldness, a time for meekness. A time to heal, a time to . . . well, you get the idea. The trick is knowing when to do what. Had an enemy battalion hunting us for two days. One of them stepped right between my face and my rifle.

And that extermination of people like me you're suggesting? Well, some of us just don't get killed worth a damn. Just a contrary nature I suppose.

How determined are you? Personally?

I'm empty. I've done everything I've ever wanted, I hold nothing of value, I have nothing to lose, nothing I'd miss, nothing I'd regret.

My sole motivation would not be concerned with what I hold valuable, but what my opponents hold valuable. Life, family, friends, the usual. What are their weaknesses? What are their habits? What can they not afford to lose? What do they fear? What can they not stand the thought of losing? That is what makes them weak, vulnerable, creatures of habit, and very predictable.

I like predictable people, and everyone is. I like arrogant people - they are the most blind. I like forceful people, because they can't tolerate force against them.

That National Guard you're counting on? Won't see them past the first meeting, and they'll likely be protecting and defending the State they're from. Many will be joining that unorganized militia you demean, protecting their families and defending the Constitution as it is written, as it is intended.

No caged animals. Me? I'm a chameleon. I can smile with a mouthful of ****. No snapping. Just patiently taking up the trail, tracking down those who would design to take my property, and then setting things right.

I am former Special Forces, and if you think I'll do the first thing you'd expect, you're in for a big disappointment. I'm too aware of the dangers. I follow no anticipated line of approach. Indirect tactics are as numerous as there are stars in the sky, and they cannot be defended.

I would go where I wanted. When I wanted. I would see and observe who I wanted. And I would do exactly as I wanted. I would pick the time, the place, the weather, the manner, and come to think of it, it would just all around best to leave me the hell alone.

Because I don't forget.


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posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by NWOhereNOW
 

I'll tell you here what I told you in the other thread. You misquote one piece of the law and say that the militia is the standing army and I told you point blank that your moronic reply is wrong.
I quote:

Tell me Mr. Scholar Just who are the militia. Its the people you moron, Always has been always will be. No standing Army can be a militia. maybe you need to actually look up what militia means. It means CITIZEN Armies. Think what you like but your never going to disarm us.

Zindo



... and I'll tell you again simple Jack: There are two types of Militia. The first, is the organized Militia which includes the National Guard.

The second is the unorginized Militia, and the one that is inherently NOT WELL REGULATED.

You are not covered under the 2nd, and you'll realize it soon enough.

At least you and your crowed are SELF EXTERMINATING. Suicide by ATF.

You'll go down like heroes. They might even make some movies about you.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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I like the way you think!


Maybe NWO should take a look at the IRA. 30 yrs of trying and the British gov. still could not beat them.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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It will be nothing like these retards think. When it comes to absolute ruthless force, there are none that can match the ruthlessness of good men done wrong.

Suicide by the BATF?

I seem to recall with their little black uniforms, full body gear, body armor, black helmets, and their fancy weapons running like hell from their initial assault on the Branch Davidians.

Not quite the badasses they thought they were.

Four miles from me lives a man who I would never, ever want to do wrong. He's the nicest man you'd ever want to meet, he'd do anything within reason to help another, but he has a very strong sense of right and wrong.

He's taken more scalps than me. And he is a ghost.

And skillfully makes ghosts.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by NWOhereNOW
 

NWO, one thing about your posts. It's "we" this, and "'we" that. You aren't up to it yourself? Of course you aren't. This attempt to elicit an overly emotional response is really weak. However, I'll play.


I suppose you are some type of grammar nazi. I bet you get on people who say "Give us a hug" or "How are we doing?"



The trick is knowing when to do what. Had an enemy battalion hunting us for two days. One of them stepped right between my face and my rifle.


Civilization isn't a war zone. Society knows where you are at all times. Those who run, those who hide will only cause the clamp to get tighter. You and your family are not invisible. You can only hide so much.




My sole motivation would not be concerned with what I hold valuable, but what my opponents hold valuable. Life, family, friends, the usual. What are their weaknesses? What are their habits? What can they not afford to lose? What do they fear? What can they not stand the thought of losing? That is what makes them weak, vulnerable, creatures of habit, and very predictable.


Then you'd be a perfect fit over on this side. We are concerned with what you hold valuable. We don't have to hunt you down, but we will.

We can take your loved ones away from you.

You might think you are the biggest stud since Rambo, but I'm willing to bet you have a heart.

Are your guns more important than your loved ones? There are ways to make you comply.



I am former Special Forces, and if you think I'll do the first thing you'd expect, you're in for a big disappointment. I'm too aware of the dangers. I follow no anticipated line of approach. Indirect tactics are as numerous as there are stars in the sky, and they cannot be defended.

I would go where I wanted. When I wanted. I would see and observe who I wanted. And I would do exactly as I wanted. I would pick the time, the place, the weather, the manner, and come to think of it, it would just all around best to leave me the hell alone.

Because I don't forget.


We're a dime a dozen, buddy. You know it, I know it. I've noticed more than a few claiming to be Special Forces here on ATS which proves the point. You're just one of us who let the public allure and myth get to your head to the point that you think you are a superman.

Our skill sets are not unique and they are not secret. Nuns aren't coming for you.



posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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You remind me of the Psychologists who put a number of us through the wringer upon returning from combat. Just like you, they took backward-assed, irritating, dumb-as-hell positions to try to elicit negative responses.

They too, would make the most irrational statements they could think of.

All of that effort was only the first part of an extensive pilot program to determine a psychological profile of a group of selected men who had much higher successes in combat than others.

The reasoning was to enable the Army to compare a man with our collective profile, and hopefully, be able to predict his probability of success in combat.

Hell, I could have saved them the time.

Some people love what they're good at, or some people are really good at what they love doing.

To answer, yes. I have a heart.

It's the only thing that prevents holding a perfect sight picture.

And no, we're not a dime a dozen.

And that's how I know you're just on this thread stirring the pot.

No one could be that dumb.



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posted on Jun, 1 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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A founding father, Alexander Hamilton on the Bill of Rights.



But a minute detail of particular rights is certainly far less applicable to a constitution like that under consideration, which is merely intended to regulate the general political interest of the nation, than to a constitution which has the regulation of every species of personal and private concerns. If therefore the loud clamorous against the plan of the convention on this score, are well founded, no epithets of reprobation will be too strong for the constitution of this state. But the truth is, that both of them contain all, which in relation to their objects, is reasonably to be desired.

I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and in the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers which are not granted; and on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted.For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained, when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed? I will not contend that such a provision would confer a regulating power; but it is evident that it would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretense for claiming that power. They might urge with a semblance of reason, that the constitution ought not to be charged with the absurdity of providing against the abuse of an authority, which was not given, and that the provision against restraining the liberty of the press afforded a clear implication, that a power to prescribe proper regulations concerning it, was intended to be vested in the national government. This may serve as a specimen of the numerous handles which would be given to the doctrine of constructive powers, by the indulgence of an injudicious zeal for bills of rights.


It's obvious that the 2nd amendment paints a colorable pretext to claim more rights than were granted.



posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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You need to read the other Federalist Papers, read the individual state constitutions, and then try to figure out who the militia are.

At the time, it was free, adult, white, property owning males. Same thing as qualifying as a citizen.

They didn't have a National Guard upon determining our Bill of Rights.

They had free, adult, white, property owning males. Now of course, it is inclusive of blacks and women, and the property-owning criteria has been dropped.

Well regulated is to mean working as expected.

Thus, the National Guard is a part of the militia, as well as the citizens.

And to cherry pick Hamilton's words are really disingenuous.

Read everything else he said on the matter.

All this other writings shred your logic. As do all his contemporaries.



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