The End of America, “Gone Without a Whimper”

Originally posted by SGTChas
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

We were RIGHT HERE:

America's Coming "Night of the Long Knives"

Rise of the Evil Empire

You are so indoctrinated you cannot see the forest due to the trees. Then you do sound a bit wet behind the ears as of yet. Too bad you will not be able to gain a little more experience for your row boat ‘id’ to go with your battleship prose.

You really don't get it do you?

As much as you believe that I am indoctrinated, (which you have no idea), I feel that YOU are indoctrinated into hating America.

You hate the fact that Obama is President.

That's pretty much it.


So let's talk about indoctrination for a second.

Do you believe in the concept of Self? How about God? If you believe in either of those things, than it is the consciousness which wells up within you which has been duped.

The acts of our governments are as pointless and meaningless in the grand scheme of things, that you'd have to be obsessed to pay any real attention to them.

reply to post by libertytoall


Granted the tunes are good...

But how can a song which exhorts belief in Jesus and sin be revolutionary?

Humans been spittin that crap for over 2000 years... that's NOT revolutionary....


Nothing that is revolutionary will perpetuate anything which has been going on for the last 2000 years.

Here's a rhyme for ya....

*Reality got no chance ya see
Cuz I done root kit that G-O-D
Found that Source of Divinity
In a Seg Fault of my memory
Genetically
Phonetically
I AM GOD, Not technically
But I'm the ONLY ONE IN CHARGE
of my REALITY
Subject and Object-ively


You know what's revolutionary? Taking responsibility for EVERYTHING that happens to you....

Become the authority the social dynamics condition you to believe is outside of you...

You blame someone or something else? You ain't revolutionary... you the same as everyone else...

[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
You really don't get it do you?

As much as you believe that I am indoctrinated, (which you have no idea), I feel that YOU are indoctrinated into hating America.

You hate the fact that Obama is President.

The irony and double standard put forth in these few sentences are quite impressive.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

You know what's revolutionary? Taking responsibility for EVERYTHING that happens to you....

[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

I am pretty sure that is what most people in this thread are talking about doing.

Become the authority the social dynamics condition you to believe is outside of you...

You blame someone or something else? You ain't revolutionary... you the same as everyone else...

You really seem so preoccupied believing yourself and your view to be so deep and profound that you are really quite myopic.



[edit on 2-6-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

You really don't get it do you?

As much as you believe that I am indoctrinated, (which you have no idea), I feel that YOU are indoctrinated into hating America.

You hate the fact that Obama is President.

That's pretty much it.

Wait a second......

Are liberals channeling George Bush now? What the hell?

"You hate A'MERICA! Git that thar terrist on down t' GITMO!!!!!"

I hate that Obama is president. I hate his policies, I hate the fact that he spent more money in 4 months than bush did in 6 years. I hate that people like you defend people like him.

I have a confession to make. I am extremely intolerant. Yes it is true. I hate just about everyone, but the people that piss me off the most, are people like you, self righteous Obama Totem's cheering on the state.

You morons have put an administration into power that is not anti-war, that supports the collusion of corporation and state, that supports currency destruction, and social regulation. Yes, you and your ilk are Nazi's of a different name. Literally, take a peek at the structure of Nazi Germany, You would probably really like it, you'd probably think they had some really great ideas. Actually there is no "probably" about it, if you support Obama's policies you would support Nazi policies, they are the same after all.

As Aristotle said "Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society".

I think the silent majority has tolerated your kind for long enough. My grandfather fought in Europe and earned a bronze star trying to eradicate your ideology from the face of the earth forever. It's a pity they did not succeed, and it's terribly sad that our land was infected by it.

Your Ideology has brought our country to the brink of destruction, we are standing on the knife's edge because of you. More people will die in Iraq and Afghanistan because of you. More Americans will loose everything they have, because of you. Our kids will be debt slaves, because of you. The taxpayers own stock in the worst car company in the world, because of you. We own stock in banks that have more debt than the entire federal budget, because of you.

As if that were not enough There will probably be a civil war, because of you. Americans will probably get tossed in government camps, because of you. There will be bread and soup lines everywhere, because of you. There will be food shortages, because Obama will invoke price controls, you will cheer it on, and people will starve, because of you. The Public Education system will continue to deteriorate, because of you. The deficits will continue to soar, because of you.

And I? I will be proven right about every single thing I say, because of you.

[edit on 2-6-2009 by aravoth]

reply to post by aravoth


Wow. Haha, thank you for putting my thoughts and feelings into words.

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

You know what's revolutionary? Taking responsibility for EVERYTHING that happens to you....

[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

I am pretty sure that is what most people in this thread are talking about doing.

Become the authority the social dynamics condition you to believe is outside of you...

You blame someone or something else? You ain't revolutionary... you the same as everyone else...

You really seem so preoccupied believing yourself and your view to be so deep and profound that you are really quite myopic.



[edit on 2-6-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

Every view which has limitations is by definition myopic.

However, exclaiming that something is revolutionary which exhorts religious ideas which have been around for 2000 years is indicative of someone who doesn't understand the term of Revolutionary.




[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

However, exclaiming that something is revolutionary which exhorts religious ideas which have been around for 2000 years is indicative of someone who doesn't understand the term of Revolutionary.

[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

And it is very irrelevant to this discussion... In case you were not aware this thread is about the erosion of the Constitution and the Republic that has become so rapid and so great that the Russians can see our future in their past.

That being said, what do we as dutiful citizens do about it?

Of course you can continue to nit-pick and argue about completely irrelevant things such as a religious view point...

[edit on 2-6-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

Originally posted by SGTChas
reply to post by Hazelnut

 

... do not count out the Tea Party Movement. Many there understand it is just going through the motions to lay down the moral basis to stand for next step, armed revolution.

One web-based Tea Party group has decided to march on D.C., perhaps as soon as July 4th.

I do not have a link at my fingertips, but will supplement.

(Note To Southern Guardian: This group is NOT affiliated with the GOP or FOX news, so lay off the disinformation. (Are you really that scared of them?)

The Tea Party movment is open rejection of the socialist policies you and your president strive for. It is open rejection of the profligate spending and government intervention into private enterprise.

This has nothing to do with "Bushies," "fringers," or the other vapid, childish names you hide behind as an alternative to open engagement on issues.

Sling your mud on your own threads.)

Deny ignorance.

jw

[edit on 2-6-2009 by jdub297]

Originally posted by SGTChas
the Russians have a better grasp on what is happing in America then most Americans"

No...No they don't.

“True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.”

WTF is this person talking about? Wall street tried to buy Russia's freedoms and souls? By funding Marxists?

Is this the same Russia that is currently run by Ex-KGB turned crime syndicate figures?...Where reporters are arrested or murdered for reporting stories critical of the Gov? Where for the past several years capitalists have been arrested and their wealth confiscated, where critics of the Russian Government are fed Plutonium laced hamburgers?

WTF??? Like I care about propaganda gibberish from Russia....WTF do they know about a free people?

Originally posted by SGTChas
How is it that the Russians seem to have a much better understanding of our resent history than most Americans?

How is it you are buying this crap? I mean I don't expect you to be a history professor, but how about the last 10 years for cripes sake????

The Russian Goivernment is largest criminal organization on the planet right now....

There is no free press..
Another Russian journalist beaten in Moscow Region
New York, March 20, 2009
cpj.org...

RUSSIA
Since 1999, 16 journalists have been murdered in retaliation for reporting on official corruption, unrest in the North Caucasus republics, and organized crime nationwide. All but one case has gone unsolved. ....authorities have failed to obtain convictions in even high-profile killings such as the 2004 murder of Forbes editor Paul Klebnikov and the 2006 slaying of investigative reporter Anna Politkovskaya.
cpj.org...

OH YA...Russia has freedom and capitalism all figured out!

Putin Critic Died Of Radiation Poisoning
Radioactive substance in ex-spy’s body
The former KGB agent dictated a statement in the waning hours of his life, blaming Russian President Vladimir Putin and describing him "as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed." Putin said Friday there was no proof it was a "violent death."

Candidate 'poisoned' in Ukraine
news.bbc.co.uk...

They arrest, beat and murder Journalists, poison and kill political critics and run the government like a criminal organization.

*** I could give a rats ass about what some Russian propagandist has to say about the US. Russia can stuff their opinion of the state of US capitalism where the sun doesn't shine!





[edit on 2-6-2009 by maybereal11]

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

However, exclaiming that something is revolutionary which exhorts religious ideas which have been around for 2000 years is indicative of someone who doesn't understand the term of Revolutionary.

[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

And it is very irrelevant to this discussion... In case you were not aware this thread is about the erosion of the Constitution and the Republic that has become so rapid and so great that the Russians can see our future in their past.

That being said, what do we as dutiful citizens do about it?

Of course you can continue to nit-pick and argue about completely irrelevant things such as a religious view point and share your profound viewpoint about that irrelevant subject as you have been doing...

It's very relevant to a post which had music which was being called revolutionary, which the OP commented on...

So yes, it's very relevant to the topic if you were actually following along. The second piece was that the OP claimed that I was indoctrinated.

My point was that these political ideas which are being touted by the OP and the music which was posted, as revolutionary still are steeped in the same social and religious concepts which have been orbiting our social consciousness for some time.

For the OP to call me indoctrinated whilst he still perpetuates political ideas which in my mind are themselves indoctrinations is in my mind completely ironic.

reply to post by aravoth


Excellent. A star for every post!

Even before the election, and many times since, I have likened the Obama policies to be fascist at heart as far as corporate statism is concerned; and, pushing for a social structure adopted 'pick-and-choose' from socialist and marxist mores (if these have morality at all).

Deny ignorance!

jw

reply to post by jdub297


Jdub how can you question whether or not Marxism has morality at all when the communist manifesto which was written was based on the mechanization of humanity which they saw as a result of industrialization?

Whether you agree with their assertion or not, the fact is that anyone with the slightest bit of understanding of Marx knows that his ideas were completely based on what he, Engles, and many others felt to be a morality superior to the mechanization of society.

As a matter of fact, Marx viewed the the world structure of his time in the EXACT same way as most of the people on ATS view the NWO.

Ironic ain't it?

reply to post by SGTChas
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I have effectively taken my silent stance against what feels like the momentum of a mile & a half long freight train. The general response is that of people wanting to be lead by some savior or a bad ass with big brass balls. I implore you to reveal what YOU have done personally to to gain further insight into the matters at hand. First, we must look at the overall general situation of how we are being duped to espouse materialism and wealth as indicators of social standing and progress. Capitalism with parameters is not to blame. The capitalists with the means to destroy those parameters are.

One might fail to see the intimate relationship between government and industry. This is catastrophic and unfortunate. When opening a business (especially in California) it is akin to joining a dysfunctional mafia where 45% of your profits goes to a drunken, coked up, sex addicted, spend hound boss who creates and lobbies for bills to become laws that suffocate and eventually kill off small businesses. Those that believe in the outdated mantras of working your fingers to the bone to overcome these difficulties find themselves exhausted and confused because they have failed to listen to us "crackpots" who by now have come to the realization that the whole system of enterprise has been engineered to assimilate the laws of entropy in a world where nothing is gained and nothing is lost.

We are merely vehicles, if you will, of this system helping to transfer the wealth up the ladder never truly attaining anything tangible for our kin. Human nature is a reliable medium for predicting these outcomes. As people become smarter and more aware, so to must the powers that be to keep the masses ignorant. Ever wonder why tennis is scored the way it is? Back in the day the peasants took to this game which pissed off the capitalists, so they adopted a confusing way of keeping score. Now for the scary disturbing stuff. We are all potential addicts of something, drugs, alcohol ( most common), sex, smokes, working out, overeating, you name it, it's there.

But the most pleasurable addiction without the negative consequences (to that person) is that of three distinct yet inseparable items: Power, Influence, and Voyeurism. If you don't agree with me, look at how powerless you have become. Look at how many angles of attack media and advertising are infiltrating our lives. Finally the most disgusting of them all is the constant surveillance on us all. Have you ever been inside of a security
room of a dept. store or museum? Have you ever had the joy of spying on people when they didn't even know it? With the manipulation of a joystick you can zoom in, move the camera around and view multiple monitors. Imagine this on a GRAND SCALE!

The sad thing is we are reacting to the symptoms as they present themselves. There is a failure to understand that it is too late. You need to treat the PROBLEM (or eradicate it) not the symptom. Our three branches of government set up to circumvent our current situations have failed miserably. I no longer bear the guilt. I have served my country )Marine Corps). I no longer will be up at 5 A.M. to bust my balls thru traffic and idiots among me at work. I no longer own credit cards or debit cards- they siphon cash from little retailers with every swipe. I no longer have a bank account- why oh why would i want to keep their balance sheets afloat & condone them lending MY money gaining $100 for every dollar deposited? I trade services and goods when I can. We NEED to stop working all together to derail this runaway train as we have no representation to relieve us from the injustices fueled by the sweat of our brow and the blood of our forefathers. AMERICA IS CLINICALLY DEAD. Lets unphuc this catastrophe before irreversible biological death sets in. We do not have much time.

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

However, exclaiming that something is revolutionary which exhorts religious ideas which have been around for 2000 years is indicative of someone who doesn't understand the term of Revolutionary.

[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

And it is very irrelevant to this discussion... In case you were not aware this thread is about the erosion of the Constitution and the Republic that has become so rapid and so great that the Russians can see our future in their past.

That being said, what do we as dutiful citizens do about it?

Of course you can continue to nit-pick and argue about completely irrelevant things such as a religious view point...

We as dutiful citizens realize that the concept of a constitution and republic are themselves part of the issue...

We cannot look to these ideals to save us, or to anything outside of us as the problem. We can only look inward and change the inside. Only then will the tools which we have set up serve us as opposed to enslaving us.

Keep in mind I'm not saying that the constitution is the problem, I'm saying that it is a tool which can be used for or against humanity... the issue is how humanity wields it.

You cannot rally around a tool and expect it to save you... you have to rally around the authority that exists in yourself and realize that there is NO authority that exists outside of you.




[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

reply to post by aravoth


avaroth, ur insightful and eerily nonfictional reply to that panty waist obama lover almost made me shed a tear. The only reason why i didn't is cuz I'm a marine. Not currently active nevertheless still a marine. When the SHTF I would be honored to have ur back when we have to patrol the streets of amerika (if it gets that far) in a militia of our own making to get it back to America. I would gladly fight with you any given day of the week & twice on any given day of the week. I'm so PHUKIN pissed right now I could go berzerk! I'm not a man of hope but i really do hope people will wake up.

well if a war needs starting you need to find out who your foe is first...and since these foe's are enemies from within... the veterans have a fine line to walk. until the first shot is fired and the first innocent victim lay in waste. unfortunately ... the case for enemies from within is just the tip of the ice berg... we have the Media participating... corporate America participating.... it appears... the only ones not participating are the victims of the Coup De Ta.... unfortunately, veterans will hold their ground and any American who has taken the oath will not let freedom die.

If you yanks are truly terrified about your beloved America going to hell in a handcart us Brits would be only too pleased to retake control. . ! Then you'd really understand what the term,Up Sh*t Creek Without A Paddle,is all about. Believe me,long before America descends into chaos the UK will have a long bloody revolution which will make the American revolution look like a school ground scrap. As far as I'm concerned we're all in the brown stuff, not just you yanks. I really do believe we are entering the End Game period.

reply to post by Darth Lumina

We must never downplay the power of ignorance! Do not ignore the ignorant, keep on educating them. Ignorant people are easily convinced. They are ignorant because they have done nothing to enrich their gray matter, absolutely nothing. These are fresh souls just waiting to be converted, fresh virgin eyes who have not seen the light. Approach them softly because photophobia will turn them off and they'll retreat back into their caves of darkness & stupidity. I would bet my life that's what the mayors, senators, governors, and all elements of our power structure depend upon... the sheer ignorance of their constituents. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE NUMEROUS AND THEY MATTER!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM INTELLIGENT THOUGHT PROVOKING REBELLIOUS PEOPLE LIKE US WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO VOTES. IGNORANT PEOPLE ARE IN FACT MORE VALUABLE TO THEM BECAUSE THEIR APATHY IN NUMBERS OVERRULES OUR GOOD COMMON SENSE AND JUDGEMENT (a rarity in the masses). So in retrospect, the ignorant remains hushed and complacent without any input into the performance of our "trusted servants". Thus creating a system without change because the nil voices of the ignorant are conveniently misinterpreted as pats on the back atta boy tiger gestures.

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

However, exclaiming that something is revolutionary which exhorts religious ideas which have been around for 2000 years is indicative of someone who doesn't understand the term of Revolutionary.

[edit on 2-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

And it is very irrelevant to this discussion... In case you were not aware this thread is about the erosion of the Constitution and the Republic that has become so rapid and so great that the Russians can see our future in their past.

That being said, what do we as dutiful citizens do about it?

Of course you can continue to nit-pick and argue about completely irrelevant things such as a religious view point...

[edit on 2-6-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

AA, I've said it elsewhere... This is a 3M attack. Misdirect, Minimize, Marginalize. It has become SOP for those who desperately want to argue against a valid point, but who have no valid or logical argument to counter it with.

Watch for it around the boards, as it is becoming more prevalent the further we slide into this morass. It differs from pointing out an obvious non-sequitur in that the person launching the 3M attack desperately tries to make people think he IS making a point, and fails miserably when the attack is recognized and he is called out on it.

Like you did.

And like I've done with the same individual.

As used to be a common saying, "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS"

nenothtu out