The End of America, “Gone Without a Whimper”, page 3

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reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 04:35 PM by getreadyalready

reply to post by cbianchi513

I hadn't seen the aspect you mention, but you are completely correct. I think the strongest male figure on television is Hank Hill, LOL!

Interesting. Anyone who's done any hiring over the past decade has seen the decline in the abilities to fill out a basic employment form.

This is true also. I see the unemployment numbers, but at the same time I see people begging for intelligent, dependable help! The cash registers at McDonald's are now pictograms. They don't bother with words!

Sarge,

I met my best friend in 2001 when we both moved to Florida. I happened to move in two doors over from him about a week after he did. I have not had many close friends over the years, but he has been different. I have been lucky enough to meet his family and love them as well. He grew up in Armenia, and his father was the Minister of Naturalization when the USSR fell apart. I share this because it has been a huge eye-opening experience. Sure the Russian papers still have propaganda, but at least it is a different side of the propaganda than we are used to.

This Armenian family is extremely proud of their heritage, their country, and their history. They do have a unique perspective on our current situation. They lived through Communism, and the surprising fall of their great Union. When the USSR fell, I was in highschool, but I remember thinking even then, that if it happened to them, it could happen to us!

The revolution is coming......We strive to make it a peaceful one, we strive to make it happen before the Socialist agenda takes hold, we strive to protect our Country, but if that fails, we must stand by our ideals and protect our liberties!

I totally agree with your headline, except I did hear a lot of whimpering!

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 05:06 PM by Paveway27

We need someone to rise and just destroy this government, and replace it with one that is good and correct. I want this to happen so badly, someone like "V" to come and show America whats is wrong with itself and force change. Its just the problem with this is, if that one person who comes and changes everything, and promises good things to come, well wont he be the Anti-Christ, which just brings a whole mess of stuff at that point that no one can really fix. Its a catch-22 in my oponion. But we relly need to stand for what our forefathers gave us when they got away from the Brits, we have to go back to the fundmentals, remake our education systems, and seriously fix the govt. Its falling apart right in front of our eyes and were all standing there eating burgers,listening to Ipods, and talking about American Idol, instead of saying "Hey whys the govt. falling apart? And why is no one doing anything." Like the band Flobots says, "We need to Rise"

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 05:15 PM by xxpigxx

reply to post by Paveway27

Something will be done when the time is right.

The best we can do is prepare.

It will be ugly, but what war isn't?

The Constitution, our country will live on, as shown to George Washington . . . and it will not be because people stood by idly as this nation is stripped.

The people will wake up, when it is absolutely necessary. For now, they will sleep, while the patriots prepare.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 05:24 PM by randyvs

reply to post by SGTChas

tea party -unarmed this time ,where do i join? (for the next time).

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 05:40 PM by Paveway27

Originally posted by xxpigxx
reply to post by Paveway27

Something will be done when the time is right.

The best we can do is prepare.

It will be ugly, but what war isn't?

The Constitution, our country will live on, as shown to George Washington . . . and it will not be because people stood by idly as this nation is stripped.

The people will wake up, when it is absolutely necessary. For now, they will sleep, while the patriots prepare.

We will prepare and sharpen our blades as the other sleep, we need to protect them, no matter how blind they are. Its our duty to protect the people. Even if they think we are crazy, the just dont understand. I say we start our own movement and get the ball rolling now. The longer we wait the harder and more battles will be required for change.

[edit on 1-6-2009 by Paveway27]

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 05:49 PM by Question

reply to post by SGTChas

Sarge, I have always found your posts insightful and patriotic and have labeled you as friend because of the many similarities you and I share when it comes to our constitutional/birth rights.

That being said, I will tell you something that my father shared with me last week when we got into this same discussion (he and I both believed that physical conflict WILL come to the U.S. by the way) and that is "Do you honestly believe that complaining (marching to Washington with signs) is really going to do it?" He was of course being facetious. They don't care and they won't listen to us even if we ALL march to Washington, if anything, they'll just call their buddies from the UN and have UN troops take care of us.

The only way we see us taking this country back is the only way everyone is trying to avoid. Civil dissent, physical, even violent retaliation. Right now we have nothing but traitors running our country, and no, this isn't JUST Obama, this is also all the senators and representatives that chose to support their own special interests, instead of representing their people. This is akin to TREASON!

Now, we can try and do it the "easy way" which is, civil dissent and physically removing everyone in power responsible, then put them in prison, so as to not "hurt the feelings" of the pacifists. We can do it the "hard way" which is what I believe it will come to anyway, and simply remove these people from power and from this planet period, and have it serve as a lesson to any other would be dictators even thinking of trying it again. Or we can do it the "lazy man's way" which is to complain and pray that maybe some day our representatives will grow a heart (fat cahnce) or perhaps the "procrastinators way" in which case you simply don't do anything.

note: I am in no way calling you lazy Sarge, I'm simply stating that I honestly don't think that protesting will do anything anymore and we honestly have to start looking at other options. Even those we don't like. Yes, we're gonna be called traitors and terrorists, yes, we're gonna have to go up against a corrupt "law" system that I'm sure even its judges won't prosecute the leaders responsible for this and chances are we'll have to do a complete overhaul and replace all the leaders and put in place REAL representatives of the people, as well as returning power to the individual states (as it should be) yes chances are people like us would probably be hanged in a public square, ridiculed before we see any real change happen. But WHY should that stop us from doing what we know is right? Do we not owe it to our children to give them a country truly free? a country were they don't have to worry about the government spying on absolutely EVERYTHING that they do, regardless of whether they are innocent?

Remember "The tree of liberty must be refreshed every hundred years with the blood of the patriots and tyrants". Sarge, you and I both know the significance, and the truthfulness of this quote. There will be a time were you and I simply CAN'T ignore the problem any longer.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 05:56 PM by nenothtu

On the numbers issue - there are men in the shadows, even as we speak, men in the shadows who have quietly been preparing over time, men who at times seem to have been bred , born, and trained by life itself, for just such an occaision. Men who TPTB have not even thought to keep an eye on, because they've not done anything to put themselves on the radar. They've not even raised a voice in defiance. They prepare, quietly. They don't advertise. They don't make themselves known on the internet. They prepare. Continually.

'They' might be a janitor, a groundskeeper, an executive. They might be anybody. Or nobody. And 'they' thanks to their continual preparation, stand ready. They are always watchful, and never mouthy.

When the time comes, they will be at the front, eyes forward, locked and loaded. There are more of them than you can conceive of.

I realize that the doomsayers, the 'woe is me' crowd, the 'we're all gonna die' crowd, the 'you can't win' crowd will try to shoot me down in flames, never realizing that I may just know something they don't. Not because it's any sort of 'secret' knowledge, but because I've been out there among them, keeping my finger on the pulse of the lowly masses. Flame away, in the end we'll see who was right.

And when the evil day comes, there are those around who have seen the elephant, who know how to employ the 'force multiplication' concept, and who have a visceral understanding of guerrilla warfare. They can lead, and do it very well. That's what Uncle Sugar trained them for, to take disjointed masses of pissed off people, and focus their ire where it will do the most good. Or harm, if you prefer, and are on the other side of the equation.

Those who declare that 'you just can't win against tanks and bombs and missiles' should go back into their blissful slumbers. They place far too much confidence in technology.

And not nearly enough on pissed-off, rescourceful, DEDICATED men.

They ignore the human factor. They should go back to their play stations, and leave the thinking to men more suited.

nenothtu out

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:06 PM by nenothtu

Originally posted by Paveway27

We will prepare and sharpen our blades as the other sleep, we need to protect them, no matter how blind they are. Its our duty to protect the people. Even if they think we are crazy, the just dont understand. I say we start our own movement and get the ball rolling now. The longer we wait the harder and more battles will be required for change.

[edit on 1-6-2009 by Paveway27]

Jumping the gun will only get you shot. You have to maneuver, force the aggressor's hand, learn your enemy, as much as time permits. Any action will necessarily be defensive in nature at the first. It HAS to be a reaction of force meeting the force initiated by the opposition.

Any other course of action that 'gets the ball rolling' NOW, will play into the opposition's hands, allow them to solidify the impression of 'patriots are TERRORISTS' in the minds of the very People patriots are sworn to defend. That will have the effect of 'draining the sea' of the people in which a guerrilla movement MUST swim. All the resources of the People that the patriots MUST have to emerge victorious, the support and intelligence functions, would default to TPTB.

Not a good way to kick off a war.

nenothtu out

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:24 PM by Question

reply to post by nenothtu

Won't disagree with you there, public support would be better off in our hands than in the govt's but how long do you think this would take? Do you think it possible that it might also play against us if we wait too long? Lets be honest with each other here Nenothu, there are too many people NOW that barely know their rights, and think that the only laws that apply, are those of the govt. Somehow they deluded themselves into thinking that "It's not official unless the govt. says it is" That being the case, if we end up waiting too long, more and more of these brainwashed idiots are going to permeate, making the task more difficult. So the question also has to be "If we wait too long, won't we also stand a chance to lose?"

I agree though, know your enemy before you strike, as you said, force their hand, but this can't be done unless something is done. Perhaps behind the scenes something can be done to force their hand out in the public view, to show the people who the enemy really is.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:30 PM by nenothtu

reply to post by Question

As near as I can tell, things are in the consolidation phase right now. From keeping an ear to the ground, mostly second-hand knowledge, I've gathered that intel on targets is being gathered, and HAS BEEN being gathered for several years now. Yes. there are people with actual folders full of intelligence on traitorous types.

For maybe the last year or so, training and leadership cadre have been infiltrating into place from what I hear. Organization shouldn't be far behind.

I was told maybe 10 years ago that there are people with armaments "stockpiled", the man claimed it was enough to outfit entire armies, and that was in one state alone, 2 or 3 states over from where he lived. I didn't ask for any specifics into preparations in his own state. Really, I kinda scoffed at the notion, until I got concrete evidence. A few years ago, in the central part of the state that he told me about, an entire SCHOOL BUS, loaded with all manner of nasty devices, was dug up by a police force. I had first-hand knowledge of that event, and for some reason it never even made the local papers.

The 'stuff' just disappeared again, and I never asked where to. Some things are better not known. When I told my original informant about it, he just laughed and said "only ONE bus? There's a LOT more where that came from!" and I left it at that.

Yeah, 'Stuff' is already being done.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:31 PM by dooper

reply to post by Question

Question, don't you worry about folks not knowing when to defend themselves.

They'll know.

One other variable not many have noted or have mentioned.

There are Patriots in the inner circles of government.

That thing isn't as airtight as one might think.

Brutus was part of the inner circle.

And the Ides of March didn't go well for some as planned.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:38 PM by The Killah29

reply to post by Hazelnut

What about the 'Truth Party'?

We all no the truth, we will spread it around.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:40 PM by Question

reply to post by dooper

I pray that you're right, I can't stand the thought of what our country will be if the govt. is allowed to continue being rogue. I have honestly had to have second thoughts about wanting to have a family because I think it selfish to let them inherit the mess we have now. But if a resistance is being organized by true patriots, that gives me some measure of hope.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:42 PM by nenothtu

reply to post by Question

True enough, but as has been recently seen, when the opposition tips it's hand, ever more of those 'asleep' wake up and say "wha...? When did THAT happen? And more importantly, HOW?" and they begin to watch, so as not to get fooled again.

Education of the salvageable is the key, but the education itself bears an element of risk. That's why a small but growing number are all that's involved in it. Growing, because more 'salvageables' are being identified.

Note that I said 'the salvageable'. Not everyone is. There are those that will insist on being deaf, dumb, and blind right up to the breaking point, and even beyond. There always are, and it always works to their detriment.

Plan, prepare, gather intel, but don't forget to educate wherever possible.

All of that makes the job so much easier in the long run.

nenothtu out

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:53 PM by Question

reply to post by nenothtu

I sent you a couple of U2U's you might want to take a look at when you have the time.

second line.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 06:54 PM by mikerussellus

reply to post by SGTChas

I saw this on the Drudge Report, you beat me to it. And glad you did, well thought out and articulate.
I don't mean to sound defeatist but my wife and I are already making plans.
Is it too late?
We think so.
Would love to hear solutions (another thread p'raps?) on how to stop this nose dive.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 08:12 PM by xxpigxx

reply to post by mikerussellus

I believe that there is no way to stop it. We have passed the point of no return. Our country has crested the big hill on this roller coaster.

Prepare yourselves. build up supplies, so you will be able to hang on through all the twists and turns that this ride will take us through.

But never forget what lies at the end. Either we will live free, or we will die trying.

[edit on 1/6/2009 by xxpigxx]

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 08:21 PM by akoola111

How ironic that PRAVDA is writing about the death of capitalism in america and her swift transformation into a socialist state. PRAVDA of course means truth. I grew up in USSR and i read pravda at the time there. Whats funny is that cnn fox msnbc all the major news papers in usa now sound just like pravda did during communism in russia. Same retoric state propaganda. Another funny thing is in russia right now they write and talk about the NWO and Iluminaty bankers and what they did to russia in the main steam news and talk shows its not considered alternative topics. Europe is like that too. Here in good ole usa we are considered conspiracy theorists and nut jobs. Thats the difference between usa and the rest of the world. Of course rest of the world has had a long history and people outside of united states are more clever i guess is the word. Less sheeple more people.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 08:29 PM by cbianchi513

reply to post by akoola111

Pravda indeed means truth, and akula is "shark", nyet? A fitting name, for you've taken quite a bite into this one!

The reason that the masses are not awake in the US is simple: Complete and utter control of the MSM. We are subtly (not so subtle at times) spoon fed EXACTLY what the money masters intend us to know.

Now turning to "alternative" news sources can be (not so) loosely construed as the act of an enemy of the state!

Sound familiar at all? It should sound a lot like the Pravda of the cold war.

Nice analysis, and indeed validation for the doubters in the crowd.

reply posted on 1-6-2009 @ 08:50 PM by SGTChas

On the psychology of the wolf; circling the intended pray.

Question, this response is not only to you, but to all others who hold worries such as yours; counting protest as useless at this juncture. Please forbear a moment’s reflection on reasoned argument, that you might clearly understand the ‘dance’ we are at the moment locked in.

Wolves rarely coordinate attacks, tracking and circling their prey until the moment the prey is distracted. At the moment of attack, wolves generally do not kill with the first strike, but rather allow the victim of their attack to bleed to death. This conservation of effort not only affords less opportunity for the wounded prey to ‘get lucky’, but also serves to allow the rest of the pack to close in and preserve the kill from other predators.

Question, the ‘wolf’ has struck us and is allowing us to ‘bleed out’; this is a calculated move to protect the ‘kill’ from other predators (China & Russia). In its calculation, the ‘wolf’ (of TPTB) is circling with occasional strikes at our hunches to keep us moving in circles as we bleed. The problem with the attack as has been carried out is that the first strike was so massive in its approach as to awaken the prey, who though helpless to stop it, had time to see from WHERE the attack was really coming.

Perhaps too terrible in the past to admit without having seen the evidence, this time the strike was telegraphed and despite massive propaganda, most Americans were not buying the TPTB rationale for TARP 1. With each continuing disregard of the majority of the people’s displeasure at continued corporate welfare, both the Republicans and Democrats showed their true colors, and both parties were wearing red.

With each passing day more American’s begin to speak openly of what before was a subject not even entertained in jokes; open talk of Revolution has begun to circulate in circles once given to talks of yesterday’s golf scores. Men with thousand dollar suits are spending their lunch hour on gun ranges, while mom’s with kid packed SUV’s are seen at gun stores buying assault weapons and ammo; the people awake.

What is needed now is just a few more large peaceful protest with the resultant media bias openly displayed for the majority of the public to understand how thoroughly they have been manipulated; once all deceptive media devices are exposed with the duplicity of the political parties also clear the stage will be set. WE MUST NOT DUPLICATE the mistakes of our enemies; to move too quickly now would be to spell our doom, but all is ALMOST ready. Patience, just a few more months…