Originally posted by SGTChas
This continuing argument of the dependency of the American people on the conveniences of modern society sound as almost a whining plea to remember “how we ate onions and leeks and flesh from the flesh pots to the full BACK IN EGYPT”; the cry of slaves demanding the stability and the normalcy of servitude. Perhaps the wishful thinking of those too comfortable with the status quo, even if it means chains and bondage?

While some might be comfortable with the ever encroaching progressive nanny state, perhaps comforted with delusions of freedom and actually believing in our political system, this old soldier and a growing majority of Americans are not and we still remember what the Second Amendment is really for.

No wishful thinking here friend. But it needs to be looked at squarely as a mater of incorporation into any responsible long term evaluation of conditions that would be present during a drawn out unrest or flat out war. If bringing it up creates uneasiness for some then I would question the realistic grounding of their entire philosophy and their historical perspective of such conditions present in other conflicts. I personally dont care what others do just so they get out of the way when the stuff hits the fan.

Even during the Revolutionary War there were Tory militias.

When I got out of the service in the 80's I would gear up in light LURP gear and traverse the country side to stay sharp. Some that knew I was doing this were very uncomfortable with it. I moved further out to an isolated area were myself and a few others did a lot of shooting and whatnot. Well we were visited by the law a few times. Locals didn't like it made up stories about drunken shooting, shooting irresponsibly, growing pot to fund a militia, game warden was called to check deer hunting irregularities, we were even threatened by locals as well as the law. None of these accusations were true, but we saw ourselves as patriots staying sharp ect but the locals everywhere had bought into the media lies about militia groups. We were only several men.

I even got a police scanner. One evening were we shooting and sure enough a car was dispatched and the dispatcher warned the officer to be careful and of some weapons we had naming calibers and types. They could have only gotten that info from someone close to us that knew what we used. We were on our own property and were not breaking the law. Once a blow horn blasted through the woods naming us by name and demanding that we put down weapons and come out to the road. Which we did and we given a sobriety test and warned that if we had been drinking we would have went to jail.

Anyway theres what to expect form your onion and garlic loving masses. They are not going to pick up the flag and head out to battle with anyone. At least not in a lot of places. It is a reality that must be factored into any type of capacity to operate under conditions. People are going to blame you and believe the powers that be that you are the reason for their discomfort. Its not a whining plea my friend. I can live off the land but am fully aware that most people in many places will be off the hook in about a week! When they cant get gas, cigarettes, food at Berger King, they are going to be shooting at you.

Many people in rural areas cant even draw water any more! What are farmers going to do when their livestock gets harvested for them? Whats going to happen when authorities arrest non-combatants for supporting? What are you going to do when you have wounded dieing from stupid wounds and worse non combatants lose loved ones for any number of reasons and blame you for it? Its not going to be like the Younger Gang getting fresh mounts in every little town along the way or the Outlaw Josey Wells these days. No the masses are conditioned and addicted and tied to the many luxuries this modern era offers and its going to be a real problem that will be exploited if need be.

Originally posted by dooper
Obama is unlike any President before him.

We still know nothing about him. We can verify - nothing.

We don't know how he paid for his expensive education, we don't have any idea how he suddenly came into his upscale lifestyle without any visible means of support.

We find him strange because he did not spend his formative years as an American, and culturally, he isn't American.

He's never had military experience and doesn't understand the basics.

He is always, ALWAYS blaming others.

His previous life was spent with radicals, political and political, and thus his inability to denounce radicals.

He has embraced a "blame America" stance, counterproductive, and this is the first time in history we are apologizing for helping others in the best ways we can.

He wants to change America to a European style of political core and socialist values.

He is killing the capitalist goose that's been laying the golden eggs since our founding.

He's resorting to extortion in compelling our banks, financial institutions, our automobile industry, and other corporations.

He's given a free pass by our media because they believe him to be omnipotent and omniscient.

He wants to silence critics.

He wants to control rather than to lead and govern.

One more term, and sites such as ATS will likely be shut down in the US and I'll be in a concentration and re-education camp as you'll likely have your way on what constitutes a "terrorist."

Combat veterans.

This won't go on another two years. It can't.

When you look at many Asian and African nations where the leaders are bleeding the country dry. In North Korea, Zimbabwe, elsewhere, millions are literally dying in the streets.

Your first question is: why do the people put up with it? Why don't they storm the palace?

Either there are brutal regimes that intimidate or eliminate opposition. More insidious is when there is a cult of personality with millions attributing some messianic qualities to a leader who exploits them.

I saw this in the 2008 nominations and election as Obama was positioned as the Golden Boy who would deliver a new America.

I genuinely don't know what he's about still. And no one on the planet gets more coverage of their every word and deed.

He is set to be personally secure financially for the rest of his life. Not even clear is whether he thinks the collapse of America would be a good thing or not. He has little to lose himself, and for all we know may have his own agenda for how he will be recorded in the history books.

Very scary.


Mike