This is the most scariest illuminati document i ever read...

This is very, very, very interesting...

Now, the ECS contains the secret of telepathy, as I've said, as well as how to harness ZPE and create a limitless energy-commodity, as well as accessing a natural techology for the storage of information, similar to how we depend on computers today.

This description reminds me of the new movie Avatar, so I instinctively want to know more now.

So could this Atlantean democratic civilization be considered the same as the Vedic? It was my understanding that the Vedic civilization(or at least the prime of it) operated by a sort of 'round table' of spiritual leaders.

Are you familiar with this guy?: Benjamin Creme

And I noticed you mentioned psychic vampirism, and also the reptilian part of the brain in the document. Is this why vampires are 'coming back into fashion'? Are we trying to be told something by someone, or is it just more of a reflection of the collective consciousness - and growing awareness? What of the theory of Icke and others of 'Reptilian shape shifters'?

How do you feel/what do you think about current blockbuster movies, and the similar themes in them to what you have proposed? Interesting to say the least if you ask me, I have my own suspicions.

So many interesting things in there I'm just kind of flabbergasted, and tired.

Thanks for stopping in to ATS by the way.

Kudos to OP for bringing this to my attention, whatever it means. Sure is interesting.

Originally posted by beebs
could this Atlantean democratic civilization be considered the same as the Vedic?

The Vedic system was very different from the form of Atlantean Democracy. In point of fact, there can be no real proof if Atlantean Democracy was ever truly practised, even in Atlantis. It has been preserved, since the time of the Mesopatmain flood, as the "sacred science" of the lost utopia, however it may have never been perfected even there.

The Vedic system invented castes, or classes, of society. Atlantean Democracy repudiates this structure. We identify only two existing classes of people: citizen-initiates, and non-psychic money-slaves. Within the POD "bund" system there are 5 equal orders that operate as the "political parties" of the Atlantean government. However these political parties are distinguished by their idealogoical roles, and not by economic status.

Originally posted by beebs
Are you familiar with this guy?: Benjamin Creme

Yes I am. The POD study all possible works on math, magic, metaphysics and mysticism we can. This includes those of the modern "Ascended Masters" school of latter-day Theosophy. Although there remain a few differences of opinion among our members, I personally associate this group with our enemies the neo-Sethians. Others among us see more value in the "New Age" movement than I do, however.

Originally posted by beebs
And I noticed you mentioned psychic vampirism, and also the reptilian part of the brain in the document.

I'd like it if you could quote the mention of the hind-brain from the document for me. I mention that topic from time to time, but can't recall the context it was in there just now. I will explain more then.

Psychic vampirism, as we in the Order of Death all know too well, is a very real and VERY prevalent thought-crime currently being commited across the whole of planet earth. The greatest psychic-vampires alive at this time are David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Henry Kravitz, etc. who deprive the people of their rightful share of liquid financial assets in order to dumb them down to their true mental potential.

Originally posted by beebs
What of the theory of Icke and others of 'Reptilian shape shifters'?

The "reptilian shape-shifters" and the "neo-Sethians" are one and the same. The POD identify this group by their religious-philosophy, and not by their metaphysical mutations. Hence, when we say "neo-Sethians," we are referring to the group who plot the destruction of earth by the title of their philosophy: "neo-Sethianism." Seth's second-coming was heralded 2000 years ago, and so "neo-Sethianism" heralds the "second-coming" of Jesus. Thus, another name for "neo-Sethians" would be "second-comingist Christians." However we in the POD prefer the term "neo-Sethians."

The "neo-Sethians" are often confused for "reptilian shape-shifters" due to the mutation that causes the physical dis-ability of dimensional-slipping, or "shape-shifting." Many of the upper-most elites in control of politics and economics suffer from this rare disability from having seen, or been exposed to contact with, time-travel technology. However others manifest this mutation naturally. However, there are many forms of "aliens," or time-travellers, living amongst us, and shape-shifters are only one. The neo-Sethians who do shape-shift, however, always manifest as reptilian.

So far as I can explain it, the "neo-Sethians" shape-shift reptilian not because this is their primary genetic trait (anymoreso than anybody else's, even birds), but because, given a long enough time-span, each of us alive now will have evolved into a different form of "animal" faction. The reptilians of the future are the "neo-Sethians" of today.

PEACE.
- Jon

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Originally posted by beebs
Is this why vampires are 'coming back into fashion'? Are we trying to be told something by someone, or is it just more of a reflection of the collective consciousness - and growing awareness?

Art is not a reflection of life, it's our interior attempt to interpret the exterior world. Life is not a reflection of art, unless we obey such agit-prop slogans mindlessly. However, if you want my movie review of films I'm planning to never even watch, I can only offer you the advice: you do not want me to start just making up stuff. That is just a big waste of my time.

Originally posted by beebs
How do you feel/what do you think about current blockbuster movies, and the similar themes in them to what you have proposed?

I really don't follow current blockbuster movies, so if they have any similar themes to anything I've proposed I am unaware of this. Thanks for the news.

As I say, though, if you want my movie-review of movies I haven't seen, and probably never will, then I will give "Avatar" 2 out of 5 stars, and "Twilight 2" I will give 1 star. The last movie I saw in the theatre was 2012, and it reminded me why I stopped going to see movies in the theatre to begin with. No stars.

However, the official POD take on the movie-industry in Hollywood is something worth commenting on: Hollywood as in image factory must compromise between "populist" socio-economic agendas in the US capitol, and what they can sell to their production company owners and accountants in New York. Only two independent movies have broken that mold that I am aware of. Clerks and the Blair Witch Project both shot for under 100,000 dollars, and both raked in millions upon millions at the box office. The content of these "outsider" takes on reality should be more important than the big-budget propaganda fictions like "Birth of a Nation," "Triumph of the Will," "Fiddler on the Roof," or "Avatar."

Remember, fascism disguised as socialism is what won Hitler the vice-Chancellorship.

PEACE.
- Jon

No, im sorry it just would'nt work. You would still have to convince people of many other faiths to agree to fall within the lemurian church for it to work.

Otherwise why should they listen to what you say. Its been interesting chatting with you and good luck in your endevours.

I would tend to agree with you about most movies, however Avatar seems to have taken a step in the right direction. Basically it is about corporate policy ruining the world and the native americans, and it has some buddhist-type symbolism about nature and how everything is sacred.

Movies like this and Transformers, and Stargate, and many other 'sci-fi' flicks have come very close to portraying the exact things you are talking about... it makes me wonder why they are allowed to be made if things are so controlled? Games like Assassins Creed, which is geared toward a 2012 plot and secret societies in modern day, is this game just NWO propaganda? Are the elites engineering the 2012 scene in your opinion, or perhaps just trying to take advantage and spin it their own way? It is very hard for me to imagine them coming up with so many things from ancient times to try and fake this whole thing.

And also, is NASA just a 2012 propagandist in your view?

Solar System Passing Through Highly Magnetised Interstellar Cloud

You mentioned Theosophy, which I came across a while back after seeing Zeitgeist for the first time. So was Blavatsky more or less correct when it comes to the symbolism in religion and the history of the earth, according to your philosophy?

Are you also aware of the similarity of what you have proposed to people like David Wilcock, and the crew at Project Camelot and their 'whistleblowers'? You especially remind me of them when you talk about time-travel technology of the elites.

Originally posted by beebs
Are the elites engineering the 2012 scene in your opinion, or perhaps just trying to take advantage and spin it their own way?

Yes.

Originally posted by beebs
And also, is NASA just a 2012 propagandist in your view?

Perhaps you have seen NASA's video "debunking" the 2012 phenomenon?
www.youtube.com...

Or perhaps you've seen my own video on "Apophis in 2012"?
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by beebs
was Blavatsky more or less correct when it comes to the symbolism in religion and the history of the earth, according to your philosophy?

No.

Originally posted by beebs
Are you also aware of the similarity of what you have proposed to people like David Wilcock, and the crew at Project Camelot and their 'whistleblowers'?

No.

For all who are interested, I have just created a new POD site on Ning.com.
pythagoreanorderofdeath.ning.com...
Please Enjoy!
PEACE!
- Jon

[edit on 25-12-2009 by benpadiah]

This is a VERY interested document with loads of information pertaining to physics, telepathy, mind control, zodiac, intergalatic travel, and so much more. I suggest anyone who is interested in these subjects to give this a thorough read.

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Hi benpadiah!

You mention a certain sect wanting to manifest a world-ending scenario. How would this be accomplished? Is this accomplished by getting most people to believe such a thing is happening? In other words, would they try to predict horrific events to get such events to manifest by having people believe in it-like the power of collective thought type of thing?

You mention our being deprived of liquid assets. Can you expound on this a little more please? Thank you!

It's a shame that Robert Anton Wilson is no longer "with us"-i would love his reaction to elite control of society whether sethians or any other group, since he brought us the Illuminati papers.What stands out in any reading of "control" is the very presence of our discussion-that web technology could be the very instrument against any control of human minds. I've never objected to control per SE but i do maintain that any "group" exercising control is doing truly an inept job of it.

Originally posted by digginapony
How would this be accomplished? Is this accomplished by getting most people to believe such a thing is happening?

Yes, they would accomplish it by inducing a mass panic and then hiding in DUMBs. Their plan, so far as I can possibly be aware of it, since I am not among their members myself, is to declare (first national and quickly global) martial law after a staged "alien" invasion on the date of December 21, 2012. Once people believe that the "Blue Beam" scenario has been initiated, they are expected to panic and be more easily rounded up onto 3-story tall car-transport trains and expedited to FEMA camps for extermination.

Originally posted by digginapony
In other words, would they try to predict horrific events to get such events to manifest by having people believe in it-like the power of collective thought type of thing?

Yes again. This is something I meditate upon alot, personally. For a while I was deeply concerned that Apophis would strike the earth in 2029. I began wondering if there weren't some way to deflect it using a satellite-probe, and eventually I realised this could be done at any time, not only in 2012, when Apophis makes its nearest approach to earth prior to 2029. That helped me stop worrying about the 2012 phenomenon, and from the contact I had with the NASA/JPL folks, I ended up realising the likelihood of Apophis itself being involved in any 2012 "Blue Beam" scenario is actually very low. Thus, even if we could simply "wish" away an asteroid on a collision course with our planet through mass-telekinesis, we cannot prevent the evil mental-manipulating money-masters among us from plotting their own end for our symbiotic home-world.

Originally posted by digginapony
You mention our being deprived of liquid assets.

Yes, definitely. The thing you have to understand before-hand, however, is that "money is power" is more than only a saying, albeit the root of all evil behind 48 lies in front. Money is energy, currency is electricity, and transactions are circuit conductors in the AI mind of civilisation itself. This is the ECS: the combined socio-cybernetic "super-organism" and the "Gaia" principle of a living mind of planet earth itself. The oldest profession is not prostitution. It is banking. The oldest trick in the book is being a pimp. But the book of that "law" is a ledger. Slavery to money is prostitution of the soul. The more focused you remain on immediate physical survival in modern material reality, the less your mind spends day-dreaming of ideal "castles in the sky." These ideals are the stuff that preserves the mind's signature EM-pattern after the death of the flesh. Studying patterns in space and time allows the mind to recognise and choose their own path relative to these patterns, even after the body is no more.

However, when I say "liquid capital," I mean a specific form of this magneto-electrical "esoteric" energy that comprises the soul's toroidal aura. Liquid capital is the specie circular that is passed about in a free market. This is contrary to savings, when a sum of financial value is set outside the free-market, and saved aside for spending at a later date. When banks, CEOs, athletes and entertainers or cult-leaders hoard money, they are actually criminally depriving the expanding population of access to that value's buying-power. In brief, "when I've got it, you don't." When we discuss most national GDP's we are discussing sums of money in the millions. When we discuss US debt, and the holdings of private Swiss banks, we are discussing dollars in the billions. However, when we consider the amount of money tied up by the economic elite, the Bilderbergers, the CFR and Trilateralists, etc. in "black budget" DOD R&D and domestic CIA "black bag" ops and "black sites" (camps), these amounts reach into the trillions of dollars per year. That is a wasteful crime.

PEACE.
- Jon

Assumptions-mechanics and endgame While i haven't read all the aforementioned sources there are certain logistics that must be assimilated-until the infra structure reaches a certain point, takeover/control would be meaningless-you still need the "grunts" to perform the menial tasks- what overwhelms me in discussions of control is the utter lack of confidence in the spiritual dimension- that which will resist over-control until death. Would someone point me in the direction where i can appreciate the details of which is discussed.

This Document is no different than Dan Brown retelling the story of the Priory of Sion via the "Pierre Plantard" incident that the general public is reluctant to know about. And as far as that Order inventing the "Logic Cube" well I must say they did not. The real inventors of the Logic cube is Pythagorean mathematics. It's called the "Lambda cube" or we could even call it Platos Cube! "Conversion of a lambda term to an equivalent combinatorial term", Ah sweet Greek logic. Surprised you're not using "Pythagorean tuning, Changing the 440 Hertz to 432 Hertz but at least you are writing & trying to do something with your spare time I suppose? You did a superb job of perverting "Pythagoreanism" btw, playing on the devalued hopes & nightmares of modern day conspiracies.

Oh yea btw the enochian system of John Dee was used for spying & protecting state secrets. And John Dee Stole the heck out of the enochian system via the employment of Edward Kelley. And to prove the point the enochian system is of fake origin it came from "Liber Juratus (Royal MS 17Axlii) or The Sworne Booke of Honorius" (The Book of Angels!) Also you see where John Dee & Edward Kelly ripped the Sigillum Dei Aemeth from & modified it straight out of that book as well. They even dashed in some persian Semiphoras and Schemhamphorash - (the 72 zodiac angels anciently defined by the Persians in Antiquity)

"Pythagoreans celebrate sunrise"



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I continue to read many opinions concerning the approach of a ONE
WORLD GOVERNMENT....I continue to sense fear. Is it the fear that the controlling "Self-determinists" attitudes of our planet would cease to exist? Those very attitudes that continue to divide our planet by race, culture, religion, class, financial status,....etc. ....etc. ....etc.

Unlike most of the civilized worlds in our local universe, the earth is not evolving as its' Creator intended. We forget that we are one of the thirty-seven planets that took part in Lucifers' Rebellion of 200,000 years ago. Our evolutionary cycle has been broken because Lucifer wanted "Self-determination" from the plan of normal evolutionar growth base on a tried-and-tested method of planetary growth. We are so, so, so arrogant to think that we are that important in the universe that we deserve to be included among the civilized worlds of Uversa. Somehow we got it in our heads that we invented the concept of Administrative Government, and that only we know how to do it the right way....."SURPRISE", government has been around for millions of years on millions of other much more civilized worlds that we could even imagine.

When we gain the courage to amalgamate our different races into one; combine our languages into one; merge our national governments into one; combine our technology into one; create one military for the protection of all from tyranny; and operate as one people......then and only then will we have evolved into true Sons of God...and experienc peace on earth and goodwill towards all men.

Let him that has ears to hear....hear; and let him that has eyes to see...see. Still trying to build a tower to heven...."HOW SAD".

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Yes, well NASA is very typical of the 'tell you one thing, and believe another' type agenda. Kind of like the other alphabet agencies that say UFO's are nonexistant and swamp gas, and then have documents discussing them in detail as 'saucers'.
Robert Hastings

And wow, you are NOT aware of David Wilcock and Project Camelot?

They pretty much echo the information you have been talking about.

Wilcock's site: Divine Cosmos

Project Camelot's site: Project Camelot

I strongly suggest checking them out, there are a lot of people in those circles that would be interested in what you are presenting.

Originally posted by Project2501
a superb job of perverting Pythagoreanism btw, playing on the devalued hopes & nightmares of modern day conspiracies.

Yes, I can see how you might think that, since I haven't discussed any of the mathematical concepts here yet, and have been too busy fending off charges of being part of problems I oppose, not the least of which is the modern "psychic conspiracy."

If you'd like a good book to read that might help you change your point of view on the POD, check out the biography of Pythagoras I wrote for the Order:
www.scribd.com...

As for the "logic cube" or dice, I haven't heard of your references, nor will I be clicking your wiki-links. The "logic cube" I invented can be best explained in my own video about it:
www.youtube.com...
It is based on the six questions of logical reasoning, a concept I explored in depth in my 2001 book, the "Formal System of Metaphysics."
www.scribd.com...

Also, as regards your denunciations of the originality of the "Enochian" system of John Dee, I fail to see how it pertains to this discussion. I would recommend this short series of videos I produced about John Dee.
www.youtube.com...

for those who doubt my own inventions' claim to authenticity due to associating me with anyone else, I'll also add a link to the page about the calendar ECS which I recombined from a dozen other systems (including that of Dr. Dee).
www.benpadiah.com...

Originally posted by beebs
And wow, you are NOT aware of David Wilcock and Project Camelot?

I'll admit I've seen a few vids online of interviews by the Project Camelot team; enough to know what obnoxious intereviewers they make. I am unaware and indifferent about their motivating agenda, and probably won't be breaking down their door trying to be interviewed any time soon. Thanks for the links though.

Also, as a side note for now, I'd like to share some UFO schematics I drew a while back. I think they might prove a bit more approachable for many of you than the governmental structures being proposed by the POD.
www.benpadiah.com...
www.scribd.com...
www.youtube.com...

PEACE.
- Jon

I'm rather curious, since Lemuria was coined in the 1800's due to the understanding of the understand of plate tectonics of the time, how does your lemuria originate?

Also, what is your opinion of L Ron Hubbard?

Just stopping by to say that I find this super interesting, and, upon having more time to read and digest this, I'll be back with my comments.
Good find.

Originally posted by RuneSpider
how does your lemuria originate?

According to the records of the POD, the epoch of Lemuria describes a long duration of time, from Aeonic spring in the north hemisphere and autumn in the south, until 12,000 years later, in N. hemisphere summer and S. hemisphere winter. We are currently in N. hemisphere autumn and S. hemisphere spring. We recognise the origins of our earliest records as from the epoch prior to that of Lemuria. During the Lemurian epoch, India was connected to Australia in the S. hemisphere and Alaska to Siberia in the North. During the Atlantean epoch, S. America and S. Africa were connected to Antarctica as well. The Lemurian epoch marked a period of coastal communities engaging in trans-oceanic trade to form a global network. The Lemurian epoch began with the fall of Atlantis, which occured due to a magnetic-pole reversal. The epoch of Lemuria ended with the flood of Mesopatamia that destroyed all exoteric records of prior history.

Originally posted by RuneSpider
Also, what is your opinion of L Ron Hubbard?

I consider L. Ron Hubbard a fraud, and any further discussion of him a waste of my time.

Thanks to all of you who have posted so far. Positive and negative feedback both.
PEACE.
- Jon

Aloha all. My apologies for not having gotten back to you sooner on some of the subtler points of inference posed by some of your posts. I'll try to address some of them now.

Originally posted by brune
until the infra structure reaches a certain point, takeover/control would be meaningless-you still need the "grunts" to perform the menial tasks- what overwhelms me in discussions of control is the utter lack of confidence in the spiritual dimension- that which will resist over-control until death. Would someone point me in the direction where i can appreciate the details of which is discussed.

Yes, brune. Please feel free to investigate the "Church of Lemuria Bank Charter" document itself, originally under discussion here last year.
www.scribd.com...
I'd posted this during the height of the scandal regarding the bank and investment firm "bail-out" bill being passed by the House, after much pork-barelling, followed by the Senate with the endorsement of both McCain and Obama. This bill was hugely unpopular among the American people, who knew it meant increased taxes. I posted this document to scribd then for the purpose of proposing an alternative method of handling global finances than the existing private "federal" banks running things now. It just so happened I was able to expend of the "spiritual dimension" of organised religion along with the banks in the same document. Please do give it a read.

Originally posted by elmco
create one military for the protection of all from tyranny

I strongly disagree on any implied, assumed or asserted need for this. In a real utopia, there would not be any need for a military of any kind. For example, a Libertarian friend of mine and I were arguing once about the issue of gun-control. He was saying that if a central nation wanted to live by Libertarian ideals, they would still need a standing military and a well-armed civilian populace to defend against invasions from surrounding countries. I argued in favour of leading by a good economic example as an alternative at the time, but the conversation triggered my line of thinking on "Atlantean Democracy." In a world where peace is a pre-existing condition, no weapons would be necessary anywhere, and thus no war would be possible. Peace perpetuates itself indefinitely. However to transition from the existent society we have now to one of global peace and a disarmed civilisation, we need not only a change in the form of our current technology into a more energy-based medium, but also a change in our political structures and ways of thinking about government.

I would also like to encourage all of you to join my new network for the POD on ning. Not only can a quick visit help you become acquianted and/or more familiarised with the complete POD agenda and material documents, but if you sign up you can stay current on all the issues under consideration by the POD now. This site is brand new, so please pardon its dust. I do hope everyone reading this will check it out.

pythagoreanorderofdeath.ning.com...

PEACE!
- Jon

Aloha!
Some quick clarifications of some of the more questionable of my recent remarks.

Originally posted by benpadiah
Order of Death, that is, the "psychic conspiracy."

firstly let me clarify this definition, which derives from the Ordo Manifesto, the POD's mission statement: www.scribd.com... We in the POD define the "Order of Death" as a group of evolved psychics who use the ECS to communicate telepathically. Within this order there are "psychic conspirators," who wish to keep their own ESP secret from the masses as their means of control, and there are also "psychic revolutionaries," who desire to bring about the overnight re-awakenning of all life on earth to its full potential for psyche. According to the conspirators, such a psychic revolution is dangerous, but according to the revolutionaries, the conspirators are moreso.

Originally posted by benpadiah
certain celestial events to one another, occuring only for us now.

Meaning the so-called "Grand Cross" (of the 7 Olympic planets across from Neptune and Uranus) that occured on 5/5//2000; the sunspot cycle's final peak (in both a 1,100 and a 2,200 year long cycle) between 2001 and 2012, and the alignment of sun, earth and galactic core on 12-21-2012. This period of time, called the turn of the millennium, marked by these astronomical events was foreseen and planned for 100 years ago by the neo-Sethians in an attempt to stage a coup-de-tat within the Order of Death.

Originally posted by benpadiah
As of 2010: any "neo-Sethian" millennarian eschatologist is declared the enemy of the POD. Thus, from our "Pythagorean" point of view, the "neo-Sethians" of today include anyone who advocates the agenda of ending the world.

This obviously does not include those who identify this otherwise invisible threat in order to oppose it. For example, someone who has never seen a "reptilian shape-shifter" can still be led by rehttoric to agree to believe in, even if they cannot be made to physically see, the idea that second-coming Christians are plotting to blow up the world. The result, however, is the same: the neo-Sethian philosophy of bringing about the Apocalypse and the reptilian shape-shifters who believe in it can then be easily identified. Since they are otherwise normal people in appearance, the ability to identify them is considered a psychic gift by the members of the Order.

Originally posted by benpadiah
The "Church" of Lemuria is a "bank" for the collection and distribution of this new form of "free energy," which will replace money, technology, as well as terrestrial vehicles.

In short, the Church of Lemuria is meant to administer the ECS. The ECS is, as I have described elsewhere, a means of harnessing the gravity-well of earth to serve as an electromagnetic turbine to fuel terrestrial beings' mental-energies and allow us to project our auras off-world by manifesting UFO's with our minds.