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Topic started on 1-6-2009 @ 02:44 PM by karl 12
Plants may be able to recognise themselves.



Experiments show that a sagebrush plant can recognise a genetically identical cutting growing nearby.

What's more, the two clones communicate and cooperate with one another, to avoid being eaten by herbivores.

The findings, published in Ecology Letters, raise the tantalising possibility that plants, just like animals, often prefer to help their relatives over unrelated individuals.

The ability to distinguish self from non-self is a vital one in nature.

It allows many animals to act preferentially towards others that are genetically related to themselves; for example, a female lion raising her young, or protecting other more distantly related cubs in her pride.

But the evidence that plants can do the same is limited and controversial.
It implies that plants are capable of more sophisticated behaviour than we imagined.

"It implies that plants are capable of more sophisticated behaviour than we imagined."
Biologist Richard Karban


Biologist Richard Karban:
Some experiments have shown that if a plant's roots grow near to those of another unrelated plant, the two will try to compete for nutrients and water. But if a root grows close to another from the same parent plant, the two do not try to compete with one another.

However, in these experiments, when two cuttings of the same plant are then grown alongside each other, their roots still compete for resources. That infers that two separate plants cannot recognise that they are genetic kin.

Now research by Richard Karban of the University of California, in Davis, US and Kaori Shiojiri of Kyoto University in Otsu, Japan has revealed that some plants are capable of doing just that.

news.bbc.co.uk...


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reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 02:53 PM by Hazelnut
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That is a stunningly awesome report. Plants are responsive and aware. It feels good just to be around them. I admire them and love them all from blade of grass to tallest tree. Some kid whacked at a sapling out front with a machete last spring. When I saw the marks I cried a little and gave the tree a hug, promising to protect it in the future. This year, its the biggest and most beautiful of the saplings in the entire development.

All of my plants are thriving because I love them, care for them and pay attention to them. The neighbors plants/veggies/flowers/trees/shrubs all struggle to keep up even though we share identical conditions.


reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 03:07 PM by argentus
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Fascinating report Karl! From your link:
They took cuttings of Artemisia tridentata, a species of sagebrush that does not normally reproduce by cloning itself.

They placed each cutting either near its genetic parent, essentially its clone, or near an unrelated sagebrush, and let the plants grow in the wild in the University of California Sagehen Creek Natural Reserve. The researchers clipped each clone they planted, feigning damage that might be caused by natural herbivores such as grasshoppers.

After one year, they found that plants growing alongside their damaged clones suffered 42% less herbivore damage than those growing alongside damaged plants that were unrelated.

Somehow, the clipped plants appeared to be warning their genetically identical neighbours that an attack was imminent, and the neighbour should somehow try to protect itself. But clipped plants didn't warn unrelated neighbours.

Karban says he was "pretty surprised" at the results. "It implies that plants are capable of more sophisticated behaviour than we imagined."


That explains how the awful weed here -- cockspur -- manages to always replicate itself next to another awful weed - brown girl. The cockspur, a opposing-barbed vine, seems to "like" climbing up inside the bushy undergrowth of brown girl, and by the time it emerges into view, it is a healthy and hard to eradicate vine. It wraps itself so thoroughly around the brown girl tree that one almost always has to get rid of them both. Brown girl (I don't know why it's called that -- a local term) sends down an enormous taproot which radiates outward -- By the time it's trunk is no more than 1/2" in diameter, most strong humans can't pull it up with both arms and legs working. It's a real symbiotic relationship, as the sharp and sticking cockspur then seems to deter anyone from attacking the brown girl.

I have to slash them both, then use a handyman jack and a homemade choker cable to jack the brown girl out of the ground.


reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 03:39 PM by Toadmund
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There was a mythbusters episode where they played different types of music to different plants, they grew best listening to death metal!
phoebeflakes; It is probably the episode you refer too as well.




And to postmeme.
Eaten raw, imagine their terror being cooked, or boiled?

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reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 05:10 PM by phoebeflakes
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Whichever one it was, I didn't watch the whole thing and didn't see any part that had anything to do with music, but it may have been in the same one....'twould make sense...


reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 09:06 AM by karl 12
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Thanks for the replies

Argentus -that was a very interesting read
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