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BBC's defence correspondent Paul Adams says sources close to The Queen's Lancashire Regiment believe many aspects of the photographs are extremely suspicious.
He says they believe the pictures may not have been taken in Iraq.
They believe the rifle is an SA80 mk 1 - which was not issued to troops in Iraq.
They say soldiers in Iraq wore berets or hard hats - and not floppy hats as in the photos.
They also believe the wrong type of Bedford truck is shown in the background - a type never deployed in Iraq.
Originally posted by AceOfBase
Some doubt has been cast on the authenticity of the photos.
Originally posted by John bull 1
So what has a journalist killed in Pakistan by terrorists and a female US soldier well treated by the Iraqis got to do with US/UK soldiers ritually humiliating and torturing shackled and hooded Iraq prisoners many of whom were in prison for civil offences?
Originally posted by Phaselink
WAKE UP...How about all those captured american 20 year olds that the Islamics put a gun to their their head and blew their brains out!!!
There's really no comparison. That's right. It's real war. People are killed. There's no point in pissing on people, and the effects are negative. Besides that, there's a good reason for not putting dead Americans on the TV, and it's a better reason than the one responsible for these photos appearing in the media. Both liberal and conservative media understand that.
OHHHH...we dont see those picture, why is that, because they would have blown the liberal photogrphers brains out!!!
I assume you're liberal. Awful war-like typing for a liberal. I'll assume that you are a liberal of the type that would have all of the real TRUTH smattered all over TV and newspapers, in the hopes that displaying it prominently may sway the opinions of more Americans against the Iraq invasion. If I assume correctly, you are more dangerous than the enemies we now face, and you must find a way to DENY IGNORANCE IMMEDIATELY!!! If I am wrong, disregard my last.
You fools are about to enter the realm of REAL WAR!!! and unfortunately you will learn that these Islamics want is alll DEAD!!!!
Yes, we know that. They told us. We're killing them just fine. We don't need to escacerbate the problem by pissing on them and otherwise humiliating them. It does nothing to further our cause. Actually, it's a waste of time and energy. But unfortunately, we can't shoot them in the head like they do us, for the same reason we can't urinate on them.
Time will prove my point...I pitty your innocent , kind ignorance....
I've been to war. Twice. This innocent, kind ignorance is what I would consider rational. Something these torture kids are not. I think they are undisciplined, unindoctrinated of the reasons for Law of Land Warfare, and I think they also may be going a little crazy. It seem people back stateside are going a little crazy as well...
Originally posted by marg6043
That's what I said all along, when they take american soldiers, they torture them first and then they kill them I don't see no iraqui or terrorist been arrested for that, and this torture are been seen by all the arab world media but not here I wonder if somebody could be able to get their hands on some pics of what they do to our soldiers onces they are captured that will shup up some conservative groups around here.
I believe all this is a propaganda plan to infuriate the islamic groups so the president have more excuses to go and bomb them more when they start to retaliate because they will retaliate and is not going to be pretty.:
Originally posted by All-Father
I hate to burst the historical bubble you think you've got here, but...
1.) Even many of Hitler's closest disagreed with the liquidation of the Jewish (non-)citizens. The guards, sentries, etc. at Auchswitz would most likely not have agreed with what they were doing, but it was their job, and they couldn't refuse to do it, they wouldn't f***ing dare.
2.) The My Lai massacre was not the result of an unhinged troop. They were given direct orders to shoot the crowd herded up in the center of the village. Men, women and children. Never overlook the fact that human beings are weak-willed creatures. In the end, 99.99% (including everyone reading this) will obey authority.
In conclusion: Thank you for giving me an excuse to point things out, and laugh at the comparison between US and British soldiers. Damn, I needed that...
There's also the thought that these were a few people here and there, but what these soldiers are being accused of is right in between what happened to Jessica and Daniel and Auschwitz.
Daniel was not a condoned case by the government “in control” of the man who killed Daniel. He was one of those men lost in the system like many of our own serial killers here in America (many kill 5-6 women before they’re caught, and some will never be caught). Jessica had the help of many of the non-military civilians.
At the other end of the spectrum, Auschwitz happened WITH the German Government knowing, and applauding. Most civilians didn’t know what was going on, because the press was not really allowed to report. The ranks covered for each other, figuring that anything was good enough for a “dirty Jew.”
We fell smack-dab in the middle of these two.