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Originally posted by littlebunny
With all due respect, there were several people back in the day, just before our founding fathers signed our last declaration of independence, who argued the same as you. Look at all that is good, the King has given us so much…
This thread and this movement is not ignoring all the stuff that is still good about this nation. Rather, it is rejecting all the stuff our federal government has done to lessen or destroy our Constitution. While at the same time demanding the Federal Government stop trying to destroy our Constitution even further and to give the States and the People our rights back.
People are not denying all that is still good about this country. Instead we are rejecting outright the laws, rulings, and agencies that have destroyed our rights and have over stepped their authority. We are demanding it stops… and if not there will be a price that will need to be paid. To what level has yet to be fully determined. However time for a decision/showdown is quickly approaching!
I am just thankful our founding fathers decided not to focus on all that was good with their lives, and instead decided to fight against all that was wrong with their masters who abused their freedoms. That is the same place we find ourselves, the question will soon need to be answered, do we have the same resolve... or will the voices that were ignored last time come full circle? Will those old rejected voices be listened to this time, while we all sit back and watch this entire nation and the people therein directed towards complete federal governmental slavery. Or will we do exactly as our founding fathers and focus on what has been taken away and do all we can to remain free?
--Charles Marcello
Originally posted by miragezero
I can understand where you are coming from certainly. I have been down this road myself if you can believe that and ultimately have rejected the cry that the federal government is an enemy when it isn't. Count how many times the fed actually intrudes into your life... it is pretty damned minimal. We do not live in 1776. Our population is not 2.5 million people as it was then. And needless to say governing 300 million people with 2009 crime, 2009 disease, 2009 infrastructure, and 2009 global conflict is not the easiest thing to do. The governments influence has ultimately in my opinion been a beneficial influence on the world regardless of its current lack of popularity. I can give you a million reasons, but at the very least you can see that it is more complicated by hundreds of orders of magnitude than 1776. I have said before that the government has done bad things and as with anything human it has its corrupt elements, but ultimately it is not out to get you or your freedom.
Originally posted by miragezero
reply to post by nenothtu
Nevermind.
Whatever guys. Don't do anything stupid.
Quitting a job is not really the best thing to do for improving your conditions, btw, and don't assume anything about people on the net (including me).
PS- The federal government and its workers are also citizens and the vast majority of them good and decent ones at that.
[edit on 7-6-2009 by miragezero]
Originally posted by miragezero
reply to post by nenothtu
Nevermind.
Whatever guys. Don't do anything stupid.
Quitting a job is not really the best thing to do for improving your conditions, btw, and don't assume anything about people on the net (including me).
PS- The federal government and its workers are also citizens and the vast majority of them good and decent ones at that.
[edit on 7-6-2009 by miragezero]
Originally posted by Kombatt98
Russia has had experience with the horrible trotskyite communism , which was funded by wall street and led 25 million deaths from 1917-1922 . it was Stalin who overthrow trotskyite communism and replaced it with state capitalism combined with various elements of socialism(stalin is regarded as a hero in Russia as he stood in defiance to the NWO and severely damaged their plans, so we have this holodomer propaganda which was created by NWO to smear Stalin ) .
Russia is warning you that USA is going to be destroyed by trotskyite communism ,while Russia saved itself from this monster , due to moral values and stalinist-tsarist bureaucracy, USA will not be able to save itslef from this monster as its people have no moral values and society is about to collapse
what do you think SGTchaos?
Stalin's new status in Russia
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"Stalin made Russia a superpower and was one of the founders of the coalition against Hitler in World War II," says Sergei Malinkovich, leader of the St Petersburg Communist Party.
"In all opinion polls he comes out on top as the most popular figure. Nobody else comes close. So for his service to this country we can forgive his mistakes."
Not only is Mr Malinkovich prepared to forgive Stalin's "mistakes", he also wants the man who is regarded as one of the most bloodthirsty tyrants of the 20th Century to be made a saint.
As I was interviewing him, he held a small neatly framed icon of Stalin's face.
Last month an Orthodox priest also displayed an icon of Stalin in his church near St Petersburg.
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But now there is a much broader campaign to rehabilitate Stalin and it seems to be coming from the highest levels of government.
Archives seized
The primary evidence comes in the form of a new manual for history teachers in the country's schools, which says Stalin acted "entirely rationally".
"[The initiative] came from the very top," says the editor of the manual, historian Alexander Danilov.
"I believe it was the idea of former president, now prime minister, Vladimir Putin.
"It fits completely with the political course we have had for the last eight years, which is dedicated to the unity of society."
But the campaign goes further than reinterpreting history for schoolchildren. It is also physical.
Earlier this month, riot police raided the St Petersburg office of one of Russias best-known human rights organisations, Memorial.
Claiming a possible link with an extremist article published in a local newspaper, the police took away 12 computer hard-drives containing the entire digital archive of the atrocities committed under Stalin.
Memorial's St Petersburg office specialises in researching the crimes committed by the Soviet regime.
"It's a huge blow to our organisation," says Irina Flige, the office director.
"This was 20 years work. Wed been making a universally accessible database with hundreds of thousands of names.
"Maybe this was a warning to scare us?"
Irina Flige believes they were targeted because they are now on the wrong side of a new ideological divide.
New nationalism
The new ideology is "Putinism" which, she says, has evolved over the past two years and is based on a strident form of nationalism.
It seems Russians are to be proud of their history, not ashamed, and so those investigating and cataloguing the atrocities of the past are no longer welcome.
"The official line now is that Stalin and the Soviet regime were successful in creating a great country," says Irina Flige.
"And if the terror of Stalin is justified, then the government today can do what it wants to achieve its aims."
The outrage at what has happened to the Memorial archive spreads beyond Russia's borders.
The British historian Orlando Figes worked with Memorial when he was researching his latest book The Whisperers: Private Lives in Stalin's Russia.
"By conservative estimates 25 million people were repressed in the Soviet Union (under Stalin) between 1928 and 1953," he says.
"That means people executed, arrested and sent to prison camps or turned into slave labourers or deported.
"Virtually every family was affected by repression."
"What we have now [in Russia] effectively is the KGB in power," he adds.
"Opposition forces and awkward historians reminding the Russian population of what the KGB did 50 years ago is inconvenient for these people."
So it seems whoever is voted the country's greatest citizen on Sunday, it is Joseph Stalin who is the biggest winner this year as he is rehabilitated in Russia's brave new world.
Originally posted by James Random
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The loss of three trillion dollars in some database triggers a cataclysmic financial reaction that brings us to...well, where we are currently. People's concerns globally are tied to America in one way or another, from the level of trading with the americans to simply having your business hosted on an American server despite living on the other side of the world.
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Originally posted by Logarock
This is very comical if it were big time wrestling or something. Talk about a man full of sh*t.