The End of America, “Gone Without a Whimper”

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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
. . . You have single handedly proven that you don't have the ability to engage in any discussion with a level of maturity above throwing feces. . . .


What discussion? You have yet to put up any sort of defense to your position? The excrement is soon to be hitting the revolving blades . . . pieces are coming together, and you are still in denial.



What defense? What are you even saying?

Here is what happened

1. A poster mentions that since he stopped watching television that he has a deeper sense of his surroundings and actually feels better
2. I agree with said statement, adding that this is typically what is referred to as Mindfulness, and that the experience truly can be a good one
3. This other poster jumps on me saying "Do you even read this guys post? How can you claim to understand what he said... you are a typical progressive... blah blah blah... all venom

Now please explain what position I am supposed to be defending? I simply agreed with a poster ... that's it.. nothing else...

What a bunch of socially inept people this NWO forum has... I'm outta here...

UPDATE: YOU are now on the Ignore list too... ahhh.. serenity....


[edit on 3-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]




posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

UPDATE: YOU are now on the Ignore list too... ahhh.. serenity....

[edit on 3-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]


Could you please ignore me too?

Retreat IS the only viable option when you find yourself occupying an untenable position.

In layman's terms, that means "He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day."

You have a nice day now, y'hear?

nenothtu out



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 01:03 AM
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Hey! You have not answered me directly, can I pray that means you've ignored me too? Petulant whining children always did chap my ***. Good riddance you sadly mistaken and indoctrinated young surf.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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Hi guys, whats up?
I see we're all expanding our knowledge base nicely here.
These posts may be proof of why your title is correct, Sarge.
The refusal to get along is high on the list.
Gone without a whimper but not an argument.
This indifference to others and their point of view is dangerous. IMO
No one man(or woman) has all the right answers anyway.
It doesn't work that way.
As much as I hate to admit it here for fear of reprisal,
I am friends with most all of you on here and I just dont think
we need to turn these threads into anything personal.
I'm just sayin', it gets old after awhile.
Where are the mods anyway?
Can we stick to the topic and not argue anymore? Please?
I think it is worthwhile. If we cant get along here, we got bigger
problems and we probably wont have much better luck out there either,
trying to save the republic and all. Thank you all for the consideration.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Your right of course, but this one’s accusing me of being a racist and hating my nation really chapped my butt. No excuse for a lack of grace though, sorry.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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Wow, thanks for that apology, but really no need.
I understand, but sticks and stones.....
We are understandably upset and apprehensive.
We all cherish our way of life frankly and the people in it.
It terrifies us to see these negative changes coming.
We are naturally scared and thus it requires extra patience
when dealing with others. IT is a trying time now.
Everyone can learn and grow from someone else if its allowed.

P.S. I had to leave my own thread because I started to want to argue!
Forgot to say, thanks SGTChas and everyone.




[edit on 4-6-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 04:55 AM
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and how do you people suggest we revolt?

we'll all just rise up and be crushed, unless we have a real plan

and we dont.

and theres no more doubt about it
we need to do something, soon. its already way out of our control.

im down to do anythin to take my country back.
i just dont see all these lazy people standin up with me

[edit on 4-6-2009 by whateverponcho]



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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Why is it that so many, like you, project their personal lack of foresight and failure to plan for the obviously approaching storm on all others? How is it because YOU have no plans that you think no one else does?



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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While I'm sure the lot of us have the plans and preparations for when revolution does come, might I suggest the last course of action we might take to try to ensure that government perhaps listens to our pleas before jumping headlong into a war with its own people.

For those that have now seen it mentioned:

Independence09.com

The more people we can get to sign this new Declaration of Independence, freeing us from the tyranny of the government we live under and if anything, perhaps opening the eyes of a few more lost wanderers, the better chance we will have at making some sort of progress.

That way when the time comes, we can say that we exhausted all means of peaceful protests to no avail and what is coming... was brought on by them - not us.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by whateverponcho
and how do you people suggest we revolt?

we'll all just rise up and be crushed, unless we have a real plan

and we dont.

and theres no more doubt about it
we need to do something, soon. its already way out of our control.

im down to do anythin to take my country back.



Could you explain that statement please. I've heard lots of people say that and I am quite unsure of what they mean.

If it means having your sense of morality reflected in the executive branch, well I felt this same way during the Bush Cheney era. And I'm sure that will change a term or two from now again.

Other than that, I haven't noticed any negative change in my country since 1972.

Now that's not to say that I haven't noticed economic changes... but those come and go during the life of a nation. It's to be expected IMO





i just dont see all these lazy people standin up with me



1. What lazy people?
2. If you can't stand up on your own, then doesn't that count you as one of the lazy people?



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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I've been reading some of the writings of Thomas Paine beyond the standard "Common Sense", and am struck by some of the parallels to the modern day.

Having the benefit of an education as to the results of these conditions and thoughts past, I find some of these writings to be striking. For example:

" I am thus far a Quaker, that I would gladly agree with all the world to lay aside the use of arms, and settle matter by negotiation; but unless the whole will, the matter ends, and I take up my musket and thank heaven he has put it in my power."

"Whoever considers the unprincipled enemy we have to cope with, will not hesitate to declare that nothing but arms or miracles can reduce them to reason and moderation. They have lost sight of the limits of humanity."

"The Americans, quoth this Qixote of modern days, will not fight ; therefore we will. His Lordship's plan, when analized amounts to this. These people are either too superstitiously religious or too cowardly for arms; they either cannot or dare not defend ; their property is open to any one who has the courage to attack them."

"Our enemies have mistaken our peace for cowardice, and supposing us unarmed have begun the attack."

All quotes from Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive Warfare", 1775

It appears to me, from these quotes and other writings of Paine, that the conditions and common thought, on both sides of the issues, of those times closely parallel these.

'Scuse me while I go clean my musket.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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Hey Sgt. Chas, with all due respect, you can not win a battle by sheer pissed offness, guts and a relentless attitude like back in the day. The system we are stuck in is ruthless. There are weapons and round up tactics that will quell any and all insubordinate masses. How can we stand a chance against electron beam weapons, shock wave generators, and other weapons designed to nullify a mans will to fight? You got family? You will obey. There isn't a base uncovered, a leaf unturned, a psych op not in play as we speak. It has to be done silent, anonymous, and to such a great scale as to shock and overwhelm the traitors. This means employing men of great intelligence and sophistication. Little coups and car tossing is not enough. There must be literally millions striking at one time. If we can learn anything from the middle east and their plight to restore their states to pre England occupation it is this: One man or several dying for that cause doesn't matter. Frequent little isolated acts of violence are ineffective. While their ideas are honorable and courageous, it does no good. If i lead the battle I'd start with mass prison breaks countrywide. Don't worry about the rapists and child molesters... they'll be taken care of promptly once they meet up with general poopulation, they hate those kind. Yes, I know grabbing the lowest common denominator seems out there but what they've done compared to what our leaders are going to do and have been doing to us fails in comparison. They're hatred toward the "the man" is right on par with ours. It goes without saying runners will be shot on site. I don't think that will happen once the taste of freedom has set in and the psychological impact of a force greater than their keepers has been usurped.

Ok, so much for the prison break plan... don't wana have the feds come a knockin' on my door right now. But do you see what I mean? We just can't maraud around in little factions and think we're gonna get away with it. There's nowhere to run & nowhere to hide. We must be like the rattler depicted in the don't tread on me flag, ready to strike and ready to die. The injected venom must be copious. The venom must systemically disable the threat with one strike. Most importantly the strike must hit the target in a way as to expedite it's effectiveness. If we don't, we die. At least we tried and died honorably. I'm far more afraid of what's coming down the pipeline. Britains latest scam of "got bling? Give us a ring" program is absurd. It's hard to imagine the outcome if this was implemented in the states. To what length will our "masters" reach before they become conscious to the detrimental effects of their policies? Anwer: they won't. "Only you can prevent prevent a forest fire". Remember that tagline from Smokey the bear? Oddly enough doing nothing fans the flames of our proverbial forest fire. Do you agree with me? Am i nuts? Am I willing to die for my beliefs? You bet I am! Remember our great patriots like Nathan Hale who proudly proclaimed, " I have only one regret, that I have but one life to lose for my country. He had vision. He had balls. There weren't any distractions like t.v. ipods, and all forms of portable communications. These men of grit were focused with one objective in mind. Today, my Americans we are free from the types of tyranny imposed on our Founding Fathers. This new tyranny we face is of the mind. The goal is to disassociate the mind from all that is good and righteous. The goal is to disable the hunger for knowledge, insight, and foresight. Our oppressors are armed to the teeth with psychological testing proven to be effective. One more thing... the red coats marched rank and file ready to be plucked off like ducks in a shooting gallery. It's a brave new world Chas. There must be brave new tactics.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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Interesting read coming from Russia, yet spot on. Apparently America no longer possesses the ability to self reflect and has to be enlightened by a former cold war foe. From the outside looking in, it is all to clear that we have let this country slip into darkness. Our politicians socialist agenda has a stranglehold on this once great nation. If our founding fathers could see whats going in this country today, they would turn over in their graves.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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"Could you explain that statement please. I've heard lots of people say that and I am quite unsure of what they mean".


How much splaining does the man need for you lucy?
Anything means anything. Even death. Can't you see his frustration sums it all up? Or do you need a colorful, politically correct gibberish version in order for you to get it? What the hell kinda name is hunka hunka anyway?



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by drummerroy39
Interesting read coming from Russia, yet spot on. Apparently America no longer possesses the ability to self reflect



Yep the Bush/Cheney era wiped out any ability for self reflection. We weren't asked to reflect, we were asked to go shopping and to "go get 'em... dead or alive!"

Although, this anti-intellectualism has been around as long as I can tell. It's the Roman male dominant forces in the collective psyche which perpetuates this...



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by drummerroy39
Interesting read coming from Russia, yet spot on. Apparently America no longer possesses the ability to self reflect



Yep the Bush/Cheney era wiped out any ability for self reflection. We weren't asked to reflect, we were asked to go shopping and to "go get 'em... dead or alive!"

Although, this anti-intellectualism has been around as long as I can tell. It's the Roman male dominant forces in the collective psyche which perpetuates this...


Hold on junior. Did I or did I not read your syntax correctly in prior retorts regarding "personal accountability and responsibility"? So now it's Bush and Cheney to blame. You are like water seeping lower and lower til you hit bedrock. Bobbin & weavin any argument forced to explain your rhetoric. You're father should have pulled out~John Wayne



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:17 PM
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I thought about this in the past as well, but the answer, I think can be rather obvious if one goes beyond the question of money. The way I see it, they no longer need money, they've got all the money in the world they could ever have to spend. So what else is left? Power of course! not, monetary power, but ABSOLUTE power! Power over the resources, power over the land, power over the people, all in order for what? Essentially to continue being Kings/Gods among the "inferior" people.

So... IF we are to believe that these people are crazy enough to try and pull off a stunt to depopulate the world. The only reason as to WHY, is simply to gain complete power. With 6.5 billion people in the world, it will be very hard to keep that power, as obviously there would be too many people like us, people who don't care about money or bribes, just our freedoms, and will gladly die for them.

But if they can create a scenario where over 90% of the population dies off. The remaining 10% will be simply too scared afterward to rise up against them, and will submit to these "gods" all in the hopes that they can simply continue on "living" (as slaves of course).



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:58 PM
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Not being side tracked by the inauspicious squeals of the nay saying, let me one last time try to pull this into an understandable post as I had thought I had dealt with this before.

First it will not be limited to isolated incidents, several sources within the military have commented that the Katrina weapon confiscation was a deliberate test to see how Americans would react in this situation; both those directly effected and those who were not. The next one will be their real one and it will be wide spread in as all out attempt to collect weapons as possible. Notice that these confiscations were carried out in areas largely unaffected by the hurricane with National Guard support to set an unchallenged legal precedent.

There is no question that attached to another black flag op or staged event, or just during a total collapse of our economic system, they will attempt to disarm the American people. They have trained for it, they have questioned the military as to whether or not they would obey the order to do so, and they have printed training pamphlets on how and when it is to be carried out.

The question then becomes how will we react? Will we set quietly as they go door to door collecting firearms like the Australians did? Or when they start to do so at our neighbors house, will we grab our other neighbors and resist? The National Guard will not fire on us if we do resist, but we must resist.

Firearm Confiscation



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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It had really never occurred to me that TPTB might opt to be big fish in a smaller pond. It's sort of counter-intuitive to give up power to gain power, but it makes sense if you look at it from that perspective.

When you boil down maple syrup, it gets more concentrated and makes solid sugar.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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Sarge, do you really reckon they think they've got the numbers for a wide-spread, general grab like that? I know in the neighborhood I live in now, it would be a piece of cake, with just pockets of resistance, mostly from gangstas, where they would need to concentrate force. It would be kind of like it was in New Orleans, and would probably go that way in most urban areas.

But other places I've lived, out in the countryside, they'd be spread mighty thin if they wanted to hit everyone at once with a concentration of force, and if they just concentrated heavier force on selected targets, well, there'd be neighbors boiling over the ridges, intent on 'questioning their motivations' in a mighty unfriendly manner.

If they were to hit both area types simultaneously, I just can't conceive of there being enough troopers to get the job done, and if they hit 'em one at a time, either urban or rural, there goes their element of surprise against the other area. As they say, forewarned is foreARMED.

I don't believe they can get the job done, but whether they believe that is another matter. If the reports of Kissinger's comments to the Russians are accurate, they seem to THINK they can, by September.





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