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The End of America, “Gone Without a Whimper”

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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 02:22 AM
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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 04:26 AM
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A people make a nation and if that people will not fight for its ideals and want to become some third world nightmare it will happen.

here is how powerless people are, "say I get up and stand on some road yelling out, "the rats want you inside a police state", within no time some cop will beat me, toss me in the back of some police car, and put me in some jail cell, people who see this andl be happy to see me toss inside a jail cell.

My point is it takes millions of people to stop this evil not just one guy yelling, but millions, All willing to dead for that idea of freedom, and that will never happen inside this nation state.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

Organized crime and biker gangs are the next best capable of seizing control in communities.


This is the real world, not a Mad Max movie.



The notion of patriots getting their act together and joining forces? Well how much of an infrastructure do they have in place right now?


I hear rumblings in the street that it's fairly impressive. I think I posted on that very topic recently.



When the media is knocked out, TV, Internet, cell and hardwire phones, etc - what lines of communication are ready as replacement.


I read elsewhere that that's been taken care of too, but I've not seen it with my own eyes, beyond my own personal communication setup. You'd be surprised how many ex-military communication specialists there are out there, not to mention ham operators and such.

regardless of that, I assure you war was waged for several years before the advent of the internet and cell phones. At least a couple of years. I forget exactly how long ago it was that the Romans were pestering folks with their military, and I heard rumors there were others before that.



How will gasoline be distributed? By who?


I couldn't say about that, it's not my problem. I never use the stuff.



The military is the key if the Washington-based government is out of action.

Can you be sure they will switch sides breaking their chain of command?


If they DO switch sides, and go with the government instead, it's gonna get plenty interesting. Do you have any friends or family in the military? If you do, do you really think they'd shoot YOU? If you do, you might want to re-evaluate those relationships.



Military rule has a bad track record.


Yes, it does. I don't know any military people that want the job, though. They have enough headaches already.



Be careful what you wish for.

Viva la Revolucion!


Anyone would have to be a fool, or crazy, or both, to wish for war. People get killed permanently dead, and sometimes that's people you thought quite a lot of. It's a bloody, nasty, gory, crazy-making business, completely devoid of glory. It's just blood, and mud, and going without, it's sheer boredom punctuated by absolute terror. There are people out there actually trying to KILL you in a war. For all that, sometimes it becomes a necessity, and it gets forced upon you.

But no sir, I do NOT want to be in the trenches with anyone crazy enough to wish for a war. Those folks will get you killed.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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Part of your problem is you don't understand that modern revolution has a new title description. A revolutionary fighter is a terrorist. People here in the US are complacent and avoid the tough fight. Giving up in your own life's ambition, your own morality, and the love for your brothers and sisters, simply because the cost and work needed is too great is a very sad thing. Too much sadness to allow this corrupt slave ship to continue dominating our lives while bombarding our brains with fear propaganda causing you to step back and allow yourself to be compromised..

As the government takes more of our freedoms it's only a matter of time before terrorism and bombings on US business commense from disgruntled American's. Sometimes I believe this is exactly what is hoped for by the few. They are almost building the tension for revolution and terrorism so they can lock people up, reduce the population, and create slaves from prisoners.

The tea party idea was pretty good. I'm not sure our government listens to us anymore though. Always worth trying nonviolent routes though.

( Explicit lyrics - I'm truly amazed these have not been banned from youtube)




[edit on 3-6-2009 by libertytoall]



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Good ridence to bad rubbish



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 08:06 AM
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How will gasoline be distributed? By who?


It will be distributed by jobless people at the sidewalks in plastic bottles.
And beware, after they cook plastic bottle it will shrink a little, so the volume of gasoline will also be slightly smaller than advertised.

Or, the same way liquor was distributed during prohibition times...



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 08:08 AM
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Trenchcoat trading, as it were.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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Your so right, show slike Gossip Girl which have become popular with the youth of Western countries in general, not just America, is an example of shows focussing on being selfish and sexualised rather then caring for others, the sad thing is teens are believing because of shows like Americas next Top Model that this is the way to be, which is false.

I will however challenge what you say about Stalin, Stalin commited the purges and while he did bring Russia out of a 100 or so years behind the rets of the world phase he did kill first or second hand 17 million of his own people. I will not say however he was a totally bad person, he did do some brilliant things for Russia and fought against the NWO, although when I think about it fear of Russia in the COld War inevitably led to the joing to the UN of capitilist countries, while Stalin fought against the NWO his image in the West as a Tyrant may have strenghened its hold over the Western World.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by Hazelnut
reply to post by SGTChas
 


And I applaud you for your efforts SgtChas. I feel inadequate and powerless. I am without support. I have no group nor affiliation. I am only an idea person. I wouldn't know where to begin.

I should have thought things out a little further!!! I apologize for hypothesizing when I should not.

Your post is serious and the situation is the same. Your efforts are appreciated even though I don't know you.


Now multiply this time an un-Godly amount of times and you have the average American. Many of us complain and sound like we are full of fire just as you did in your previous post until it comes to action.

And because of that you have the state of America.

We all (me included) need to get rid of this "easy thing",meaning we want out hops and wishes to come into existence just by hoping and it's not going to happen.

We have problems in America and the vibe I'm getting is that Russia has no political turmoil. If we want to fix America we have to get back to the old ways but that won't happen because everybody has their own agenda.

Here is a list of all the political parties in America:
en.wikipedia.org...

And everyone thinks the other party are sheep just because they don't attune to their view.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Yes that was a hard post to write. It still bothers me. I don't know what to do. I'm alone except for the internet which is the same thing really.

I would love to start a movement, lead it and even die proudly for doing so if necessary. I can't do it alone. And alone is what I am. I don't even have the support of my closest ally. Why should I, a loner speak out when doing so would make me a marked woman with nothing but reprisal as payment? Who's going to listen to me? No one. I have no clout, no authority, no backup and most important nowhere near enough understanding of the law.

I'm a frustrated veteran whose entire life could be twisted to use against me should I step into the limelight offering to lead a group against the political/governmental authority that the rest of the US granted full power to.

I joined a Ron Paul support group last year. It was a joke, a wasted effort and got me (and him) nowhere. So, tell me where are people like me. It is frustrating. Like a chinese finger puzzle.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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I am impressed by the honesty of your situation. The main problem I see here is you are overwhelming yourself with a near impossible task.

You cannot take on the world alone. However you are not required to take on the world. Start simple and one thing at a time...

If you do not have a good grasp of the law, well go research and read. (I spend several hours a day reading and researching anything and everything I can absorb)

If the Ron Paul support group is a joke, then start making the necessary steps to make it a viable and influential force. Again that one task alone will need many steps to get it there.

We all have skeletons in the closet as you are only as human as the rest of us and are here to learn the lessons we need to so do not fear your own past. Embrace it and if they use it against you, be strong about it... as in "Ya I did that and I'm a better person for it now. So what?"

Where do you live? Have you been to the local gun range?

The truth is you might have to go at it alone. For the most part I do and quite honestly that helps me since there is no one to hold me back. I talk with people all over the country who are silently preparing and are aware of what is happening. There lies the key...

I am alone now and I am not hindered by anyone or anything... however should the point of no return be passed I am very secure in the knowledge my lonliness in this regard will immediately be eliminated. Outnumbered, most likely. Alone? No way.

Above all always remember you are not powerless, at the very least to me you are hope.

It is always reassuring to know there one more person out there awake and knows what is going on.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by dooper
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Numbers mean nothing.

And I mean NOTHING.

All of history is full of event after event where a significantly smaller number defeated significantly larger and more powerful forces.

Hundreds of events. Hundreds of struggles.

Have you ever just gone to the Congressional Medal of Honor website and read some of the citations?

You'll start to get an idea of what a man alone can do.

Our own rag-tag force defeated the mighty British army, the best of its day.

Even the mighty Alexander had an army one fifth the size of his opponent. Read the Civil War by Caesar. Read of Rourke's Drift. Read of the Rangers in Somalia.

Never assume numbers mean a damned thing. They don't.

Numbers in fact are very frequently a detriment.

The dedicated few with nothing left to lose are the most feared on earth.

For reason.


Alexander the great: Perfected phalanx tactics vs. persian cavallery. The fact that a long pointy stick in a hedge formation is very effective against an enemy on a horse was rediscovered in the 15th century when cheap pikeniere made the higly trained and expensive knights obsolete.

The "rag tag force" employed guerillia tactics vs an enemy who played a lot "by the book", the then current book that is, wich said, stand on a field, shoot at each other until one side says "Ok, you won"
While guerillia tactics are very effective to this day they require a "hinterland" to withdraw too.

So unfortunately your examples for "numbers don't mean a thing" have nothing to do with numbers, but superiour tactics or technology respectively.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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You must not be from the US, or perhaps live in an urban area.

Out here in the "hinterlands"... There's plenty of room to shoot and scoot.

Numbers don't mean squat.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by libertytoall
Part of your problem is you don't understand that modern revolution has a new title description. A revolutionary fighter is a terrorist.



Of course they are.

A Revolution is one in which those which are seen to be morally wrong gain legitimacy through firepower.

There is no abstract legitimacy given to terrorists unless they have won. Only then are they referred to as Revolutionary in a legitimizing sense.





People here in the US are complacent and avoid the tough fight.




Could you give an example of this? Everyone I know is fighting very tough fights right now.




Giving up in your own life's ambition, your own morality, and the love for your brothers and sisters, simply because the cost and work needed is too great is a very sad thing.



That indeed sounds like a sad thing... I'm sure glad I haven't seen anything like this.




Too much sadness to allow this corrupt slave ship to continue dominating our lives while bombarding our brains with fear propaganda causing you to step back and allow yourself to be compromised..



Well I believe in natural selection. If people can't turn off the TV, well then who's fault is that? What's the alternative? Censorship?




As the government takes more of our freedoms it's only a matter of time before terrorism and bombings on US business commense from disgruntled American's.



What freedoms has your gov taken from you recently? I hear a lot about this, but I am still exercising the same rights I was 20 years ago... Granted there are some things which are considered illegal that I am for legalizing, but I've never had those rights before... so I really can't complain.

Could you give specifics about what you are complaining about?




Sometimes I believe this is exactly what is hoped for by the few. They are almost building the tension for revolution and terrorism so they can lock people up, reduce the population, and create slaves from prisoners.



See that's what doesn't make any sense to me. We are ALREADY slaves to the few. Reducing the population just reduces the amount of consumers, which would be anti-thetical to the financial slave ship we have been on for years now.

The few love the status quo... they don't want radical change...

I think your out on a limb here...





The tea party idea was pretty good. I'm not sure our government listens to us anymore though. Always worth trying nonviolent routes though.



The tea party would have been a good idea if were based on some sort of correct analogy. The organizers evidently forgot to read their history books on what the tea party was all about.

I admit though it was a great republican rally, and something the party needed to generate some unity. However, I look at it the same way that Bush/Cheney looks at any rally of anti-war protesters.... "yeah and?"



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Kombatt98
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and tell me how this apathy came into USA ?

Some of it came here via the mind numbing effects of the TV.

The whole "This is your brain on the box" from one of the
batman movies ironically enough.

I noticed that after several months of not watching TV,
and spending time reading, and doing other things I felt
more thoughtful and observant of my surroundings.

A feeling of hopelessness is also gripping the nation where ppl
feel like there is no hope, and they are pretty much screwed.

Add them together and apathy is a likely byproduct.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by Kombatt98
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and tell me how this apathy came into USA ?

Some of it came here via the mind numbing effects of the TV.

The whole "This is your brain on the box" from one of the
batman movies ironically enough.

I noticed that after several months of not watching TV,
and spending time reading, and doing other things I felt
more thoughtful and observant of my surroundings.

A feeling of hopelessness is also gripping the nation where ppl
feel like there is no hope, and they are pretty much screwed.

Add them together and apathy is a likely byproduct.



Yep... it's the effect of moving from a passive 2-d world to an interactive 3-d world.

AKA Mindfulness.

It does wonders for the mind.... Primarily it removes irrational fears as well...



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech


[and tell me how this apathy came into USA ?]

Some of it came here via the mind numbing effects of the TV.

The whole "This is your brain on the box" from one of the
batman movies ironically enough.

I noticed that after several months of not watching TV,
and spending time reading, and doing other things I felt
more thoughtful and observant of my surroundings.


From someone who hasn't watched TV in over a decade I can confirm this.

Programmed passivity punctuated by frustrated bouts of anger has become the American character.

In other parts of the world people still walk, meet, discuss, read books. They don't all spend their valuable free time jumping for one form of entertainment to another.

There is always expressed concern for people's will and their awareness of reality being taken away by various forces. But the people have handed these things over willingly in exchange for distraction.

It's a hard drug.

A good first start on the road to recovery: throw out your TV sets.


Mike



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Yep... it's the effect of moving from a passive 2-d world to an interactive 3-d world.

AKA Mindfulness.

It does wonders for the mind.... Primarily it removes irrational fears as well...


Did you actually read and comprehend the intent of the post? Of course not... In true progressive fashion, you have twisted the meaning to suit your own agenda. You've continued to troll and twist the words of patriots with your statist venom spouting cohorts. I'd ignore you, but I find it is very useful to study my enemies carefully.

I'd "foe" you, but I lack the required respect for your opinion.

One thing I noticed about progressives... They are usually egotistical to a fault...



Not so smart after all, huh?

Snarky? Yes.

Smart? Not so much.



[edit on 3/6/09 by cbianchi513]



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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Debunkey, no sir. You are most incorrect. I urge you to study more.

It was not a matter of the Macedonian sarissa phalanx against the Persian cavalry. It was not a matter of the Persian cavalry's inability to pierce the sarissa phalanx.

You don't understand what Alexander did with his forces. His phalanx was the anchor, usually outnumbered. This held the enemy's attention, as was designed.

Alexander's secret was a combination of multiple deceptions, multiple threats in sequence and bundles, causing the enemy to react, enabling him to take advantage of superior speed and only then focus his power on a single point of attack.

The other item that you miss is that Alexander's magic was performed with his own cavalry, of which Alexander personally led, first at age fifteen against the Sacred Band.

Alexander was a master of show and hide, with multiple diversions.

You then jumped about fifteen centuries. The end of the knight was not the pike, but the firearm.

Your suggestion that these examples I gave were guerrillas is true in some instances, and not true in others.

Real quick. Study Roark's Drift. Not a guerilla among the Brits.

You're also wrong about technology being a deciding factor. That attitude is exactly why we in the US haven't won the first damned war since 1945 - dumbasses relying on technology. Oh, technology helps - only after you understand the basics. Which we don't.

For every advancement in technology, a tactic is derived to diminish or circumvent that advantage.

Given ten days in advance to prepare, ten men, and adequate supplies, I can destroy a division trying to enter and control a town. Within three days of their approach, they would become combat ineffective.

It's true. And it's not bragging if it's true.

Superior tactics? Now you're getting close.

Your force composition determines your tactical options. Your size limits your speed and tactical flexibility. Your weapons mix dictates you tactical approach. You logistical requirements mandate your strategic approach. Ingress and egress requirements will increase with size, and will be accomplished along easily anticipated lines of approach.

Give me ten good men, and you can keep your high tech Division.

For a few days.

Maybe even a week.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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Great! Did you catch the classic fain during the opening of Desert Storm? The Marines pushed in south until they ran into forward elements, engaged somewhat and then took off in retreat. This so excited the Iraqis that they advanced in mass stretching themselfs along miles of open road chasing the Marines At a certain point the Marine tank units turned and offered stiff resistance. This sudden stop left the entire stretched out Iraqi tank units stalled at which time the army struck them in the flank all along the western length. The Marines even blew up some of their own tanks along the retreat so that the advancing Iraqis would think that a positive action had accrued and thus pressed on into the trap. It was so elementary and 101.
Mean while the main Marine force was full bore heading north along the east toward the city. The panic all this caused led to a total breakdown and mass fleeing of the Iraqi army in Kuwait. This resulted in the "highway of death" in the north as air power was brought into the carnage.









 
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